It does seem like the UK and Irish were at the forefront of Pay to Fly which IMHO was the start of the slippery slope. British Midland and Ryanair started it all with P2F and the others followed so now there are very few "real jobs" in our industry where the pilot is employed properly by the company he flies for and has the Ts and Cs which are associated with our industry. But they still flock in. Starry eyed and smiling but before too long they see the reality, but are €150k lighter. Sad. One Norwegian is right in his post and it should be shown to all prospective pilots who may then think again about their career choice.