Norwegian B737 Pilot selection (Updated)
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Mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.
Originally Posted by marvelman View Post
Even, R J co-pilots, first year, now get more than $ 60,000 + $ 35,000 bonuses !
Even, R J co-pilots, first year, now get more than $ 60,000 + $ 35,000 bonuses !
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BTW I'm no BK fanboy and I'd never ever work for him.
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What I do know about you is:
- You are unable and / or unwilling to participate in a debate
- You provide no references for your 'hard facts'
- In fact, your hard facts are opinions, yours or someone elses you just reiterated
- You resort to name calling when your facts and opinions are challenged.
- You are making a rookie mistake in using a single business parameter without context to base your opinion on.
- You show that you have no clue what coporate credit ratings are normal for airlines and what default probability a rating of baa3 / BBB- actually implies
- You refer to financial analyses without providing a reference. Here is one for you: https://webapp.sebgroup.com/mbs/research.nsf/alldocsbyunid/CD0FD8856587EB75C1257F56004F564C/$FILE/NAScredit110216aqw.pdf
If this is the kind of analysis you base your opinion on, then you show that you cannot grasp the contents of such a report in full and just pick and choose whatever suits your agenda.
- You are unable and / or unwilling to participate in a debate
- You provide no references for your 'hard facts'
- In fact, your hard facts are opinions, yours or someone elses you just reiterated
- You resort to name calling when your facts and opinions are challenged.
- You are making a rookie mistake in using a single business parameter without context to base your opinion on.
- You show that you have no clue what coporate credit ratings are normal for airlines and what default probability a rating of baa3 / BBB- actually implies
- You refer to financial analyses without providing a reference. Here is one for you: https://webapp.sebgroup.com/mbs/research.nsf/alldocsbyunid/CD0FD8856587EB75C1257F56004F564C/$FILE/NAScredit110216aqw.pdf
If this is the kind of analysis you base your opinion on, then you show that you cannot grasp the contents of such a report in full and just pick and choose whatever suits your agenda.
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Nothing to debate. Indisputable Facts. This is the Reality.
The proof is in the pudding.
The stock price continues in a Daily Sharp Decline.
Today - Now 268.
From 302 --- last week.
Despite the Hype, immediately after Norwegian announced, the addition of 30 more planes this year, --- last week.
--- Last April - 379.00
In Steady Persistent Decline.
The facts are the facts.
Tip: "Follow The Money".
The Non-sustainable, preceding paramount issues here, are:
Rising Overcapacity, Rising Debt, Rising Financing Interest Rates, Rising Volatility, Rising Fuel Prices, Rising Competition, Escalating Fare Wars, and,
Underpaid / Overworked Labor Force.
I will not respond any further on this.
The proof is in the pudding.
The stock price continues in a Daily Sharp Decline.
Today - Now 268.
From 302 --- last week.
Despite the Hype, immediately after Norwegian announced, the addition of 30 more planes this year, --- last week.
--- Last April - 379.00
In Steady Persistent Decline.
The facts are the facts.
Tip: "Follow The Money".
The Non-sustainable, preceding paramount issues here, are:
Rising Overcapacity, Rising Debt, Rising Financing Interest Rates, Rising Volatility, Rising Fuel Prices, Rising Competition, Escalating Fare Wars, and,
Underpaid / Overworked Labor Force.
I will not respond any further on this.
Last edited by marvelman; 10th Jan 2017 at 12:31. Reason: -- Last April - 379.00 In Steady Persistent Decline.
