Non type rated easyjet recruitment?
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Captthunder- Sorry for the confusion its probably my dutch english
But I am offered a CTC contract with LGW as base. I had Paris as second actually.
It was only not making much sense to me that after the first year you will become a SO. Or do they take into account your flight hours and you can become FO after the first 12 months?
I am confused.
They were not that clear in our assessment day or did I not pay attention enough hahaha.
I will be starting TR in feb and Easy in April 14.
Those hourly rates that Easy showed in their presentation are actually also not correct. They are lower the max rate is 52,-
The reason for that is because the social securities are already paid. Which was different with the old contract where you had to register yourself as a business.
That was the explaination CTC gave me
A little more confusion in the mix
But I am offered a CTC contract with LGW as base. I had Paris as second actually.
It was only not making much sense to me that after the first year you will become a SO. Or do they take into account your flight hours and you can become FO after the first 12 months?
I am confused.
They were not that clear in our assessment day or did I not pay attention enough hahaha.
I will be starting TR in feb and Easy in April 14.
Those hourly rates that Easy showed in their presentation are actually also not correct. They are lower the max rate is 52,-
The reason for that is because the social securities are already paid. Which was different with the old contract where you had to register yourself as a business.
That was the explaination CTC gave me
A little more confusion in the mix
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Thats £39k after tax then. Still a lot more than the £38k before tax when you are taken on as a Second Officer on a permanent contract. Just doesn't seem to make any sense.
You could tell everyone in the assessment was scared of asking any questions. No-one wanted to stand out as a trouble maker/ negative so everyone left more confused than when they turned up (everyone thought they had applied for a First Officer position only to be told they might be offered a flexi contract)
Mike - congratulations. Hope it works out well for you.
You could tell everyone in the assessment was scared of asking any questions. No-one wanted to stand out as a trouble maker/ negative so everyone left more confused than when they turned up (everyone thought they had applied for a First Officer position only to be told they might be offered a flexi contract)
Mike - congratulations. Hope it works out well for you.
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It does't make sense because the contracts that BALPA negotiated were for cadets. What the company have now done is try them out of experienced crews in the hope they get a few nibbles. When they don't get enough they'll up the offers and then we'll have a further divided workforce all on different contracts
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Just out of curiosity, since this thread is 40 pages long. What is roughly the total pay an FO makes at easy their 2nd year netto?
Also what kind of experience are guys getting in with? How many do they still plan on recruiting. Appreciate anyone taking a moment to jot down a sentence or two in regards to these questions.
Cheers !
Also what kind of experience are guys getting in with? How many do they still plan on recruiting. Appreciate anyone taking a moment to jot down a sentence or two in regards to these questions.
Cheers !
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The netto pay as FO I dont know for sure because I am not working at Easy yet. But I think its in the 51-54.000 pounds Gross range.
At my assessment day there were mainly ex Mil guys mostly TP, fighter and Heavy Jet. And 1 civilian TR'ed guy. Guys in their end thirties and fourties.
How far along they are with the assessments I dont know. I think they started in late June but have no idea how many people they invited from the thousands that applied. So I would guess they are over the halfway point.
At my assessment day there were mainly ex Mil guys mostly TP, fighter and Heavy Jet. And 1 civilian TR'ed guy. Guys in their end thirties and fourties.
How far along they are with the assessments I dont know. I think they started in late June but have no idea how many people they invited from the thousands that applied. So I would guess they are over the halfway point.
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At my assessment day there were mainly ex Mil guys mostly TP, fighter and Heavy Jet. And 1 civilian TR'ed guy. Guys in their end thirties and fourties.
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A probationary period takes the pi**. Did they, or did they not recruit for "experienced pilots"?!
Because you are experienced doesn't mean you will fit into every company culture.
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Certainly does make sense to have a 3-6 month probationary period for a permanent contract. Whether experienced or not, I think this is a reasonable practice that in a permanent contract would only be invoked if absolutely necessary.
