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I agree this is a site for professional pilots.
However we should not restrict to pilots only, the team is far more complex than that, it includes or should include any employee in the aviation field.
We have seen media hacks and persons like al446 enter this environment seeking to obtain information and offer opinions for which they are certainly not qualified.
We do not live in a perfect world and there are many who post here who do so in such a manner as to provoke rather than advise or council.
Having spent many years in the industry, I have seen unionists who are so myopic that they would rather see the company they work for be closed down than compromise their unionist ideals. (I am all right jack syndrome)
Others are more reasonable, but i have yet in 36 years to see the main pilot union BALPA work for anything other than BA or the BALPA self interest.
More has been done by local company councils working with management than via unionism.
We have seen here the posting of a unionist (al446) and if you think that this is the type of person you wish leading you in negotiations, by all means bring in a union into whatever company you work for.
There will always be self interest union or not but for me a moderate approach has always proved more effective.
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However we should not restrict to pilots only, the team is far more complex than that, it includes or should include any employee in the aviation field.
We have seen media hacks and persons like al446 enter this environment seeking to obtain information and offer opinions for which they are certainly not qualified.
We do not live in a perfect world and there are many who post here who do so in such a manner as to provoke rather than advise or council.
Having spent many years in the industry, I have seen unionists who are so myopic that they would rather see the company they work for be closed down than compromise their unionist ideals. (I am all right jack syndrome)
Others are more reasonable, but i have yet in 36 years to see the main pilot union BALPA work for anything other than BA or the BALPA self interest.
More has been done by local company councils working with management than via unionism.
We have seen here the posting of a unionist (al446) and if you think that this is the type of person you wish leading you in negotiations, by all means bring in a union into whatever company you work for.
There will always be self interest union or not but for me a moderate approach has always proved more effective.
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Comedy Central meets Bull**** Central.
Alright Daydreamer, I'll try, if you'll permit me.
BLAPA FAILS MISERABLY..... again.
CAMPAIGN FOR RECOGNITION AT RYANAIR SINKS WITHOUT TRACE.
July 17th was to have been the date by which the "representative ballot" was concluded thus providing BLAPA with an indication of just how many Ryanair pilots want them to act at their behest. Well, July 17th has come and gone, and so too have BLAPA. In fact, so underwhelming was the response that BLAPA have made another of their trademark retreats, tail between legs, but they lack even the most rudimentary standards of decency, honesty and moral courage in declaring their abject failure for what it is in truth, preferring to rebrand it. No surprises so far.
From the latest communiqué to emerge from BLAPA Bull**** Central...
Oh really? In every way, it is ENTIRELY relevant. You are utterly useless in other airlines and would have been useless at Ryanair, just a lot wealthier. You seek to persuade intelligent, educated men and women airline pilots as to your efficacy, and yet in the next breath encourage us to ignore your conduct through every airline stained by that special BLAPA magic, as being not relevant? Hilarious! It is central to your argument. An argument you have lost…again.
That's as may be, but what IS truly stunning is the extent to which you abandoned XL in their hour of need with a "roadshow" at only one base (LGW) and then your proudest hour. Surely, an apotheosis of union efficacy in the case of XL? That's right, ladies and gentlemen, BLAPA have used some of their tiny 11% pilot protection budget on launching a class action legal case for wrongful dismissal.....from a bankrupt airline in the hands of receivers! Wow! That’ll learn ‘em.
I can see it now. BLAPA the movie, starring the puppets from Team America. Trey Parker and Matt Stone couldn't come up with a more side-splitting script than the muppets at BLAPA manage every day. But what's this? Surely there's not more of this doublespeak?
For those of you unfamiliar with BLAPA-speak, permit me to translate.
"We've screwed the pooch again, boys and girls. The majority of UK Ryanair bases have written to us saying they don't want us, even Stansted where we thought we were quids-in, have told us no thanks, and so we've got to head for the hills and regroup. Don't worry though, by saying no we realise you really mean yes, just like a horny housewife in a bad mood, and so rougher than usual handling is called for. We'll call ya, but don't forget to keep up those subscription fees. We need them now more than ever. BLAPA is you and you are BLAPA.” Yarda yarda yarda.
BLAPA Strategy items.
Good one! A strike in the middle of the greatest recession in the history of flight. Too bad the operation would march on regardless, thank to BRK. You remember BRK don’t you? The same lot of pilots that you and the Dwarf of county Wicklow dropped in the shyte with the tax authorities? Payback’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Yeah, right. You just don't understand "no", apparently.
I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were you.
But just when I thought they were getting all morose and serious again, out comes the comedy team, regular as clockwork. I just don't think they can help themselves. Clearly, a missed calling in stand up comedy.
