Ryanair: New Cadets Vs Experieneced De Fo
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Ryanair: New Cadets Vs Experieneced De Fo
Just wondering when FR do start recruiting again the "300"TR places will they be replaced by the FO from the likes of XL Zoom etc. Will it mean FR will not be interested in cadets and TR anymore?
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It is widely believed that training courses are more of a financial benefit to RYR than a loss, and much of the future capacity is going to be done in house.
So, I think you can work out the answer easily enough.
So, I think you can work out the answer easily enough.
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Quite the opposite actually, FR dont want experienced FOs joining because they dont pay FR anything and they cost more to FR in terms of wages, so if Fact experienced FOs are NOT what FR want, they want the new cadet with no hours who will pay handsomely for the TR. FR make a few grand on each cadet and pay them less.... easy when you look at it through FR eyes.
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Its part of your TR costs.
Some how i doubt the FR cadets all manage to do it in the minimum 6 anyway.
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Do you think the Irish CAA would allow 300 low houred fo cadets?
An airline does need an average level of experience i think if they just took on 300 low houred cadets the experience level would be too bias and bring the average down.
just a thought to ponder on.
sts
An airline does need an average level of experience i think if they just took on 300 low houred cadets the experience level would be too bias and bring the average down.
just a thought to ponder on.
sts
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Do you think the Irish CAA would allow 300 low houred fo cadets?
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Strangely enough this is not the case. All training courses have been postponed for a few months. Whether that is because there would be very little flying to offer, or because more training is coming "in house" and will therefore be more lucrative with no middle man involved, I leave you to decide for yourself.
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well said Jesper!
I did my base training in 6 cicuits and hell one of the other guys took 12 circuits! No charge to his credit card!!
At the mo all type rating is done by outside companies so how people think FR make moeny out of it is beyond me!!
Yeah TR will become in house but when you got TRI's from different companies adding thier bit and own companies SOP's at all becomes a mess and well, the standard wasn't being met and some instances and this is not always down to the cadet! Keeping it in house should help to prevent this and BA/bmi/Lingus cadets all have the same problems! Welcome to your first job!
I did my base training in 6 cicuits and hell one of the other guys took 12 circuits! No charge to his credit card!!
At the mo all type rating is done by outside companies so how people think FR make moeny out of it is beyond me!!
Yeah TR will become in house but when you got TRI's from different companies adding thier bit and own companies SOP's at all becomes a mess and well, the standard wasn't being met and some instances and this is not always down to the cadet! Keeping it in house should help to prevent this and BA/bmi/Lingus cadets all have the same problems! Welcome to your first job!
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CAE/SAS pay RYR a fee per cadet to cover the CRM and base training. "RYR pay 20k" for base training, well thats just a fantasy, if you do a SSTR then the base training module only costs 4k with a partner airline so I don't know whats special in your opinion for RYR to depart with more than 4 times the market value. CCTs and Safety/CRM are part of the TR and you pay 22k for the TR (which is done under Ryanairs type rating training organization license and overseen by the IAA), without these modules signed off, I'd like to see you try and convince the IAA you've completed the course.
Anyone who requires more circuits does so at RYRs expense but generally this is not a common occurance. The only regular costs which RYR absorb are the 21 day simulator CCT refresher sessions.
Jesper, I agree, no one knows whats in the written agreement between RYR and the 2 schools (don't let that stop a good debate though!). If you work for RYR then you will know they are not an airline who will just happily absorb costs, they run the tightest ship, hence the whole self funded cadet route.
Anyone who requires more circuits does so at RYRs expense but generally this is not a common occurance. The only regular costs which RYR absorb are the 21 day simulator CCT refresher sessions.
Jesper, I agree, no one knows whats in the written agreement between RYR and the 2 schools (don't let that stop a good debate though!
). If you work for RYR then you will know they are not an airline who will just happily absorb costs, they run the tightest ship, hence the whole self funded cadet route.
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Dont have the contract anymore but I'm sure it said the base tarining would be at the cost of £6500ish which if you dont make the grade you pay back. Its in line with storm, tcx and easy sstr's.
All TRO's will ask for a fee regarding placing a cadet regardless of the airline
All TRO's will ask for a fee regarding placing a cadet regardless of the airline
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many other airlines (flag carriers) will NOT touch ex FR pilots
Like aerobat I know people recently moved to flag carriers from FR and christ I'm in the hold pool for a major!
My hat off to you Aerospace101 (if i had one!), I've read some crap on pprune but that sir is amazing!
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