However, I think the issue here is the cynical use of a year-long "probationary period" attached to a non-permanent, flexible contract. And allegedly having to pass another interview after that year in order to keep your job. My worry would be what happens if, after the year, you find yourself surplus to requirements without the protection of an employment contract?
Given that the application was for "First Officer", I'd say the goalposts were most definitely shifted when they decided to offer flexicrew cadet status to experienced applicants. I can't help but wonder how many will be willing to relegate themselves back to the very beginning and accept more debt (well, I don't have £20k sitting spare anyway) for the sake of future potential prospects.
However, I think the issue here is the cynical use of a year-long "probationary period" attached to a non-permanent, flexible contract. And allegedly having to pass another interview after that year in order to keep your job. My worry would be what happens if, after the year, you find yourself surplus to requirements without the protection of an employment contract?
Given that the application was for "First Officer", I'd say the goalposts were most definitely shifted when they decided to offer flexicrew cadet status to experienced applicants. I can't help but wonder how many will be willing to relegate themselves back to the very beginning and accept more debt (well, I don't have £20k sitting spare anyway) for the sake of future potential prospects.
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Only pilots with integrity need apply
Absolutely astonishing! Profits of upto £480 million for the year, meanwhile they are asking lucky new joiners to pay £20 000 for the privilege of working for them on a probationary basis This is why we left the UK
Only pilots with integrity, energy, a genuine passion for flying and a real desire to become part of a highly professional and extremely successful pilot team are successful with us.
integrity (inˈtegritē) "the quality of being honest and having strong moral principles; moral uprightness"
I wish I had applied just so I could have had the pleasure of telling them where to stick it
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Sleazy
Any Experienced pilot willing to pay 20k to join this outfit needs to get their head checked.
Seriously. It is disgusting.
Seriously. It is disgusting.
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I disagree, each person must make their mind up based on their own circumstances.
I joined easyJet nearly 10 years ago from the RAF. I had extensive experience but had to join under TRSS. This meant handing over £23 K to "share the training risk" which was, of course a load of cobblers. My salary would be reduced by £5 K a year for my 1st 5 years but I would get this back tax free as part of a deal with the inland revenue. Something about a training loan. As my salary would fall into the 40% bracket (RAF pension) this meant I would, in effect get £2K more per year than my full contract equivelant. I used my RAF gratuity so needed no loan which in effect meant the cost to me over 5 years was £13 K. If I did well and got a quick command I would qualify for a loyalty bonus after 2 years which would see me in profit on the deal. Other than Ryanair/ Jet 2 I couldn't see a quick command anywhere else and easyJet had union representation and paid more than Jet 2. I would earn significantly more than I did in the RAF and no one would be shooting at me.
So I took a punt. Got a quick command and now enjoy a salary well into 6 figures, work for a successfull company, have job security and quite a decent amount of money in shares. I see my family every day and work less, by a margin, than I did in the RAF.
There are issue's, mainly its a tad boring, but then I had my fun. I've been lucky. It worked out, it might not have and it's a fickle industry but that's true almost everywhere. I have no knowledge of the deal on offer now but, like me, people must weigh up the pro's and con's and come to a decision. It will suit some not others but its way to simplistic to berate people for making a balanced decision.
Maybe I do need my head checked, but not as a result of my decision to join easyJet.
I joined easyJet nearly 10 years ago from the RAF. I had extensive experience but had to join under TRSS. This meant handing over £23 K to "share the training risk" which was, of course a load of cobblers. My salary would be reduced by £5 K a year for my 1st 5 years but I would get this back tax free as part of a deal with the inland revenue. Something about a training loan. As my salary would fall into the 40% bracket (RAF pension) this meant I would, in effect get £2K more per year than my full contract equivelant. I used my RAF gratuity so needed no loan which in effect meant the cost to me over 5 years was £13 K. If I did well and got a quick command I would qualify for a loyalty bonus after 2 years which would see me in profit on the deal. Other than Ryanair/ Jet 2 I couldn't see a quick command anywhere else and easyJet had union representation and paid more than Jet 2. I would earn significantly more than I did in the RAF and no one would be shooting at me.
