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If i earned what you do now even with a zero or two added i would drop it all in an instant for what i do now.
Too many people on this site who are not in LOVE enough with what they do or flying hasnt lived up to what they expected and expect others to be as downbeat and negative as they are.
Go for it
Its better to be up there looking down wondering whats down below than looking up wishing you were there.
Sure the industry is shakey sure you might not get a job straight away on falling out of flying school....you might not even ever get a job but at least you would have tried.
Here's an example of what you'd be missing.
Took off the other night from Gatwick on a brookmans park departure to Iceland. It was a beautifly clear night and was given an early left turn right over the centre of london. WHAT A VIEW The london eye Leicester Square Buckingham Place the river thames you name we could see it. Further north a beautiful moon rise that started a deep red colour and just got brighter. going further north we chased what little light was left for nearly three hours and the stars and milky way were stunning.
Thats just the views. The thrill of standing up the throttles and hurtling down a concrete strip and hoofing it off the deck into busy airspace to then try and grease it at the other end is better than.....well......SEX (almost)
Ghandou
You have a choice, go for it or not. Which ever you chose just make sure that you really want it. If you dont then a life of possibly saying I wish I... I wonder what.....What would I..... untill the day you die.
If you do then note it aint gonna be easy either passing the course or getting a job but when you do F**k me its worth it.
I wish you the very best of luck and from a personal point of view and some friendly advice JUST DO IT you wont regret it for a second.
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If i earned what you do now even with a zero or two added i would drop it all in an instant for what i do now.
Too many people on this site who are not in LOVE enough with what they do or flying hasnt lived up to what they expected and expect others to be as downbeat and negative as they are.
Go for it
Its better to be up there looking down wondering whats down below than looking up wishing you were there.
Sure the industry is shakey sure you might not get a job straight away on falling out of flying school....you might not even ever get a job but at least you would have tried.
Here's an example of what you'd be missing.
Took off the other night from Gatwick on a brookmans park departure to Iceland. It was a beautifly clear night and was given an early left turn right over the centre of london. WHAT A VIEW The london eye Leicester Square Buckingham Place the river thames you name we could see it. Further north a beautiful moon rise that started a deep red colour and just got brighter. going further north we chased what little light was left for nearly three hours and the stars and milky way were stunning.
Thats just the views. The thrill of standing up the throttles and hurtling down a concrete strip and hoofing it off the deck into busy airspace to then try and grease it at the other end is better than.....well......SEX (almost)
Ghandou
You have a choice, go for it or not. Which ever you chose just make sure that you really want it. If you dont then a life of possibly saying I wish I... I wonder what.....What would I..... untill the day you die.
If you do then note it aint gonna be easy either passing the course or getting a job but when you do F**k me its worth it.
I wish you the very best of luck and from a personal point of view and some friendly advice JUST DO IT you wont regret it for a second.
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Well...
I agree completely, but isn't it the same flying a nice 172 a saturday or sunday with a few buddies?
Maybe you should find another partner for the sex thing, I don't think too much people would agree with you on that one!
Are you being realistic or negative?
I hope you don't say it because of what I said. I love flying, I have a good time (many of us do), but I just say it isn't sooooo goooood as to go through such finnancial difficulties and so much trouble. What's bad about having a PPL and flying for fun on days off?
Besides... someone that doesn't content himself with his present career and his own life is someone negative enough by himself. Do you think he will be able to put up with all the difficulties of becoming a pilot and finding a job? Don't you think that warning him would be a good idea?
Cheers / Pablo
The thrill of standing up the throttles and hurtling down a concrete strip and hoofing it off the deck into busy airspace to then try and grease it at the other end is better than.....well......SEX (almost)
Maybe you should find another partner for the sex thing, I don't think too much people would agree with you on that one!
Sure the industry is shakey sure you might not get a job straight away on falling out of flying school....you might not even ever get a job but at least you would have tried.
Too many people on this site who are not in LOVE enough with what they do or flying hasnt lived up to what they expected and expect others to be as downbeat and negative as they are.
Besides... someone that doesn't content himself with his present career and his own life is someone negative enough by himself. Do you think he will be able to put up with all the difficulties of becoming a pilot and finding a job? Don't you think that warning him would be a good idea?
Cheers / Pablo
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Not in the slightest. In a 172 et al YOUR paying the bills. In a commercial job someones paying you and with a reasonable career path quite handsomely
If you highlighted the last bit of the post you will notice but at least you would have tried. and that really is the crux of my argument. Surely its better to go through life saying at least i gave it a shot. I'm very aware that the state of our industry is in the ****e and have known people who tried and either gave up or never got a foot in the door but they can go to their grave never wondering what if i took that first step. So i would like to think that im being realisticaly positive.
There's nothing bad about flying for fun on a PPL and for some that is all they want to do and i say good luck.