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annakm:
I would like you to elaborate on the subject matter of my posts rather than invent failed excuses to divert attention from the facts. Your contributions have little to offer. While we wait for your next masterpiece, readers may consider additional concerns regarding Norwegian’s recent 737 safety event and affirmation of the fear culture working environment;
“It is of grave concern that we have noted Tomas Hesthammer, Norwegian’s flight operations manager, dismisses the incident as harmless and unnecessarily hyped up by the media”
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/innsp...n-los/66631093
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/flysi...nsand/66559079
“Despite Norwegian's assurances that the incident did not involve any risk for either passengers or crew, it is an indisputable fact that Norwegian's own skilled cabin crew on board reacted strongly to the incident and the Slovak pilots' handling of the situation. They therefore decided to refuse to fly further with the Go2Sky pilots after landing in Oslo”
“Rather than praise the cabin employees resolute action during the incident, Norwegian has publicly criticized one of the flight attendants for procedural violations”
Tomas Hesthammer was also in charge of flight operations at the time of the 787 incident in JFK. Four flight attendants were summarily dismissed even before Norwegian initiated a formal investigation. No action was taken against the Captain, despite flying the aircraft across the Atlantic illegally without the required number of crew. The Captain had previously written a letter to the DOT supporting the NAI permit application. Dagbladet news reported;
“Tomas Hesthammer claims in an email to Dagbladet that the "captain's decision to fly with five in the cabin, with 196 passengers, meets the basic requirement of a cabin crew member per 50 passengers” - apparently, Norwegian has a regulatory exemption to the requirement based on seats:
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...synet/60837640
The airline “unemployment” labor model, fear culture, punishment and reward scheme, combined with incompetent management and rapid expansion, has the potential to create additional safety events in 2017.
I would still like Marvelman and Direct Bondi to elaborate why they have such a personal issue with NAS. Ex employees?
“It is of grave concern that we have noted Tomas Hesthammer, Norwegian’s flight operations manager, dismisses the incident as harmless and unnecessarily hyped up by the media”
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/innsp...n-los/66631093
http://www.dagbladet.no/kultur/flysi...nsand/66559079
“Despite Norwegian's assurances that the incident did not involve any risk for either passengers or crew, it is an indisputable fact that Norwegian's own skilled cabin crew on board reacted strongly to the incident and the Slovak pilots' handling of the situation. They therefore decided to refuse to fly further with the Go2Sky pilots after landing in Oslo”
“Rather than praise the cabin employees resolute action during the incident, Norwegian has publicly criticized one of the flight attendants for procedural violations”
Tomas Hesthammer was also in charge of flight operations at the time of the 787 incident in JFK. Four flight attendants were summarily dismissed even before Norwegian initiated a formal investigation. No action was taken against the Captain, despite flying the aircraft across the Atlantic illegally without the required number of crew. The Captain had previously written a letter to the DOT supporting the NAI permit application. Dagbladet news reported;
“Tomas Hesthammer claims in an email to Dagbladet that the "captain's decision to fly with five in the cabin, with 196 passengers, meets the basic requirement of a cabin crew member per 50 passengers” - apparently, Norwegian has a regulatory exemption to the requirement based on seats:
http://www.dagbladet.no/nyheter/norw...synet/60837640
The airline “unemployment” labor model, fear culture, punishment and reward scheme, combined with incompetent management and rapid expansion, has the potential to create additional safety events in 2017.
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“It is of grave concern that we have noted Tomas Hesthammer, Norwegian’s flight operations manager, dismisses the incident as harmless and unnecessarily hyped up by the media”
That will be the same TH that transmitted on an open Mic on OSL Appr demonstrating complete loss of SA whilst trying to perform a fly-past over Fornebu/central Oslo I guess, with the Deputy who once came "oh so close to a CFIT up North ", but, it is OK, they are both SkyGods now, able to command a Dreamliner without any time spent in the role of Crz Capt. . . . guess it must be all these years as fully paid up members of the "Seattle Cocktail Club" that made the difference. . . . . whatever happened to that promise to give Delivery Flights to "soon to be retiring Capts". . .Oh sorry, that was a brainfart corrected when they suddenly realised that the "Norwegian Family" had become extinct in the meantime. . . . .
That will be the same TH that transmitted on an open Mic on OSL Appr demonstrating complete loss of SA whilst trying to perform a fly-past over Fornebu/central Oslo I guess, with the Deputy who once came "oh so close to a CFIT up North ", but, it is OK, they are both SkyGods now, able to command a Dreamliner without any time spent in the role of Crz Capt. . . . guess it must be all these years as fully paid up members of the "Seattle Cocktail Club" that made the difference. . . . . whatever happened to that promise to give Delivery Flights to "soon to be retiring Capts". . .Oh sorry, that was a brainfart corrected when they suddenly realised that the "Norwegian Family" had become extinct in the meantime. . . . .
