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Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)

Old 20th Oct 2016, 00:05
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OneNorwegian,


Sad isn't it, that what we thought we were joining was just a facade, behind which was yet another cynical cash machine.


"Real Norwegian" started to die when the HEL base was opened back in 2010/2011? & its final death throes started when the non Scandi 737 operations were put in the tender loving arms of NAI . . . . completely knackered as an employer, as the current shenanigans over trying to establish a CLA for Spanish bases proves.
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 00:21
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I think I might be showing my girlfriend these posts before she commits or signs on the dotted line...
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Old 20th Oct 2016, 23:50
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Excellent post OneNorwegian! Hope an eye opener for those who still believe the propaganda machine.

six-sixty
except the welcoming arms of the UK airlines. A boon for continentals but for UK pilots it's been a disaster.
Ever stopped thinking what the major cancers for European aviation are and where they come from? Low costs, contract agencies, zero hour contracts, self employment, cadet schemes paid by pilots, flexi crew, toothless unions....you name it.
Most of these originate in UK and Ireland and then spread to the Continent.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 05:39
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It does seem like the UK and Irish were at the forefront of Pay to Fly which IMHO was the start of the slippery slope. British Midland and Ryanair started it all with P2F and the others followed so now there are very few "real jobs" in our industry where the pilot is employed properly by the company he flies for and has the Ts and Cs which are associated with our industry. But they still flock in. Starry eyed and smiling but before too long they see the reality, but are €150k lighter. Sad. One Norwegian is right in his post and it should be shown to all prospective pilots who may then think again about their career choice.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 05:48
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Originally Posted by ANGRY BIRDS View Post
Hello guys! I don't know if it is the right post to write this, but I am quite new.
I have been called from Norwegian for the screening day for the Contracted First Officer B737 position.
I saw that there is a Compass Test the day of the interview? does anyone know what is about?
I also get from the email, that there is no sim assessment... and it looks weird. Does anyone can clarify this things for me? thank you very much in advance.
Compass Testing is a waste of time. Maybe relevant when a pilot is very new and just out of flying school, but that's all - not at 1500+ hours as Norwegian want. Some decent hours on a turboprop are much more of a good indicator as to ability. Also I believe their recruitment is by OSM as they will be your employer.
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Old 21st Oct 2016, 12:21
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Norwegian are now recruiting externally to fill positions at their new base in Rome Fiumicino. There was little interest internally in a contract that, currently, represents the lowest terms and conditions for pilots within the Norwegian Group.
The terms and conditions were decided unilaterally by OSM Aviation, the employer in Italy, without any consultation or collective negotiation with the pilots. This is despite the Norwegian Group's commitment to working with pilot representatives in all areas of operations.


Resource Group - Europe - B737NG Captain - J526400

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Old 21st Oct 2016, 13:09
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Originally Posted by thrush
Compass Testing is a waste of time.
It may well be, like most of these 'fancy' HR oriented assessment gizmos. However, they still need to be completed. I can't really remember what it (compass)was about, but it wasn't particularly difficult (I passed!)

These 'testing' methods are something of a lazy fix for;

-HR folks/amateurs masquerading as aviation professionals, with little knowledge of what they are actually looking for. Let's face it, you hardly want experienced & competent pilots choosing who should join
-Filtering the potentially huge application numbers, but with a poor understanding of what they might be missing (i.e. Experienced pilots who may not be so modern computer savvy)


Regarding OSM
I find them to be utterly incompetent, and arrogant with it. They'll frequently not return phone calls, screw up your salary and holiday calculations, and even screw up whether you work there or not.
They have an external payroll company who willingly ignore information or instructions from HMRC (U.K.) in an effort to do as little as possible, leaving you to resolve the mess they make.

Such a shame that Norwegian presented such a promising outlook, and then comprehensively ruined it, in the never ending chase for diminishing returns.

On the upside, they're not alone in this regard
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 10:39
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question about who is paying type rating

Dear Folks,

I got an interview offer from norweigan to assist in November or December.
I have been reading this posts, and I am quite dissapointed and surprissed about what I read.

