Robert Mugabe "PB" in Ryanair gets Pilots to Vote YES
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McBruce - I attended the very dull BALPA meeting - in a freezing cold glorified parish hall in Bishops Stortford. How scared can they be to meet off airport.
I think BALPA are just playing into Ryanair's hands - it smells like a Mugabellew Machiavellian plot.
1. Ryanair Goad Balpa into action.
2. Balpa Start a half assed - no legal basis - "petition" campaign. Petitions are for new footpaths or pelican crossings - not a way to beat the most aggressive anti untion company in Europe. Pathetic.
3. Ask fools to input their data into an unsecure website.
4. Maybe - just maybe - some small base gets a majority.
5. Balpa insists on negotiations - and Ryanair will A. Make pilots redundant and/or B. Remove existing base conditions and beat them to a pulp. Beat them to a pulp with spreadsheets
6. Ryanair would just love such a row in the current climate - and there will be no sympathy for pilots.
Balpa should go down the same line as Ialpa and try and start numerous tribunal and court cases to tie up Ryanair management in knots - and drive O'Leary to distraction. Oppressive vote rigging, intimidation and threats, bullying hounding of staff on sickness, generally bad behaviour.
Mugabellew - Go Back to your Family in Ireland - and leave us in peace.
I think BALPA are just playing into Ryanair's hands - it smells like a Mugabellew Machiavellian plot.
1. Ryanair Goad Balpa into action.
2. Balpa Start a half assed - no legal basis - "petition" campaign. Petitions are for new footpaths or pelican crossings - not a way to beat the most aggressive anti untion company in Europe. Pathetic.
3. Ask fools to input their data into an unsecure website.
4. Maybe - just maybe - some small base gets a majority.
5. Balpa insists on negotiations - and Ryanair will A. Make pilots redundant and/or B. Remove existing base conditions and beat them to a pulp. Beat them to a pulp with spreadsheets
6. Ryanair would just love such a row in the current climate - and there will be no sympathy for pilots.
Balpa should go down the same line as Ialpa and try and start numerous tribunal and court cases to tie up Ryanair management in knots - and drive O'Leary to distraction. Oppressive vote rigging, intimidation and threats, bullying hounding of staff on sickness, generally bad behaviour.
Mugabellew - Go Back to your Family in Ireland - and leave us in peace.
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Not much mileage in shooting the messenger.
For what it is worth ( maybe not much I concede ) I think PB is a decent enough bloke in an invidious position ( admittedly he accepted it)
He is told "Peter bark". . so he barks, "Peter bite". . so he bites.
I had the pleasure to be one of the hundreds called in 15mths ago to explain my "festive season sickness".
I felt he was suitably embarrassed to inflict this nonsense on us, but finally he was only doing what he was told to do.
It is worth considering his employment status if he didn't.
It is all well and good to can the man, better by far merely to can the actions of the man whilst bearing in mind that he ( like you ) needs a job.
Try not to forget where his instructions come from. . . & not forgeting where the instigator of those instructions, instructions come from.
This all goes back to greedy-b@st@rd shareholders. I don't pretend that MOL stays awake at night thinking " Oh my, I was a bit harsh on DOB today and he might have come down a bit heavily on PB, Oh my God , what has he done to those poor pilots, BUT, this all starts with the greedy grubby bar-stewards holding the purse strings, and anyone in the chain who dared to rock the boat is out on his ear. By this reckonong , decent guys like PB or Ray have only two choices, A - Comply or B- Bye Bye, maybe they find it easier to keep their job ?
I don't envy, covet or apologise for their position, but common sense demands that I try and have some understanding of it.
For what it is worth ( maybe not much I concede ) I think PB is a decent enough bloke in an invidious position ( admittedly he accepted it)
He is told "Peter bark". . so he barks, "Peter bite". . so he bites.
I had the pleasure to be one of the hundreds called in 15mths ago to explain my "festive season sickness".
I felt he was suitably embarrassed to inflict this nonsense on us, but finally he was only doing what he was told to do.
It is worth considering his employment status if he didn't.
It is all well and good to can the man, better by far merely to can the actions of the man whilst bearing in mind that he ( like you ) needs a job.
Try not to forget where his instructions come from. . . & not forgeting where the instigator of those instructions, instructions come from.