Some consider their writings a masterpiece, others would consider them a diatribe.
However, you still have avoided asking my original question. My father is particularly interested in the issues you have raised.
However, you still have avoided asking my original question. My father is particularly interested in the issues you have raised.
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annakm;
An opportunity to be "particularly interested" was presented at an earlier time. I remind you of the declaration on Norwegian's website of compliance (allegedly) with International Labor Organization, ILO, conventions:
Human Worth | Norwegian
You may both consider my latest provision of facts:
“Spanish unions threaten Norwegian Strike ” – DN News 10/1/17
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/2017/01/10/...ian-med-streik
Following the lead of Norwegian’s US based flight attendants,
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf
Spanish crews also desire a collective agreement with the parent airline, as opposed to a resource/holding/asset group, namely; Norwegian Air Resources Spain (NAR ES).
“We will not accept to negotiate with NAR ES, a staffing company, since this is not consistent with the [Spanish] labor laws, says USO representative Ernesto Inglesis”
When asked about the possible strike, Norwegian’s paid mouthpiece, Lassie Sandakerveien Nilsen told DN news;
“We have good constructive dialogue with the Spanish unions” – “Our Spanish colleagues are permanently employed in a Spanish/Norwegian company and not in the Norwegian parent company. Collective agreement is therefore made between the two Spanish parties”
Just in case some of you are still having difficulty seeing through Norwegian's smoke and mirrors, convoluted, multi jurisdictional shell game, review the EU Commission report:
http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...7949_400_3.pdf
“Norwegian’s operations are separated into a commercial airline group with the appropriate Air Operators Certificate holders (AOC holders), an asset group, a resource group and other activities”
There is no permanent employment with a Norwegian AOC airline.
Until such time as there is a Collective Labor Agreement with the airline, Norwegian may return you to your agency employer (a Norwegian asset/resource/holding group) without notice, reason or recourse. The labor model is effectively an airline “unemployment” scheme, and with it, Norwegian is leading the race to the bottom by undermining labor standards, labor rights and labor principles.
annakm; to avoid any confusion, on your part, I am not intimidated in the slightest. Unlike a previous victim of the Norwegian regime, I am not a homeless, penniless, single mother:
"Feel exposed to witch hunt from Kjos"
Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - Dagbladet
An opportunity to be "particularly interested" was presented at an earlier time. I remind you of the declaration on Norwegian's website of compliance (allegedly) with International Labor Organization, ILO, conventions:
Human Worth | Norwegian
You may both consider my latest provision of facts:
“Spanish unions threaten Norwegian Strike ” – DN News 10/1/17
http://www.dn.no/nyheter/2017/01/10/...ian-med-streik
Following the lead of Norwegian’s US based flight attendants,
https://storage.googleapis.com/dakot...NMB-No.-21.pdf
Spanish crews also desire a collective agreement with the parent airline, as opposed to a resource/holding/asset group, namely; Norwegian Air Resources Spain (NAR ES).
“We will not accept to negotiate with NAR ES, a staffing company, since this is not consistent with the [Spanish] labor laws, says USO representative Ernesto Inglesis”
When asked about the possible strike, Norwegian’s paid mouthpiece, Lassie Sandakerveien Nilsen told DN news;
“We have good constructive dialogue with the Spanish unions” – “Our Spanish colleagues are permanently employed in a Spanish/Norwegian company and not in the Norwegian parent company. Collective agreement is therefore made between the two Spanish parties”
Just in case some of you are still having difficulty seeing through Norwegian's smoke and mirrors, convoluted, multi jurisdictional shell game, review the EU Commission report:
http://ec.europa.eu/competition/merg...7949_400_3.pdf
“Norwegian’s operations are separated into a commercial airline group with the appropriate Air Operators Certificate holders (AOC holders), an asset group, a resource group and other activities”
There is no permanent employment with a Norwegian AOC airline.