Really? Obviously, BRK haven't read that particular TUC poll, and neither have my bank manager or accountant. Pay discrimination? Now I know you're on crack. The BRK contract is the most lucrative pilot contract on earth. If that's your idea of pay discrimination, BLAPA, bring it on.
Sorry chum, we're too busy counting our money.
From mummy and daddy, I presume? And who's your daddy? Oh that's right, I nearly forgot. Here's a little hint for those who may have forgotten.
For those without a soul, you should begin one minute and 19 seconds in. For the rest of us, enjoy it all including the gorgeousness that is Anna Netrebko.
Bye bye for now, BLAPA.
See you in three years, or when the stupid gene comes to the shallow end of the Ryanair gene pool once more.
BLAPA FAILS MISERABLY..... again.
CAMPAIGN FOR RECOGNITION AT RYANAIR SINKS WITHOUT TRACE.
July 17th was to have been the date by which the "representative ballot" was concluded thus providing BLAPA with an indication of just how many Ryanair pilots want them to act at their behest. Well, July 17th has come and gone, and so too have BLAPA. In fact, so underwhelming was the response that BLAPA have made another of their trademark retreats, tail between legs, but they lack even the most rudimentary standards of decency, honesty and moral courage in declaring their abject failure for what it is in truth, preferring to rebrand it. No surprises so far.
From the latest communiqué to emerge from BLAPA Bull**** Central...
In the last two Ryanair mock BALPA newsletters, we have been repeatedly
asked to defend our position and the various actions that we have taken
with other airlines. This question in many ways is not relevant
asked to defend our position and the various actions that we have taken
with other airlines. This question in many ways is not relevant
It is equally ridiculous to cite the demise of XL or Zoom as
being the fault of unions
being the fault of unions
I can see it now. BLAPA the movie, starring the puppets from Team America. Trey Parker and Matt Stone couldn't come up with a more side-splitting script than the muppets at BLAPA manage every day. But what's this? Surely there's not more of this doublespeak?
BALPA does not want to jeopardise the “fraught” position the company is
in and will, therefore, delay its applications to the Central Arbitration
Committee for recognition.
in and will, therefore, delay its applications to the Central Arbitration
Committee for recognition.
"We've screwed the pooch again, boys and girls. The majority of UK Ryanair bases have written to us saying they don't want us, even Stansted where we thought we were quids-in, have told us no thanks, and so we've got to head for the hills and regroup. Don't worry though, by saying no we realise you really mean yes, just like a horny housewife in a bad mood, and so rougher than usual handling is called for. We'll call ya, but don't forget to keep up those subscription fees. We need them now more than ever. BLAPA is you and you are BLAPA.” Yarda yarda yarda.
BLAPA Strategy items.
Any unnecessary disruption to rosters or a financial penalty for pilots simply demanding Dignity & Respect would be dealt with industrially
Of course, BALPA is a democratic organisation
Yeah, right. You just don't understand "no", apparently.
but our invitation to the company to talk about voluntary recognition is still intact.
But just when I thought they were getting all morose and serious again, out comes the comedy team, regular as clockwork. I just don't think they can help themselves. Clearly, a missed calling in stand up comedy.
Agency workers face pay discrimination and want more rights, according to a new TUC poll.
The TUC invite Brookfield pilots to contribute as a matter of great
importance and urgency.
importance and urgency.
The process for recognition has been temporarily suspended whilst we look for reassurance
For those without a soul, you should begin one minute and 19 seconds in. For the rest of us, enjoy it all including the gorgeousness that is Anna Netrebko.
Bye bye for now, BLAPA.
See you in three years, or when the stupid gene comes to the shallow end of the Ryanair gene pool once more.
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Quote (originally posed by Aldente)
to which the reply was :-
Perhaps, Bruce Wayne, you might like to ask the same question of The Real Slim Shady (as he has chosen rather conveniently to ignore my question) about his other half, Mrs Slim Shady (aka Abusing the Sky), who was particularly vociferous on here a few weeks back ....
are you suggesting that this thread should just be for pilots only ?
What does it say on the header at the top of the page ?
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Please don't be offended, ATS is cabin crew with Ryanair, and as the actions of muppets from BLAPA would, had they had more than a snowball's chance in Hell of getting even recognised walking through the terminal, have had serious implications for her, and her colleagues' job tenure.
The recklessness of the BLAPA application would have had no effect on our union stooge al446 or anyone not working for FR at a UK base: the collateral damage on cabin crew,engineers and ground staff would have been catastrophic and hence, they, unlike easyJet pilots and union stooges, are quite entitled to express an opinion.
The massed ranks of FR pilots have shown their solidarity with their comrades by roundly rejecting the crazy BLAPA proposal ( union speak for the cognoscenti) : see my learned friend Leo's appraisal above.
We can all now get on with our jobs and forget about BLAPA for at least another few years as commonsense has taken the day.