This all goes back to greedy-b@st@rd shareholders. I don't pretend that MOL stays awake at night thinking " Oh my, I was a bit harsh on DOB today and he might have come down a bit heavily on PB, Oh my God , what has he done to those poor pilots, BUT, this all starts with the greedy grubby bar-stewards holding the purse strings, and anyone in the chain who dared to rock the boat is out on his ear. By this reckonong , decent guys like PB or Ray have only two choices, A - Comply or B- Bye Bye, maybe they find it easier to keep their job ?
I don't envy, covet or apologise for their position, but common sense demands that I try and have some understanding of it.
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Inveritas ... you've missed the point.
The idea of a BALPA petition is to demonstrate support for union recogntion. At the next stage, the petition will then be presented, along with other information, to the tribunal board. If enough pilots, both members and non members, have signed up to it, and shown a preference for union recognition, the board has the authority to impose it without the requirement for a ballot.
It's got nothing to do with Pelican crossings.
The idea of a BALPA petition is to demonstrate support for union recogntion. At the next stage, the petition will then be presented, along with other information, to the tribunal board. If enough pilots, both members and non members, have signed up to it, and shown a preference for union recognition, the board has the authority to impose it without the requirement for a ballot.
It's got nothing to do with Pelican crossings.
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Inveritas, are you member of balpa, have you really attended the meeting or a mate told you all about it and you made your own ready made opinion? If you are member, then remember this: YOU are balpa, nobody will do the work for you, balpa IS NOT the magic bullet. But it's the best - and last - bullet we have! If you think there is a better solution, come up with it, and starting a petition for PB to leave will not count towards a solution!
Do I think it will be a walk in the park to get balpa in? No, clearly not. Will it instantly solve our problem? Sh!t no, in fact it'll get worse before it gets much better.
1. Balpa got a good guy on board, TB, and he has been the starter of this campaign, but really the response is coming from us and the great majority of collegues i talk to are in favour of recognition
2. Add this petition to your list - yes, it is an important part to recognition to have this petition growing (and there is a huge response so far!) - it will help build the BRIDGE to get BALPA in!!
3. the website for the petition is COMPLETELY SECURE! hence the "s" part of https!! this list will remain internal to BALPA
4. you're not exactly an optimist.. there WILL be bases with majority
5. so you like it as it is without negotiations? find your balls my friend, they will tell you it is time to stop being scared of your own shadow.. we will bring them to the table and start respecting their workforce. What kind of protection do you have as it is now? Do you think they can't make anybody redundant now?
6. FR has already enjoyed the climate as it is.. look at your pay cut (sorry U/L), look at your sector pay soon to go down the drain, look at your A/L!
and kiss your allowance goodbye shortly!
BALPA is right in concentrating on the support for recognition, i'm afraid legal ways take too long and often end up in disappointment.
In conclusion, inveritas, your last post here sounds like some manager's pathetic attempt to extinguish the hope that BALPA is creating amongst the workforce, and your silly anti-PB won't fool anybody especially on this day - come out with your solution, let's be constructive.
Do I think it will be a walk in the park to get balpa in? No, clearly not. Will it instantly solve our problem? Sh!t no, in fact it'll get worse before it gets much better.
1. Balpa got a good guy on board, TB, and he has been the starter of this campaign, but really the response is coming from us and the great majority of collegues i talk to are in favour of recognition
2. Add this petition to your list - yes, it is an important part to recognition to have this petition growing (and there is a huge response so far!) - it will help build the BRIDGE to get BALPA in!!
3. the website for the petition is COMPLETELY SECURE! hence the "s" part of https!! this list will remain internal to BALPA
4. you're not exactly an optimist.. there WILL be bases with majority
5. so you like it as it is without negotiations? find your balls my friend, they will tell you it is time to stop being scared of your own shadow.. we will bring them to the table and start respecting their workforce. What kind of protection do you have as it is now? Do you think they can't make anybody redundant now?
6. FR has already enjoyed the climate as it is.. look at your pay cut (sorry U/L), look at your sector pay soon to go down the drain, look at your A/L!
and kiss your allowance goodbye shortly!
BALPA is right in concentrating on the support for recognition, i'm afraid legal ways take too long and often end up in disappointment.
In conclusion, inveritas, your last post here sounds like some manager's pathetic attempt to extinguish the hope that BALPA is creating amongst the workforce, and your silly anti-PB won't fool anybody especially on this day - come out with your solution, let's be constructive.
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If, just if, a base voted to join BALPA and secure 100% membership, what good would it do?
MOL will simply close the base.
Flights will operate using off base aircraft and the 'members' will be redundant.
This is how he he has threatened to do it in the past and no amount of Union recognition, Industrial Law or strike action will change his point of view.