OSM aviation gave me the dates, and also mentioned there will be NO sim assesment for me, just compass test and HR interview and so on. It did not surprised me since a friend (F.O. type rated on b737) who got hired few months ago did the same. (Captains do have to do the sim check).

So, here is my question:
I am type rated on the Embraer 190, and currently flying. So I applied for the non typed rated position for the b737. Do you really think they are gonna make me pay for the type rating insted of offering me a training bond or similar?

That would sound like a cadet programme for experienced people!?

And if yes, when are they suppose to let me know? Cause this info i got ir when reading these posts!

Thank s in advance
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 17:29
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Why you don´t ask all this questions during interview?, easy.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 17:35
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Because I wont go for the interview if I know I ll have to pay for the type rating...

Now, if someone has any helpful info, I ll be most gratefull.

Thanks
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 17:59
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You are not likely to get an answer from anyone who actually works for NA.
Not sure why !!
I would try to get the truth from some horses mouths. There are several threads on NA and the vast majority of posts on all are not complimentary at all. I am yet to see any real rebuttal from any current flight crew.
It has been stated several times on here that you pay up front for type rating but that may have been changed recently.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 18:03
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Yes, come on OSM/NA pilots. What is the truth ?
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 20:22
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One Norwegian offers a very strong post. Sounds terrible. Unfortunately, I feel like this industry is now devoid of any "caring" or implicit employee contract. What airlines are actually caring for their employees in this LCC world? It's just a business these days where the bottom line is what counts.
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 21:21
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JaxofMarlow, thank s for the info, and for answer my question.

Samca, if I ask those questions here, its cause I wount go to the interview if I know in advance that I ll have to pay2fly in case I pass the screening.

One Norweigan, very interesting post where I can see your frustation, I hope this is just temporary. Obviously, i cannot give you my opinion since I do not work in Norweigan, however I will take that opinion seriously in case I have to choose between my company and norweigan.

Thanks again folks
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Old 8th Nov 2016, 21:44
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@ onenorwegian.

The best move that I made in a long time, was to leave Norwegian.
In the end, it was the lies and dissepttion that I had difficulty dealing with.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 00:06
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Originally Posted by ANGRY BIRDS View Post
Hello guys! I don't know if it is the right post to write this, but I am quite new.
I have been called from Norwegian for the screening day for the Contracted First Officer B737 position.
I saw that there is a Compass Test the day of the interview? does anyone know what is about?
I also get from the email, that there is no sim assessment... and it looks weird. Does anyone can clarify this things for me? thank you very much in advance.
Hi dude,

I'm also attending the assesment for NTR 737FO on November 29th so send me a private and let's be in touch, I'm also flying the E190.

And I would appreciate if any folk could give some information about the Advanced Conpass Test.

If someone else is going to do the assesment in November/December send me a private so I can make a WhatsApp group to share information between us about the assesment.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 02:13
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The best move I also made was to leave. The worst move I made was going there in the first place.
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 12:16
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Originally Posted by BehindBlueEyes View Post
I'm slightly puzzled by this comment; I know someone, at this very moment, who is going through a 737 sim assessment for Norwegian. And she is one of a group who are.
This is typical Norwegian. Have not heard anything good about them. I know several guys/gals who joined as FOs in the past 12 months. Some of them had sim assessments and some did not. Some had prior commercial or instructing experience and some were zero hours cadets. No consistency in who was sim checked and who was not. Utterly bizzare! Some of those who had done a sim check even ended up on the same TR as those who had not!
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Old 9th Nov 2016, 18:03
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GF had just graduated from one of the major 3 flight training schools and was recruited by NA direct from them. Just completed TR and already allocated base from early next year.
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Old 10th Nov 2016, 14:11
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You mean recruited direct from the school, rather than direct from Norwegian when you say " and was recruited by NA direct from them " I am certain. Just to clarify that in case anyone thinks "Norwegian" are recruiting anyone.
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