Ryanair exodus, what is the plan?
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At my last airline, orange management came up with this great cost saving initiative to remove crew tea and coffee.
So the next months fuel bill mysteriously went up by approximately £400,000.
2 weeks later an email from the boss saying 'got the message'.
You have more power than you think.
So the next months fuel bill mysteriously went up by approximately £400,000.
2 weeks later an email from the boss saying 'got the message'.
You have more power than you think.
Least your boss at the courage to say that!
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i recently left to go to MUCH greener, or should I say, red, white and bluer pastures.
No, they didn't diddle me out of much money, got a minor shafting for a few quid. They didn't cancel my leave, simply because they were refusing to grant what was owed anyway. Then they nearly worked me to death for the last month and a half, leading me to get really quite ill.
I'm so glad I've seen the back of those
No, they didn't diddle me out of much money, got a minor shafting for a few quid. They didn't cancel my leave, simply because they were refusing to grant what was owed anyway. Then they nearly worked me to death for the last month and a half, leading me to get really quite ill.
I'm so glad I've seen the back of those
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Yep, think I just about managed to read your post 'properly', thanks. I was just pointing out that you were incorrect in your defence of Ryanair when you criticised as 'bull' the post of someone referring to leave cancellation and final pay 'adjustments'. I am on a Ryanair contract, have resigned and can confirm that the original poster was correct.
Yep, think I just about managed to read your post 'properly', thanks. I was just pointing out that you were incorrect in your defence of Ryanair when you criticised as 'bull' the post of someone referring to leave cancellation and final pay 'adjustments'. I am on a Ryanair contract, have resigned and can confirm that the original poster was correct.
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I am on a Ryanair contract, have resigned and can confirm that the original poster was correct.
So am I, so have I and I can confirm that none of what was in the original post has occured to me or my friends in my base.
We know full well that Ryanair is like 40-odd different companies depending on where you are based and what contract you are on hence the divide and conquer that this place is run on and is what prevents the "unity" that I am quite sure most of us crave (or those that are left at least). So perhaps we can just agree to disagree and in true FR fashion, some of us have had it good and easy and not been dicked around and others have. As far as I'm concerned let that be an end to it and wish the guys and girls that remain that they can eventually make the place the job it should and so easily could be.
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MOL has no reason to be proud of anything except the fact that he was smart enough to use at his best the laws in Ireland and the selfishness of the pilots...
When pilots will stop to be selfish and will start to think as a united group with the same goal THEN and only then things will be better.
When pilots will stop to be selfish and will start to think as a united group with the same goal THEN and only then things will be better.
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I have to agree with the above in that the problem is that we all have a different experience of Ryanair and, consequently, a different attitude to our treatment. Added to that, we have different expectations - a guy who has come from bankrupt airline will find less to criticise than someone else, for example.
The problem is that few of us are prepared to empathise with those of our colleagues in difficulty and even fewer are prepared to take positive action about it. If you're in a base where the sun shines and you don't get too much nonsense from the BC then why would you worry about a guy getting sacked for handing out a leaflet or other pilots being arbitrarily uprooted when a base closes. Not your problem, really. Only problem is, eventually it will be you in difficulty and then who is going to support you?
In the end, it's highly unlikely that Ryanair's opportunistic and cynical business philosophy will ever change or that a sufficient number of pilots will ever be prepared to act for a common purpose. When you get that into your head, then you either put up with the crap or leave - and my crap bucket is full.
All the best to those who choose to stay.
The problem is that few of us are prepared to empathise with those of our colleagues in difficulty and even fewer are prepared to take positive action about it. If you're in a base where the sun shines and you don't get too much nonsense from the BC then why would you worry about a guy getting sacked for handing out a leaflet or other pilots being arbitrarily uprooted when a base closes. Not your problem, really. Only problem is, eventually it will be you in difficulty and then who is going to support you?
In the end, it's highly unlikely that Ryanair's opportunistic and cynical business philosophy will ever change or that a sufficient number of pilots will ever be prepared to act for a common purpose. When you get that into your head, then you either put up with the crap or leave - and my crap bucket is full.
All the best to those who choose to stay.
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That is one of the facts; BRK pilots are in the majority and are, in theory, self-employed. Being 'sacked' does not seem an option as you are not employed. However, "services no longer required" seems to have no come-back. RYR can scatter these self-employed pilots far and wide back onto the open market, and seem to have immunity from any claims. Indeed it might be difficult for BRK pilots to claim anything against RYR, even age/sex/racial discrimination. They just "do not require your services anymore".