End of story.
Now, if you got ALL the pilots to strike at once........................oh forget it.
MOL will simply close the base.
Flights will operate using off base aircraft and the 'members' will be redundant.
This is how he he has threatened to do it in the past and no amount of Union recognition, Industrial Law or strike action will change his point of view.
End of story.
Now, if you got ALL the pilots to strike at once........................oh forget it.
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Inveritas and Rubik101,what has happened to you guys.Have been so badly beaten you have given up all hope.Just row in with the others and do your bit.I am amazed how pilots in ryanair so readily see the reasons why NOT to do anything and to take the companys side,when they are bring continually screwed by them.enough of the why,why,why and more of the why not.carpe diem!
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Inveritas - You post stinks of ignorance, shame on you for providing us with your biased opinion.
Rubik101 - Lets muse that STN gains recognition - does MOL close STN? Can you imagine the aggravation created by closing a base?
He cannot make pilots redundant whilst employing new pilots.
I am surprised by your views.
Rubik101 - Lets muse that STN gains recognition - does MOL close STN? Can you imagine the aggravation created by closing a base?
He cannot make pilots redundant whilst employing new pilots.
I am surprised by your views.
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Quite frankly MOL is a lunatic and nothing is beyond comprehension as far as he is concerned. If STN voted in BALPA then I am sure he would stick to his word and close the base without a second thought. The guy now thinks he is immortal and he will do anything to reassert his power and authority - classic dictator. Not too sure about all the criticism heading PB's way, it's MOL that sets the tone and sets down laws and rules that his henchmen have to abide by (of which PB is obviously one) if they don't then they will be sacked. Or shot. For Ryanair to be cured, then the changes have to made at the VERY top. Maybe then and just maybe, things may change for the benefit of everyone.
It's such a shame that when you look at the opportunities on offer FR could be one of the best jobs in Europe, at the moment it's just sheer misery, like being in the prison showers. You know you're going to get f£$*ed in the butt, it's just a matter of waiting.
As for BALPA, i fear what will happen if they got voted in, but then again I think it has to be done.
It's such a shame that when you look at the opportunities on offer FR could be one of the best jobs in Europe, at the moment it's just sheer misery, like being in the prison showers. You know you're going to get f£$*ed in the butt, it's just a matter of waiting.
As for BALPA, i fear what will happen if they got voted in, but then again I think it has to be done.
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Cloud B., fear not, to close STN is suicide, let's all get real for a moment. He has f!cked up a lot recently, the last thing he will do is closing STN, that would be like cutting probably about 30% of his revenue, and send a panic message to the market.
As for PB, who cares? This guy has very low self esteem, but WB was the same and no doubt the next one will be. Forget them. Let's concentrate on recognition. I do slightly disagree with you about changes, yes ideally they should happen from the top, but I wouldn't bet on that happening naturally. The changes need to come from US, we need to bring BALPA, the rot has to be sent back up again.
And yes, he will throw his toys out of the pram, no doubt. Again, no bullsh!t, this will happen, we will not avoid it. There is no nicy nicy way out of where we are. So there will have to be patience and sacrifices before it gets MUCH better. Again, same old question, what's the alternative? As you say, IT HAS TO BE DONE!!
As for PB, who cares? This guy has very low self esteem, but WB was the same and no doubt the next one will be. Forget them. Let's concentrate on recognition. I do slightly disagree with you about changes, yes ideally they should happen from the top, but I wouldn't bet on that happening naturally. The changes need to come from US, we need to bring BALPA, the rot has to be sent back up again.
And yes, he will throw his toys out of the pram, no doubt. Again, no bullsh!t, this will happen, we will not avoid it. There is no nicy nicy way out of where we are. So there will have to be patience and sacrifices before it gets MUCH better. Again, same old question, what's the alternative? As you say, IT HAS TO BE DONE!!
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Ryanair in treating pilots badly shocker!
Why on earth are any of you surprised? Anyone who works for Ryanair knows the score when they sign up. He only does it because you are willing to work for him and put up with it again and again.
Roll over. Good boys . . etc
Why on earth are any of you surprised? Anyone who works for Ryanair knows the score when they sign up. He only does it because you are willing to work for him and put up with it again and again.
Roll over. Good boys . . etc
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To reaper and beaver and all you others who think I am a defeatist, I am not. I was a member of a PLC with BALPA for some years in a past life and fought long and hard for decent T&Cs, with some success, I like to think.
