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If the DFO has recognised that there is a problem then at least it is a step in the right direction, considering last years profits were 3.91 Billion a few quid spent on replacing some of the worst engines would'nt hit the bottom line!!
A properly rebuilt "C" engine would be better than what we have at the moment, but the turnaround times on the engines are in the order of nine months for an overhaul, and those overhauls are minimal, to be kind.
In short, this problem is not going away anytime soon. Not unless drastic action is taken by the pilot body or until someone is seriously hurt, in my opinion.
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Avenging Angel.
Good idea, ignore the problem just like you are accusing me of doing.
Best foot forward.
I think the answer to your question is obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red Baron
We didnīt see a union as a good idea at the end of the day.
It was scrapped.
Clyde Crashcup
You only need two good engines on each aircraft! The rest are for maintenence!
And we have had NO ENGINE FAILURES since ops began.
And Neil Armstrong.
Very funny but you know what I meant.
There are LOTS of posters here who appeared out of nowhere all of the sudden.
Good idea, ignore the problem just like you are accusing me of doing.
Best foot forward.
I think the answer to your question is obvious!!!!!!!!!!!!
Red Baron
We didnīt see a union as a good idea at the end of the day.
It was scrapped.
Clyde Crashcup
You only need two good engines on each aircraft! The rest are for maintenence!
And we have had NO ENGINE FAILURES since ops began.
And Neil Armstrong.
Very funny but you know what I meant.
There are LOTS of posters here who appeared out of nowhere all of the sudden.
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SQP1,
I neither work for or have much interest in DHL as a company, but your attitude is way off base.
Fumes are a massive issue in the airline world, I know many crews who have been affected by them, some to an alarming degree. One was hospitalised for nearly 6 months and he was ex-special forces, so not exactly a wuss or moaner.
You also state that DHL has never had an engine failure, yet I know of at least a couple of inflight shutdowns that DHL have suffered in the last 10 years. Not firey uncontained failures, but problems none the less.
The other pilots in your airline are your closest colleagues and your attitude towards them is not a sensible one. If you can't rely on your fellow pilots, then that is a very sad day. Your attitude is alienating you from the general consensus, calling people fools for their fears is a very daft thing to do.
Especially when this problem is well known and documented.
The fact it is not being acted upon reflects very poorly on DHL upper echelons.
I neither work for or have much interest in DHL as a company, but your attitude is way off base.
Fumes are a massive issue in the airline world, I know many crews who have been affected by them, some to an alarming degree. One was hospitalised for nearly 6 months and he was ex-special forces, so not exactly a wuss or moaner.
You also state that DHL has never had an engine failure, yet I know of at least a couple of inflight shutdowns that DHL have suffered in the last 10 years. Not firey uncontained failures, but problems none the less.
The other pilots in your airline are your closest colleagues and your attitude towards them is not a sensible one. If you can't rely on your fellow pilots, then that is a very sad day. Your attitude is alienating you from the general consensus, calling people fools for their fears is a very daft thing to do.
Especially when this problem is well known and documented.
The fact it is not being acted upon reflects very poorly on DHL upper echelons.
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DHL is a big company and I was talking about DHLAIR! not having failures!
Which is what these threads are about!
I didnīt say fumes are not a problem!
I said they are not a big problem like has been said here!
I CANNOT see how this is your business in any way.
Which is what these threads are about!
I didnīt say fumes are not a problem!
I said they are not a big problem like has been said here!
I CANNOT see how this is your business in any way.
Thankyou!
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Oh the Quizzling returns.
I wonder if you read the bottom of this page which says:
So now we see the REAL troublemaker.
I wonder if you read the bottom of this page which says:
As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, to elicit certain reactions.
So now we see the REAL troublemaker.
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SQP1.......If everybody on pprune only commented on direct "business" of their own,I doubt the site would be still going!!!!
Wether it is SAS's business or not is none of your business.
Seems you have a very aggressive streak,life's too short mate!
By the way,I've nothing to do with DHL.
Wether it is SAS's business or not is none of your business.
Seems you have a very aggressive streak,life's too short mate!
By the way,I've nothing to do with DHL.
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I am NOT aggresive, I am only standing up for what I think and I think this is still a free country in spite of everything.
If you really knew me you would know this is so.
There are people who would like you to believe I am agressive, but they know better.
The Point I was trying to make to your friend is that there is enough trouble with the few that are making trouble without people without inside information making comments based SOLELY on what is posted here.
It is obvious to me and I am sure is to you as you are obviously intelligent, that there are not that many people posting and are using different names to conceal ther identitys and also to make it look like there are more people upset about this than really are.