Please don't be offended, ATS is cabin crew with Ryanair, and as the actions of muppets from BLAPA would, had they had more than a snowball's chance in Hell of getting even recognised walking through the terminal, have had serious implications for her, and her colleagues' job tenure.
The recklessness of the BLAPA application would have had no effect on our union stooge al446 or anyone not working for FR at a UK base: the collateral damage on cabin crew,engineers and ground staff would have been catastrophic and hence, they, unlike easyJet pilots and union stooges, are quite entitled to express an opinion.
The massed ranks of FR pilots have shown their solidarity with their comrades by roundly rejecting the crazy BLAPA proposal ( union speak for the cognoscenti) : see my learned friend Leo's appraisal above.
We can all now get on with our jobs and forget about BLAPA for at least another few years as commonsense has taken the day.
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Dumb and Dumber(leo and slime).
Wel well ladies.Looks like leo and slim think that the threats,intimidation and bullying have won the day over ryanair pilots.If you believe that,then gents you are as dumb as i always knew you were.The dance is far from over,but i think you know that.
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Dim, the dildo's dildo.
Funny that it's only ever the ugly girls, Dim Sleeper, who stick around waiting for Prince Charming, long after the dance has ended.
Go home, dear. Use a cucumber. They're less trouble in the long run.
Go home, dear. Use a cucumber. They're less trouble in the long run.
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omg REPA
Do BLAPA have a sausage machine where diehards are turned out spouting the same things company to company.
I am hearing your words or similar from every company that rejects BALPA.
Cant you for once Give in Gracefully and bide your time for a couple more years, by which time the market will have changed again, and you might have a better chance at success. (As long as you exclude BRK the answer will be NOT)
Remember they (RYR pilots) have as much right to their diverse opinions as you do to yours.
But by now I am sure they are fed up of listening to this twaddle from both sides.
Get on with the job in hand, go out and fly the aeroplanes in the most professional manner possible, and let this argument rest.
Do BLAPA have a sausage machine where diehards are turned out spouting the same things company to company.
I am hearing your words or similar from every company that rejects BALPA.
Cant you for once Give in Gracefully and bide your time for a couple more years, by which time the market will have changed again, and you might have a better chance at success. (As long as you exclude BRK the answer will be NOT)
Remember they (RYR pilots) have as much right to their diverse opinions as you do to yours.
But by now I am sure they are fed up of listening to this twaddle from both sides.
Get on with the job in hand, go out and fly the aeroplanes in the most professional manner possible, and let this argument rest.
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guys when is this vote going to happen? we need this crap to disappear quickly. if they're not going to accept our in house no then let's just do this properly, because as far as i can see with balpa stalling, all it's doing is pissing off alot of fo's with 3000 hours ready for command and those wishing to relocate from the uk bases.
al446, i still don't see how this has anything to do with you. if someone sends you a private message then you can reply, delete it or ignore it. we've all got the same options in the user cp. until microsoft bring in balpa software for flightsim or balpa binoculars then i don't see why you should be commenting on them, especially on a ryanair thread. you don't work for the company so you don't know what it's like.
this thread shouldn't be for just pilots, but all those involved at ryanair so i believe mrs slim shady has a right to comment. she certainly understands what's going on. al446, you don't seem to.
al446, i still don't see how this has anything to do with you. if someone sends you a private message then you can reply, delete it or ignore it. we've all got the same options in the user cp. until microsoft bring in balpa software for flightsim or balpa binoculars then i don't see why you should be commenting on them, especially on a ryanair thread. you don't work for the company so you don't know what it's like.
this thread shouldn't be for just pilots, but all those involved at ryanair so i believe mrs slim shady has a right to comment. she certainly understands what's going on. al446, you don't seem to.
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BongleBear - Is all this Unionisation business merely cheesing you (and all the other 3000 hour co-pilots) off because you feel ready to waltz over to the left hand seat?
A little selfish and simplistic abbreviation of the past year or so don't you think?
A little selfish and simplistic abbreviation of the past year or so don't you think?
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What a good idea. Tell you what, MD...
If Ryanair receive a written undertaking from BLAPA that they will withdraw from Ryanair (where our pilots have repeatedly stated that they're not wanted) and stay withdrawn for a period of at least ten years, then you will be truly astonished at just how quickly the British snows will thaw.
We'll even celebrate our newly struck bargain by announcing 3 new Ryanair bases. Fair enough, Mucky Devil?
If Ryanair receive a written undertaking from BLAPA that they will withdraw from Ryanair (where our pilots have repeatedly stated that they're not wanted) and stay withdrawn for a period of at least ten years, then you will be truly astonished at just how quickly the British snows will thaw.
We'll even celebrate our newly struck bargain by announcing 3 new Ryanair bases. Fair enough, Mucky Devil?