With RYR and increasingly, also with EZY, I am a realist. These airlines operate to a different set of rules.
If STN voted for BALPA recognition, yes, MOL would close the base and operate the flights, or most of them, from the other bases. Simple logistics, I'm afraid. The customers would probably notice nothing at all.
The pilots would be out of work and BALPA would be powerlwess to do a thing about it, even with 100% membership at STN or anywhere else, come the day.
Base closures come outside the remit of BALPA. They are simply decisions made by the company management on financial and commercial grounds.
Eff all anyone can do about it I'm afraid.
See you in the dole queue!
With RYR and increasingly, also with EZY, I am a realist. These airlines operate to a different set of rules.
If STN voted for BALPA recognition, yes, MOL would close the base and operate the flights, or most of them, from the other bases. Simple logistics, I'm afraid. The customers would probably notice nothing at all.
The pilots would be out of work and BALPA would be powerlwess to do a thing about it, even with 100% membership at STN or anywhere else, come the day.
Base closures come outside the remit of BALPA. They are simply decisions made by the company management on financial and commercial grounds.
Eff all anyone can do about it I'm afraid.
See you in the dole queue!
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They cannot close a base then make you redundant when there are queues of new people being trained and employed.
they can close a base but so what they will have to put you somewhere therefore you will still be employed. However if eagerbeaver doesn't support and backup rubik101 then the whole thing is pointless as it works on trust.
As a final point, please make an effort to visit the BALPA - Home homepage
or repaweb.org - THAT IS FOR EVERY RYANAIR PILOT INCLUDING YOU BROOKFIELD CHAPS.
they can close a base but so what they will have to put you somewhere therefore you will still be employed. However if eagerbeaver doesn't support and backup rubik101 then the whole thing is pointless as it works on trust.
As a final point, please make an effort to visit the BALPA - Home homepage
or repaweb.org - THAT IS FOR EVERY RYANAIR PILOT INCLUDING YOU BROOKFIELD CHAPS.
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rubik, read my lips: STN WILL NEVER BE CLOSED!!! Too much at stake, too much money generated. If anything, STN is in danger of being bought by a consortium involving FR... and it bores me to go on about this subject but quite frankly, where do you think he will move his planes to? LCY? LHR? an overcrowded/overpriced LGW? EZY would love FR to move out! happy days, take over the routes and clean up behind them. Molly would get the old "You're Fired" in less time than it takes to say the word BALPA!
And the customer is not stupid, he will still turn up at STN, he might actually like the customer care from whoever takes over.
It is OUR job to get RYR in the community of normal and transparent companies that make up this great industry.
If you think you're not a defeatist, this is the actual definition of one: "a person who too readily accepts or expects defeat"...
So rubik, CHEER UP, nobody is saying it will be easy, but we are against the wall now, and start BELIEVING it is possible. Let's DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Support BALPA!
And the customer is not stupid, he will still turn up at STN, he might actually like the customer care from whoever takes over.
It is OUR job to get RYR in the community of normal and transparent companies that make up this great industry.
If you think you're not a defeatist, this is the actual definition of one: "a person who too readily accepts or expects defeat"...
So rubik, CHEER UP, nobody is saying it will be easy, but we are against the wall now, and start BELIEVING it is possible. Let's DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Support BALPA!
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The solution is to target Mugabellew using IALPA who will fund as many cases in courts or tribunals as you want. 10 or 15 cases at once and he will get fired or leave.
If he is gone - the constant harrasment on sickness, hours, leave, 5/3, swaps, 12 hr standbys, unpaid leave, forced leave, etc.... will end.
IALPA will fund any FR pilot to take a case and will help you trap them. That is the solution.
MOL will fire all FR pilots in any "BALPA" base. Mugabellew will supply the Shylockfielders to keep the base running.
If he is gone - the constant harrasment on sickness, hours, leave, 5/3, swaps, 12 hr standbys, unpaid leave, forced leave, etc.... will end.
IALPA will fund any FR pilot to take a case and will help you trap them. That is the solution.
MOL will fire all FR pilots in any "BALPA" base. Mugabellew will supply the Shylockfielders to keep the base running.
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inveritas, i will take take your post to it's real value - an April's fool.. we all know that those tactics do not work and are useless. After WB came PB, after him will come whoever will ask for less money to do the same job. Same thing, different color. IALPA should not waste money persuing an individual manager for the sake of getting him fired. In fact your post is in my view deliberately naive, nobody will fall for it.
