Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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I am a RYR pilot
I like many things about my job
I dislike many things about my job, and I think many could be fixed with little effort and little money.
I also have significant commercial experience prior to flying, in both the private and public sector.
All of the above goes to premise the next sentence:
The primary reason any decision should be taken in any company is to maximise shareholder value. That is the right, and proper, way to run any organisation. Any other views are, I am sorry to say, naive and show a lack of real-world experience.
Many of the things we crave in an airline world exist to create "shareholder value". These include; exceptional training, a just safety culture, world-class maintenance, an industry-leading roster. They do not include keeping, us, the pilots, happy, or provided with water and coffee on the flight-deck.
I like many things about my job
I dislike many things about my job, and I think many could be fixed with little effort and little money.
I also have significant commercial experience prior to flying, in both the private and public sector.
All of the above goes to premise the next sentence:
The primary reason any decision should be taken in any company is to maximise shareholder value. That is the right, and proper, way to run any organisation. Any other views are, I am sorry to say, naive and show a lack of real-world experience.
Many of the things we crave in an airline world exist to create "shareholder value". These include; exceptional training, a just safety culture, world-class maintenance, an industry-leading roster. They do not include keeping, us, the pilots, happy, or provided with water and coffee on the flight-deck.
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Am I right in saying that Ryanair pilots may have different levels of job satisfaction because about 35% are employed directly by FR, and the rest via 3rd party agencies (with different conditions?)
And whats the current percentage of FR crews that have set up mini 3 man companies via the agencies?
Thanks
And whats the current percentage of FR crews that have set up mini 3 man companies via the agencies?
Thanks
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w****ers
left a short time ago and they short changed me 4G on my last months pay. for everyone reading this that's neutral and maybe thinking of joining these shower of nackers, think long and hard if you are a guy with low hrs looking for a first job, go for it but as soon as you join start looking for a way out, FR is only good for two types of people: those who are loking to get their foot on the ladder and those who have retired from a proper airline and are financially sound everyone else is fooling themselves. I am now in pastures new it's not perfect but never was I happier to be out of a complete sesspit that was that dump FR. Oh and on a more interesting note on my TR out of 8 in total 4 ex FR 
that's rant over for today
that's rant over for today
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@stev
you're not the first person i've heard of who's been screwed on the last month's pay before leaving. i think it happens often...
what are you doing about it?
-taking them to court?
i second that. the quality of their pilots can only fall over the coming years, because there were so many people who had little choice but to go there during the 2007 - 2010 period when virtually no other hiring was taking place, many of whom are far too good for such a lousy company. RYR got the cream of the crop at that stage but now they're the ones who will leave first and ryanair will upgrade the lowest common denominator. Normally in a safety critical business like ours, one would hope to attract and retain quality people.
i don't think there will have to be a smoking hole or a major economic shift against them, this cynical way of doing business wont survive indefinitely. the industry, the regulators, the tax authorities move slowly, but they'll eventually deal with RYR and start eating away at the margins and i just don't think the company has any other tricks up its sleeve apart from extreme cost cutting and taking the p***.
you're not the first person i've heard of who's been screwed on the last month's pay before leaving. i think it happens often...
what are you doing about it?
-taking them to court?
overall I wouldn't say that I've personally seen a MASS EXODUS. I will say this though - the ones that have left are the ones that would of done well as a Capt - the good guys.
The holes in the cheese are going to line up sooner or later. Ryanair have gotten lucky on a few occasions, the occasions are starting to happen more regularly. MOL has had his warnings
Any other views are, I am sorry to say, naive and show a lack of real-world experience
You don't get this kind of problem in most other big multinational companies. Apple? Microsoft? BP? The Civil Service? It's possible to make lots of money and share the benefits amongst those who serve to create them.
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MikeH,
I was not directly accusing you of being naive, you are not;
I have worked for MS, Google, Apple, BP, Shell, and I have contracted for several parts of the UK civil service. Levels of job satisfaction are generally lower than in RYR, because although people are treated well in some respects, most of them are doing something fundamentally they do want to. At least most pilots want to fly.
There are shiny (propoganda) headline that tell the world of profit share, free tea/coffee, pinball machines and great pension schemes. These things do not make people happy.
Wally.
I was not directly accusing you of being naive, you are not;
I have worked for MS, Google, Apple, BP, Shell, and I have contracted for several parts of the UK civil service. Levels of job satisfaction are generally lower than in RYR, because although people are treated well in some respects, most of them are doing something fundamentally they do want to. At least most pilots want to fly.
There are shiny (propoganda) headline that tell the world of profit share, free tea/coffee, pinball machines and great pension schemes. These things do not make people happy.
Wally.
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"There are shiny (propoganda) headline that tell the world of profit share, free tea/coffee, pinball machines and great pension schemes. These things do not make people happy."
Wally, there's a whole world of behavioural science that would disagree with you. Try googling Herzberg.
Wally, there's a whole world of behavioural science that would disagree with you. Try googling Herzberg.
most of them are doing something fundamentally they do want to. At least most pilots want to fly
but I totally agree with you. So many of my university friends went into the City after graduation simply because it pays well and their imagination extended only as far as the entrance to the recruitment Fair. None of them had expressed an interest in that heedy world of capitalist greed when we were studying human geography or 19th Century history. And even I subsequently spent 7 years working in a job that didn't grab my enthusiasm. The upside was the good terms and conditions. I escaped that existence and now I'm doing a job I fundamentally enjoy but I get treated poorly.
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Also agree its only a matter of time before there is some action and we can reverse this horrible company ethos of staff being objects rather than assests what will you say you did when the pilots got togetheir in Ryanair to bring about a union???
Where you too afraid to join the que of pilots willing to commit to there future and profession???
No doubt the company will eventually use the shock and awe tactics and random fire pilots to shock us into retreat but i dont think it will work anymore..
BEWARE OF THE RISEN PILOTS ,THAT HAVE HARRIED AND HELD,YE THAT HAVE BULLIED AND BRIBED.
Where you too afraid to join the que of pilots willing to commit to there future and profession???
No doubt the company will eventually use the shock and awe tactics and random fire pilots to shock us into retreat but i dont think it will work anymore..
BEWARE OF THE RISEN PILOTS ,THAT HAVE HARRIED AND HELD,YE THAT HAVE BULLIED AND BRIBED.
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Ryanair warns about recruitment scam emails
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...t-scam-emails/
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“Ryanair condemns these illegal recruitment scams which prey on eager job hunters who are keen to secure a well paid career in aviation. Ryanair has contacted the authorities in the UK and Ireland to ensure that people are not duped into paying money for non-existent visas to unscrupulous scam artists.
Tee hee..
http://www.breakingtravelnews.com/ne...t-scam-emails/
Ryanair’s Stephen McNamara said:
“Ryanair condemns these illegal recruitment scams which prey on eager job hunters who are keen to secure a well paid career in aviation. Ryanair has contacted the authorities in the UK and Ireland to ensure that people are not duped into paying money for non-existent visas to unscrupulous scam artists.
Tee hee..
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I know 5 Pilot 3 CPTs and 2 FOs handed in their notice in the last week in faily large base.I have finished counting the people who are leaving at this stage.It gets more and more laughable to hear the lies of mangement on a daily basis.
Question for the apathetic person in ryanair ?
What did you do when someone bullied you in school ?Did you do anything ?
Question for the apathetic person in ryanair ?
What did you do when someone bullied you in school ?Did you do anything ?