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We'll even celebrate our newly struck bargain by announcing 3 new Ryanair bases. Fair enough, Mucky Devil?
Are these new bases gonna be on a 5/3 roster like the new italian bases?Or maybe it's gonna be 5/2?
Oh by the way, are the newly hired pilots gonna be on the new and 10% less paid BRK contract or maybe there is already a newer one with 20% off ready for them?
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Jesus 
Christ, Danny!
If I gave you a gold bar you'd complain it was too heavy. Once again, S L O W L Y, everyone else is firing, going under and laying off. Ryanair is expanding, hiring and promoting... Just not in the UK, thanks to BLAPA.
Since it was you who started this now extravagant thread, and since you're a relentlessly whiney twerp, why not do us all a favour a delete the entire thing?
Christ, Danny!If I gave you a gold bar you'd complain it was too heavy. Once again, S L O W L Y, everyone else is firing, going under and laying off. Ryanair is expanding, hiring and promoting... Just not in the UK, thanks to BLAPA.
Since it was you who started this now extravagant thread, and since you're a relentlessly whiney twerp, why not do us all a favour a delete the entire thing?
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leo,
I started the 3d with simple concepts and questions, then someone has made it extravagant...and that wasn't certainly me.
As I stated in the beginning english isn't my first language therefore I would kindly ask you to stick to level 4 grammar (the one in my licence) and answer clearly and concisely to my simple questions since you are obviusly in the know given the fact you said FR will open 3 new bases shortly:
1- will the roster be 5/3 or worse?
2- will the BRK contracts be the ones they are already giving away with 10% less $$$ or are there any new and even lower ones out there ready for us to sign?I'm asking about BRK contracts because there are no permanent ones available anymore, but let's say there were so which ones would they be?The ones like in CRL where the company still pays HOTAC and transport?Or those where you have to pay everything yourself?Oh and what about contributory pension like some bases have?
Simple people (like myself),simple questions, simple answer please.
I started the 3d with simple concepts and questions, then someone has made it extravagant...and that wasn't certainly me.
As I stated in the beginning english isn't my first language therefore I would kindly ask you to stick to level 4 grammar (the one in my licence) and answer clearly and concisely to my simple questions since you are obviusly in the know given the fact you said FR will open 3 new bases shortly:
1- will the roster be 5/3 or worse?
2- will the BRK contracts be the ones they are already giving away with 10% less $$$ or are there any new and even lower ones out there ready for us to sign?I'm asking about BRK contracts because there are no permanent ones available anymore, but let's say there were so which ones would they be?The ones like in CRL where the company still pays HOTAC and transport?Or those where you have to pay everything yourself?Oh and what about contributory pension like some bases have?
Simple people (like myself),simple questions, simple answer please.
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I've only got level 4 myself, old boy, but one struggles on. If the deal on offer displeases you, have you considered exercising your right to choose and seek more pleasing employment elsewhere? Should you adapt to the world, or should our world adapt to you?
Pusha da delete button.
Pusha da delete button.
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Leo,
2 replies, not 1 single answer.
Just arrogant lessons on how one should live his own lives and very short sighted and childish comments like "if you don't like it then leave".
FR management has always written in capital letters that FR pilots enjoy the best roster in the industry, well what happened to that? Why are they offering 5/3 now?
They have always said that FR pilots enjoy the best pay in the business, well why are they offering new and lower paid deals now?
2 replies, not 1 single answer.
Just arrogant lessons on how one should live his own lives and very short sighted and childish comments like "if you don't like it then leave".
FR management has always written in capital letters that FR pilots enjoy the best roster in the industry, well what happened to that? Why are they offering 5/3 now?
They have always said that FR pilots enjoy the best pay in the business, well why are they offering new and lower paid deals now?
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"If Ryanair receive a written undertaking from BLAPA that they will withdraw from Ryanair "
The insane really seem to have taken over the asylum at ryanair.It ain't going to happen humpty and you know why.
Insane in the membrane,insane in the brain!!!YA,YA,YA!
The insane really seem to have taken over the asylum at ryanair.It ain't going to happen humpty and you know why.
Insane in the membrane,insane in the brain!!!YA,YA,YA!
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Hump-on-a-stick
If the deal on offer displeases you, have you considered exercising your right to choose and seek more pleasing employment elsewhere? Should you adapt to the world, or should our world adapt to you?
Pusha da delete button.
Pusha da delete button.
BLPA may have withdrawn temporarily but they are there in the background, not because it is a big nasty demon organisation but because it is YOUR pilots getting more pissed off and your above comments don't serve to comfort them do they?
I am sorry I dont have time to respond to the other comments posted since my last. I will in due course, possibly tomorrow. Admit it Leo, you are still scared, otherwise the 10 year thing would not have appeared.
But keep pissing people off, seems to be your role in life, it all helps to build momentum.