Lots of them donīt even work for DHLair and they are loading the dice which is NOT democracy.
If you really knew me you would know this is so.
There are people who would like you to believe I am agressive, but they know better.
The Point I was trying to make to your friend is that there is enough trouble with the few that are making trouble without people without inside information making comments based SOLELY on what is posted here.
It is obvious to me and I am sure is to you as you are obviously intelligent, that there are not that many people posting and are using different names to conceal ther identitys and also to make it look like there are more people upset about this than really are.
Lots of them donīt even work for DHLair and they are loading the dice which is NOT democracy.
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I agree with you entirely,but if that's the case then you're allowing these people to wind you up.I'm sure SAS wasn't trying to fuel the debate intentionally,in fact he's made lots of intelligent unrelated posts.As you say,its a free country and surely he can comment if he likes.
Suppose we're both saying we're sticking up for democracy!
I wish you well!
Suppose we're both saying we're sticking up for democracy!
I wish you well!
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SQP1 ,believe me its just you and some management who have the views that its not a big problem and its only some drama queens who bring it up.
But you are allowed your view like everybody else but you accuse us ,your colleagues !!of making it look worst then it is ,
you call us
a bunch of drama queens
**** stirrers that continue to WHINE
tiny militant majority
Now your saying "I didnīt say fumes are not a problem!" but in a previous post you said "I'm trying to tell you that there's no problem"
No engine failures in DHL air !! are you sure ,i remember a run down on the approuch and a shutdown after take off.
Neil
edited for spelling mistakes pointed out by my colleague
But you are allowed your view like everybody else but you accuse us ,your colleagues !!of making it look worst then it is ,
you call us
a bunch of drama queens
**** stirrers that continue to WHINE
tiny militant majority
Now your saying "I didnīt say fumes are not a problem!" but in a previous post you said "I'm trying to tell you that there's no problem"
No engine failures in DHL air !! are you sure ,i remember a run down on the approuch and a shutdown after take off.
Neil
edited for spelling mistakes pointed out by my colleague
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Like you Neil, SQP1 is WRONG, I to can remember last year an engine flaming out on the approach into CGN and a shutdown after takeoff when ATC reported flames as long as the aircraft coming from one of the engines which was surging when departing from CPH. Obviously SQP1 wasnt in the company then. Interesting why SQP1 keeps trying to impress on people its just the same person posting here and changing there name, thats rubbish. As for fumes yes there is a problem with the engines, they are trying to do what they can with the rescources they are allowed to use. Cost is an issue aswell as engine overhaul times and a lack of engines. SQP1 take obe ones advice! There are lots of people in dhlair concerned about fumes, the DFO is doing his best I think, and its encouraging to see. Hopefully these events will become less or nil. However they do occur and they are worrying and there is no quick fix.
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Well OK, sorry, I can except that.
I had forgotten about the flameout in CGN.
Itīs still a LOT less than most airlines.
And I am not wound up either.
I am calmly pointing out my views on this matter, in a NON DRAMATIC way.
I had forgotten about the flameout in CGN.
Itīs still a LOT less than most airlines.
And I am not wound up either.
I am calmly pointing out my views on this matter, in a NON DRAMATIC way.
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I doubt if the engine failures had anything to do with the subject matter.
My understanding (given without prejudice) from chats I've had with engineers, is that toxic fume events are more likely to the product of oil seal design on the C5 engines, and the fact that damaged seals are not replaceable by our own engineers.
Someone earlier said that we have 5 spare engines... I'm not sure that's true anymore either. I heard that there were no replacement engines now, and that it can take up to 300 days to get an engine back from being overhauled!
Regarding the question of pilots using more than one pseudonym; I suppose there is always a danger of that happening BUT given the fact there are about 140 pilots in DHL, I would have expected a flood of rebuttals if any unfair criticism has been levied!
Finally, we should not knock each other for holding opposing opinions, it is up to the reader to assess the weight of any argument given.
My understanding (given without prejudice) from chats I've had with engineers, is that toxic fume events are more likely to the product of oil seal design on the C5 engines, and the fact that damaged seals are not replaceable by our own engineers.
Someone earlier said that we have 5 spare engines... I'm not sure that's true anymore either. I heard that there were no replacement engines now, and that it can take up to 300 days to get an engine back from being overhauled!
Regarding the question of pilots using more than one pseudonym; I suppose there is always a danger of that happening BUT given the fact there are about 140 pilots in DHL, I would have expected a flood of rebuttals if any unfair criticism has been levied!
Finally, we should not knock each other for holding opposing opinions, it is up to the reader to assess the weight of any argument given.