Until such time as there is a Collective Labor Agreement with the airline, Norwegian may return you to your agency employer (a Norwegian asset/resource/holding group) without notice, reason or recourse. The labor model is effectively an airline “unemployment” scheme, and with it, Norwegian is leading the race to the bottom by undermining labor standards, labor rights and labor principles.
annakm; to avoid any confusion, on your part, I am not intimidated in the slightest. Unlike a previous victim of the Norwegian regime, I am not a homeless, penniless, single mother:
"Feel exposed to witch hunt from Kjos"
Føler seg utsatt for heksejakt fra Kjos etter Norwegian-krangel - Dagbladet
I'm very happy for ou that you're not intimidated, why should you be? Strange reply.
My whole family are very interested in aviation, particularly Norwegian, which we follow with interest; that's why your posts have caught my attention. I was genuinely fascinated with your strength of feeling about the company and whether this was a result of a personal grievance or mistreatment. I'm still no clearer, shame, because who knows, I may have been in total agreement with you.
Guess I'll have to go back into my cave and continue working on my masterpiece.
My whole family are very interested in aviation, particularly Norwegian, which we follow with interest; that's why your posts have caught my attention. I was genuinely fascinated with your strength of feeling about the company and whether this was a result of a personal grievance or mistreatment. I'm still no clearer, shame, because who knows, I may have been in total agreement with you.
Guess I'll have to go back into my cave and continue working on my masterpiece.
Er, I'm not Bjorn Kjos's daughter!?! And I've never personally been involved with pilot planning so I'm afraid I can't help there. Sorry.. Not all scandinavians are related to BK!
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Maybe some US legacy/regional/cargo riders can help me here;
Norwegian(OSM really) wanted me as DEC for their FLL base but I kindly declined, not willing to cut my benefits into more than half and still having to commute/unreliable roster(I live in LA, no not the state
)
Really looking for a job/career with a US legacy/cargo, maybe regional,but don't how realistic this is. Most important is to cut my commute to have a happier and healthier life. Starting right seat no problem but a too big a pay cut is an issue(keep my American wife/kids happy).
I am a European citizen and a Green Card holder(eligible for US citizenship). Have EASA and FAA ATPL. Current as a cap on a Boeing widebody for a European major.14k total time, most widebody jets and 6k+ cap widebody(Boeing and AB).Getting close to 'the" 50 years young.
I am pretty new to the US pilot job market so appreciate some good input!
Norwegian(OSM really) wanted me as DEC for their FLL base but I kindly declined, not willing to cut my benefits into more than half and still having to commute/unreliable roster(I live in LA, no not the state
)Really looking for a job/career with a US legacy/cargo, maybe regional,but don't how realistic this is. Most important is to cut my commute to have a happier and healthier life. Starting right seat no problem but a too big a pay cut is an issue(keep my American wife/kids happy).
I am a European citizen and a Green Card holder(eligible for US citizenship). Have EASA and FAA ATPL. Current as a cap on a Boeing widebody for a European major.14k total time, most widebody jets and 6k+ cap widebody(Boeing and AB).Getting close to 'the" 50 years young.
I am pretty new to the US pilot job market so appreciate some good input!
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Hey guys,
I would like to ask if anyone has recently been through the assessment for either the self sponsorship type rating course or the direct entry FO.
My question is this, I have completed the online test but I want to know if you need to do these tests again when brought forward for interview and or sim check.
Thanks
I would like to ask if anyone has recently been through the assessment for either the self sponsorship type rating course or the direct entry FO.
My question is this, I have completed the online test but I want to know if you need to do these tests again when brought forward for interview and or sim check.
Thanks
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LPA around €7000, FCO I would imagine a bit less, as the contract "offered" (which pretty much no-one wanted hence the struggle to crew the base ) was inferior to Spanish bases, and, I am given to understand, Italian taxes will be higher than Spanish.