The only way to stop the erosion of t&c's is by bringing balpa in in the UK, get organised and show your support. And obviously IALPA or any other ECA union should concentrate on a pan-european recognition
Also be very carefull with your language - I find it very distasteful. BRK guys are on a contract because for 80% of them it was the only contract offered by RYR. No choice, take it or leave it. Don't like it? Go to China!
So please stop disrespecting your fellow colleague on the basis of him being BRK or not. They are NOT the cause of the problem, the current management IS.
This is what we are fighting against - RYR's unchallenged power to decide on one's contract, salary, base, sby, A/L, career progress, etc..
The only way to stop the erosion of t&c's is by bringing balpa in in the UK, get organised and show your support. And obviously IALPA or any other ECA union should concentrate on a pan-european recognition
Also be very carefull with your language - I find it very distasteful. BRK guys are on a contract because for 80% of them it was the only contract offered by RYR. No choice, take it or leave it. Don't like it? Go to China!
So please stop disrespecting your fellow colleague on the basis of him being BRK or not. They are NOT the cause of the problem, the current management IS.
This is what we are fighting against - RYR's unchallenged power to decide on one's contract, salary, base, sby, A/L, career progress, etc..
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Freebird, there is no need to shout.
I never suggested that STN would cease to fly RYR flights. If you read the posts carefully, something I suggest you do to all the posts, you will see that I pointed out that the flights would continue without any discernible difference to the customers and that the STN based pilots would be made redundant. You don't think RYR has the capacity to keep the schedule pretty much as it stands now in STN? Think again.
Bases come and go in RYR and there is no reason to suggest that STN is some sacred cow in the structure of RYR.
Our backs have been against the so called wall for many years now, almost since MOL took over the running of RYR, so to say that now is the time to do something, well, I agree, but what?
As written so many times before, BALPA, REPA, IFALPA EU Employment law and all the other acronyms you care to call on amount to nothing in RYR because of the sheer number of pilots at so many different bases on so many different contracts on so many different salaries. Expecting concerted action from such a disparate collection of pilots is nigh on impossible.
But........never say never...........good luck!
I never suggested that STN would cease to fly RYR flights. If you read the posts carefully, something I suggest you do to all the posts, you will see that I pointed out that the flights would continue without any discernible difference to the customers and that the STN based pilots would be made redundant. You don't think RYR has the capacity to keep the schedule pretty much as it stands now in STN? Think again.
Bases come and go in RYR and there is no reason to suggest that STN is some sacred cow in the structure of RYR.
Our backs have been against the so called wall for many years now, almost since MOL took over the running of RYR, so to say that now is the time to do something, well, I agree, but what?
As written so many times before, BALPA, REPA, IFALPA EU Employment law and all the other acronyms you care to call on amount to nothing in RYR because of the sheer number of pilots at so many different bases on so many different contracts on so many different salaries. Expecting concerted action from such a disparate collection of pilots is nigh on impossible.
But........never say never...........good luck!
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The solution is both
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Rubik and Invertias I can understand your pessimism, I am sure half of europe were equally pessimistic in 1944.
The legal approach to "tie up in knots" management should be used to enhance the broader campaign objectives of changing our working envirmonment and having genuine representation.
I have been here many years and have seen many things, and I absolutely believe more than ever that the pilots can beat MOL, DOB and PB.
No-body is asking you to take any risks at all, simply sign a petition and encourage others to do so, this information is obviously vital to a recognition vote in UK, and to further actions by other sections of crew.
Legal actions will be a part of this process I am certain
Once you have done that, by all means, go back into the woodwork if you choose and leave the fight to others, just be there to vote when the time comes.
There will be high profile campaigning, don't worry friend, we will be organised, to meet the challenges. this will become a lot bigger, and our voice will be heard, after this key step is complete.
Yes MOL will threaten to crush, to destroy and ruin you. He will scream very loud and very hard to try and make you back down if a vote comes. It may not even be needed if enough sign a simple petition form. If a vote is needed there will be a slick campaign waged involving the many who will not be intimidated. It will be much more than stickers and text messages. there are those who are willing, to confornt this bully and try and gain positive change for all crew. We are not anti company, but MOL is anti crew and the this is the only course left open to us.
To think MOL is untouchable is to give the man to much hype, he is making many mistakes now, he we will scream and threaten, that is all he knows, but he is answerable to the shareholders.