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My understanding (given without prejudice) from chats I've had with engineers, is that toxic fume events are more likely to the product of oil seal design on the C5 engines, and the fact that damaged seals are not replaceable by our own engineers.
Thatīs right Sapco, you canīt get at the Labyrinth seal on any multi spool turbine without a lot of surgery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_seal
You can imagine one of these between each set of spools as well as at the front of the engine. Each spool has to be disassembled from itīs shaft to gain access to the seal seperating it from itīs neighboring seal, and each seal itself has to be disassembled. Itīs a very labour intensive and expensive job to get at them. Basically youīre talking about a complete stripdown to replace them.
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SQP1,
Unless you get all the facts correct you are only making yourself look as ill informed as you obviously are. In addition to the 2 failures already mentioned I abandoned at take-off at GOT 2 years ago for a surge caused by the 3rd & 4th stage compressors breaking up....thats 3 shutdowns/failures in 6 years....by any modern companies standards thats a very high level of shutdowns. In my previous job we had 1 shutdown in 10 years, and we had double the number of engines
As for maintenance, the last engine that came out of maintenance suffered FOD damage during its engine run......the overhaul took 9 months. All spare engines have been used up & now they are robbing engines off serviceable aircraft when they go into the hangar for scheduled maintenance.
You are entitled to your opinion the same as we all are, however if you must bring fact into this discussion then try to make sure you get your facts correct first........you are becoming a laughing stock to all of us!
Unless you get all the facts correct you are only making yourself look as ill informed as you obviously are. In addition to the 2 failures already mentioned I abandoned at take-off at GOT 2 years ago for a surge caused by the 3rd & 4th stage compressors breaking up....thats 3 shutdowns/failures in 6 years....by any modern companies standards thats a very high level of shutdowns. In my previous job we had 1 shutdown in 10 years, and we had double the number of engines
As for maintenance, the last engine that came out of maintenance suffered FOD damage during its engine run......the overhaul took 9 months. All spare engines have been used up & now they are robbing engines off serviceable aircraft when they go into the hangar for scheduled maintenance.
You are entitled to your opinion the same as we all are, however if you must bring fact into this discussion then try to make sure you get your facts correct first........you are becoming a laughing stock to all of us!
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SQP1, Whilst I have no interest in working for DHL(air.....) I do know quite a number of people who work there and we do chat about things, so
As for Pprune being a democracy!!!! Try telling Danny that, he'll laugh you out of the room.
Now you say fumes are a problem, just not a big one? Hang on that's a bit of a U-turn, are you sure you're not a Labour politician?
Fumes and therefore people's health is the biggest issue there can possibly be. It isn't just crews being trouble makers. I wouldn't put my health at risk just to fly an a/c, why would you?
Could you imagine the cost to the company if this was proven to be a health risk and they were then sued by pilot's who had been affected, especially in this case where there is a fix and it isn't being taken simply because of money.
In this health and safety obsessed world we now live in, they'd get hammered.
Unfortunately it seems for you DHL(air....) pilots that might need to happen before a fix is put in place and that isn't good for anyone, pilots or company.
As for Pprune being a democracy!!!! Try telling Danny that, he'll laugh you out of the room.
Now you say fumes are a problem, just not a big one? Hang on that's a bit of a U-turn, are you sure you're not a Labour politician?
Fumes and therefore people's health is the biggest issue there can possibly be. It isn't just crews being trouble makers. I wouldn't put my health at risk just to fly an a/c, why would you?
Could you imagine the cost to the company if this was proven to be a health risk and they were then sued by pilot's who had been affected, especially in this case where there is a fix and it isn't being taken simply because of money.
In this health and safety obsessed world we now live in, they'd get hammered.
Unfortunately it seems for you DHL(air....) pilots that might need to happen before a fix is put in place and that isn't good for anyone, pilots or company.
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No, itīs not a U-TURN. You need to read carefully what I have written in the past. I am saying that the few are blowing it all out of proportion FOR THEIR OWN ENDS!Thatīs what I`m trying to say here to balance out the propaganda being put out by the VERY FEW!Itīs obvious that these few are just making names up to try and make it look like there are dozens of pilots unhappy with DHLair when nothing could be further form the truth. They donīt like me saying things like Famous Five for a very good reason, they know itīs too close to the truth for them to remain comfortable. And I didnīt say it was pprune was a democracy, but that doesnīt mean I canīt try to point out FRAUD when I see it. The only thing these people can do is whine about it because they know they have no real case to make with ANYONE! I was not trying to upset anyone posting their mind, but donīt you think itīs strange that the things I say make them so upset if they werenīt true?