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REPA and IALPA:
I do not work for FR, but know very well the situation with so called "self employed" pilots.
There are NO self employed pilots in FR.
Pilots are not self-employed when working for an airline. FACT.
FR is guilty of FALSE SELF_EMPLOYMENT which is a very severe fraud in EU law.
When you are rostered by the airline, get a badge from the airline, have to wear a uniform of the airline (wether paying yourself or not for it!!!!) and get free days/holidays by the airline you are an EMPLOYEE. NOT "SELF-EMPLOYED." If these things are supplied by Brookfield, you are a Brookfield employee.
FR is very clearly illegaly taking advantage of their pilot employees. So REPA and IALPA, What ARE you going to do against this? When will you sue? This is THE MAIN reason for bad treatment by management. Sue, win and FR WILL be obliged to COMPLETELY change their attitude.
To the fired pilots: bite back with a vengeance: threat to sue for being falsely self-employed, FR have no chance. they know it and WILL take any deal.
I do not work for FR, but know very well the situation with so called "self employed" pilots.
There are NO self employed pilots in FR.
Pilots are not self-employed when working for an airline. FACT.
FR is guilty of FALSE SELF_EMPLOYMENT which is a very severe fraud in EU law.
When you are rostered by the airline, get a badge from the airline, have to wear a uniform of the airline (wether paying yourself or not for it!!!!) and get free days/holidays by the airline you are an EMPLOYEE. NOT "SELF-EMPLOYED." If these things are supplied by Brookfield, you are a Brookfield employee.
FR is very clearly illegaly taking advantage of their pilot employees. So REPA and IALPA, What ARE you going to do against this? When will you sue? This is THE MAIN reason for bad treatment by management. Sue, win and FR WILL be obliged to COMPLETELY change their attitude.
To the fired pilots: bite back with a vengeance: threat to sue for being falsely self-employed, FR have no chance. they know it and WILL take any deal.
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Damn right, there is a very penal notice period.
3 months - and if you cant provide and work the full 3 months notice you are fined 5000 euro.
Most guys end up paying,for example - you pass an interview and that company wants you to start 2 months later.Boom - easy money for Brookfield.
Any sane individual would not allow a 5000 euro fine deter them from a long term career elsewhere.Brookfield know this and take advantage.
3 months - and if you cant provide and work the full 3 months notice you are fined 5000 euro.
Most guys end up paying,for example - you pass an interview and that company wants you to start 2 months later.Boom - easy money for Brookfield.
Any sane individual would not allow a 5000 euro fine deter them from a long term career elsewhere.Brookfield know this and take advantage.
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I am sure this has been answered before, but how do Ryanair work the self employed angle? Generally, if you register yourself self employed then the responsibility will lie with you to satisfy the legal requirements for that condition.
If Ryanair allow you to work for other people during the year, and you do that, amongst other requirements that should be ok. Do Ryanair allow you to work in your month off for example, free of their control? Do they allow you to work outside of your rostered period?
If Ryanair allow you to work for other people during the year, and you do that, amongst other requirements that should be ok. Do Ryanair allow you to work in your month off for example, free of their control? Do they allow you to work outside of your rostered period?
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Let's be fair, there are no 'human rights atrocities' in FR. Do not dare compare voluntarily working for a company like Ryanair, with all of their attitude, with genocide and ethnic cleansing. Get some perspective.
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18mins from FL410 to 245ft. WTF!
Jack wtf are you talking about. The rate of decent is hardly the problem here.
41000 to 0 is 2300 feet per minute. You do an idle decent using economy speeds and you'll achieve this with NO problem......
The report (and JBauer) for some reason suggests that descending with power is a normal efficient way to descend, when clearly every airline in the world would love it to be idle all the way from top of decent until increasing slighting once in full landing configuration. Its called energy management and continuous decent approaches.....
Lets get back to topic.
41000 to 0 is 2300 feet per minute. You do an idle decent using economy speeds and you'll achieve this with NO problem......
The report (and JBauer) for some reason suggests that descending with power is a normal efficient way to descend, when clearly every airline in the world would love it to be idle all the way from top of decent until increasing slighting once in full landing configuration. Its called energy management and continuous decent approaches.....
Lets get back to topic.
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VJW even if you think it's ok to descend in this way, the investigation felt it was significant enough to question it. Typical FR, don't matter how you do it just get it on the ground! Doing 2300fpm below 1000 is definitely unstable yet these clowns continued. You clearly think it's ok to land at 300kts, you're hired!
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