I know I am a realist, Its obvious if you look further than next months paycheck that your job will get worse, harder, with less time off of your chosing and for less pay. History proves it. You will NEVER have a say in that if you do not at least support those willing to act. We are talking about genuine collective bargaining here and not threats and dictations. The initmidation has always been there with this lot and we seek to end it.
He can not shut down all UK bases, whatever he threatens, if recognition is national, really what can he do, his numbers up and he knows it.
This is begining of the snowball effect, once it gathers momentum, well you just watch.
90% of it is all lies bluff and cluster. It will not be easy but the costs of not doing this are far greater.
It has to end now
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
Rubik and Invertias I can understand your pessimism, I am sure half of europe were equally pessimistic in 1944.
The legal approach to "tie up in knots" management should be used to enhance the broader campaign objectives of changing our working envirmonment and having genuine representation.
I have been here many years and have seen many things, and I absolutely believe more than ever that the pilots can beat MOL, DOB and PB.
No-body is asking you to take any risks at all, simply sign a petition and encourage others to do so, this information is obviously vital to a recognition vote in UK, and to further actions by other sections of crew.
Legal actions will be a part of this process I am certain
Once you have done that, by all means, go back into the woodwork if you choose and leave the fight to others, just be there to vote when the time comes.
There will be high profile campaigning, don't worry friend, we will be organised, to meet the challenges. this will become a lot bigger, and our voice will be heard, after this key step is complete.
Yes MOL will threaten to crush, to destroy and ruin you. He will scream very loud and very hard to try and make you back down if a vote comes. It may not even be needed if enough sign a simple petition form. If a vote is needed there will be a slick campaign waged involving the many who will not be intimidated. It will be much more than stickers and text messages. there are those who are willing, to confornt this bully and try and gain positive change for all crew. We are not anti company, but MOL is anti crew and the this is the only course left open to us.
To think MOL is untouchable is to give the man to much hype, he is making many mistakes now, he we will scream and threaten, that is all he knows, but he is answerable to the shareholders.
I know I am a realist, Its obvious if you look further than next months paycheck that your job will get worse, harder, with less time off of your chosing and for less pay. History proves it. You will NEVER have a say in that if you do not at least support those willing to act. We are talking about genuine collective bargaining here and not threats and dictations. The initmidation has always been there with this lot and we seek to end it.
He can not shut down all UK bases, whatever he threatens, if recognition is national, really what can he do, his numbers up and he knows it.
This is begining of the snowball effect, once it gathers momentum, well you just watch.
90% of it is all lies bluff and cluster. It will not be easy but the costs of not doing this are far greater.
It has to end now
https://www.balpa.org/RyanairPetition.aspx
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rubik101, not sure which airline you fought for t's+c's in but glad I dont work for them. Must have put too much Jamies on me cornflakes this morning, but I think you just said fr could lay off every pilot in stn without the pax even knowing? Don't scare the kids like that, they don't know any better.
And inveritas, how is what you suggest going to help anyone? Tie up company time and money fighting individual court cases and who do you think is going to pay the bill long term? Or will they just tap the petty cash, I mean pilot's pay pot? BALPA can do nothing to help the pilots until they get recognition, and that can only come from the pilots. I know its easily said, but dont take it personally from PB. Trying to get him sacked is'nt going to solve anything.
And inveritas, how is what you suggest going to help anyone? Tie up company time and money fighting individual court cases and who do you think is going to pay the bill long term? Or will they just tap the petty cash, I mean pilot's pay pot? BALPA can do nothing to help the pilots until they get recognition, and that can only come from the pilots. I know its easily said, but dont take it personally from PB. Trying to get him sacked is'nt going to solve anything.
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Boredhousewife, I am pretty sure you would be delighted to work for the company in question. They are a well established and well run charter and now scheduled airline with modern aircraft, good T&Cs and excellent routes. Their final salary pensions are well funded. The pilots rarely leave or even bother to post on pprune, such is the nature of the airline and it's management. I am sure the pilots have their gripes, as do we all, but to suggest that my efforts on the PLC were insignificant and worthless is both wrong and mildly insulting.
If you are ever fortunate enough to work for them, then I am sure that the suspension of pension contributions by the company during the 80s which we opposed and prevented will come up in conversation down the route at some time.
They are probably the only airline to have a fully funded pension scheme in the UK, so obviously not BA!
If you are ever fortunate enough to work for them, then I am sure that the suspension of pension contributions by the company during the 80s which we opposed and prevented will come up in conversation down the route at some time.
They are probably the only airline to have a fully funded pension scheme in the UK, so obviously not BA!