So I took a punt. Got a quick command and now enjoy a salary well into 6 figures, work for a successfull company, have job security and quite a decent amount of money in shares. I see my family every day and work less, by a margin, than I did in the RAF.
There are issue's, mainly its a tad boring, but then I had my fun. I've been lucky. It worked out, it might not have and it's a fickle industry but that's true almost everywhere. I have no knowledge of the deal on offer now but, like me, people must weigh up the pro's and con's and come to a decision. It will suit some not others but its way to simplistic to berate people for making a balanced decision.
Maybe I do need my head checked, but not as a result of my decision to join easyJet.
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Main point being, weigh up the pro's and con's for yourself and make a decision. Just as I did. You may reach a different conclusion as times have changed but sweeping generalisations don't help. Some it will suit, others it won't, but make the d based on facts.
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Thanks for that inspirational speech Ashling, and for rubbing people's noses in it. I can almost guarantee that I have more experience than you do now, and certainly did then, but I have just been offered SO on 38k a year-and I'm rated. I hope you're in BALPA and supporting all those that are now practically forced into financial ruin in order to take this so called "punt".
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The only justification being offered on this thread for what EZY are promulgating at the moment is, "Think of what might be in 10 years time?"
The problem is, this is the very thinking that is decimating the industry.
It seems to me to be a complete non sequitur, on the one hand to castigate pilots, new or otherwise, for joining these ridiculous employment/training schemes, and yet on the other hand, suggest its all going to be OK in the long run!
I just don't understand why experienced, senior pilots laud the benefits of joining EZY along these lines? Aren't they signing their own death warrant by so doing?
By encouraging pilots to join the company regardless of how **** the deal is, they merely continue to fuel the trickle/waterfall of candidates willing to accept the lowest common denominator, which must ultimately only result in the reduction in their own T&C's.
What would be the problem with experienced EZY pilots discouraging pilots from joining their airline, and thereby continuing to exert more pressure on the recruitment system to improve the deal?
Do they believe that isn't possible? Are they that fragile, that they want the PPrune audience to believe they work for a "respectable" airline? Can they not see the wood from the trees? Are they merely offering another opinion?
Any company making half a billion pounds profit this year that forces a "Future Captain" to sleep in his car, base him hundreds of miles from his family, force him to stump up a £20K bond despite his 7000hrs TT (because he's a training risk!), sign a one year probationary contract with no future guarantees of employment, is asking a lot of people regardless of whether he/she's going to make 6 figures a decade from now.
There isn't an upside to this opportunity.
The problem is, this is the very thinking that is decimating the industry.
It seems to me to be a complete non sequitur, on the one hand to castigate pilots, new or otherwise, for joining these ridiculous employment/training schemes, and yet on the other hand, suggest its all going to be OK in the long run!
I just don't understand why experienced, senior pilots laud the benefits of joining EZY along these lines? Aren't they signing their own death warrant by so doing?
By encouraging pilots to join the company regardless of how **** the deal is, they merely continue to fuel the trickle/waterfall of candidates willing to accept the lowest common denominator, which must ultimately only result in the reduction in their own T&C's.
What would be the problem with experienced EZY pilots discouraging pilots from joining their airline, and thereby continuing to exert more pressure on the recruitment system to improve the deal?
Do they believe that isn't possible? Are they that fragile, that they want the PPrune audience to believe they work for a "respectable" airline? Can they not see the wood from the trees? Are they merely offering another opinion?
Any company making half a billion pounds profit this year that forces a "Future Captain" to sleep in his car, base him hundreds of miles from his family, force him to stump up a £20K bond despite his 7000hrs TT (because he's a training risk!), sign a one year probationary contract with no future guarantees of employment, is asking a lot of people regardless of whether he/she's going to make 6 figures a decade from now.
There isn't an upside to this opportunity.