For others they want to fly above the clouds (up to FL410 in my machine which id like to see a 172 do) or on bad wx days or across the oceans for a few days off on a beach or work with fellow professionals including cabin crew. Dealing with the many manifold problems that working for an airline can bring. Flying something bigger than a four seater with one engine or for the simple pleasure as mentioned earlier of someone else paying for your hobby.
The list is endless of the pleasures of flying commercially and im fully aware that someone will come along and give a thousand reasons why its bad. But to them i say i dont care as the problems are only challenges to be overcome and if you hate it that mouch you obviously are in the wrong job. Move and and give the likes of Ghandou a shot and an oportunity to moan if he want.
Not at all. Its a general statement from what ive read on PPrune and what i've seen out and about. For some their expectations of flying are never met as the dream is sometimes let down by the reality. If thats the case then i say move on. For some the money is never enough the cc aren't putting out or the uniform is rubbish or the hotels are crap etc etc etc. The moaners in this game are never happy and all they like is the sound of their own voice whining and moaning but never come up with the answer to a problem.
I did say almost
Even tough my missus thinks im having an affair with my a/c. Sad i know but i am an AEROsexual.
PS PS over the busy periods £4300pm take home
I agree completely, but isn't it the same flying a nice 172 a saturday or sunday with a few buddies?
Are you being realistic or negative?
What's bad about having a PPL and flying for fun on days off?
For others they want to fly above the clouds (up to FL410 in my machine which id like to see a 172 do) or on bad wx days or across the oceans for a few days off on a beach or work with fellow professionals including cabin crew. Dealing with the many manifold problems that working for an airline can bring. Flying something bigger than a four seater with one engine or for the simple pleasure as mentioned earlier of someone else paying for your hobby.
The list is endless of the pleasures of flying commercially and im fully aware that someone will come along and give a thousand reasons why its bad. But to them i say i dont care as the problems are only challenges to be overcome and if you hate it that mouch you obviously are in the wrong job. Move and and give the likes of Ghandou a shot and an oportunity to moan if he want.
I hope you don't say it because of what I said
Maybe you should find another partner for the sex thing, I don't think too much people would agree with you on that one!
Even tough my missus thinks im having an affair with my a/c. Sad i know but i am an AEROsexual.PS PS over the busy periods £4300pm take home
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£2200pm take home working about 65 hours per week when you include travelling to work and back. Wish I had the money to train to do what you guys do as i'm damn sure that I would love your job more than I do mine.
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South African Contractor: Capt B190C Kabul, Afghanistan £32400pa or £2700pm 4months off a year. No benefits - except for flying at 20ft of the deck down the Afghan Highway through the desert.
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Flaps60,
Ms. Flaps is going to receive an anonymus regarding the affair you have with ur a/c.
I agree with you in many points, the job itself is great and problem solving... I love it too, is that... either some people doesn't see that way and some other people can't find a job or takes them too long. Why not warning them?
Still... I disagree with the "at least you tried" thing, although on the other side, to be honest, most people that keep on trying end up finding a way. Even though instructing isn't well paid it's a great way to start.
Agree with you on the negative thing about Pprune, sometimes is daunting reading around here. Thought you were saying it because of my comments. When I'm negative at least I try to elaborate, but... agree that most people here is just negative for the sake of it.
Anyway... time to move on. Keep 'em coming!
Cheers / Pablo
Ms. Flaps is going to receive an anonymus regarding the affair you have with ur a/c.
I agree with you in many points, the job itself is great and problem solving... I love it too, is that... either some people doesn't see that way and some other people can't find a job or takes them too long. Why not warning them?
Still... I disagree with the "at least you tried" thing, although on the other side, to be honest, most people that keep on trying end up finding a way. Even though instructing isn't well paid it's a great way to start.
Agree with you on the negative thing about Pprune, sometimes is daunting reading around here. Thought you were saying it because of my comments. When I'm negative at least I try to elaborate, but... agree that most people here is just negative for the sake of it.
Anyway... time to move on. Keep 'em coming!
Cheers / Pablo
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I admire the enthusiasm for aviation by all who post on here.
If you are young enough, military aviation will satisfy your needs. There really is nothing quite like ripping about the UK at low level. At 50 feet for rotary mates. 250 for fast movers. I do miss it.
GBP6000 per month net, instructional, home every night. Wife and kids love it. Not Saudi, Middle East and liberal. Not coming back to UK any time soon.
If you are young enough, military aviation will satisfy your needs. There really is nothing quite like ripping about the UK at low level. At 50 feet for rotary mates. 250 for fast movers. I do miss it.
GBP6000 per month net, instructional, home every night. Wife and kids love it. Not Saudi, Middle East and liberal. Not coming back to UK any time soon.
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I work in London, banking industry, age 33, married with one child. I work a very social 8:30 - 5:30. However the commute kills me. I travel some 90 miles to work daily, with a total daily commute of 3:30hrs (on a good day) which usually results in not being able to see my child until the weekend.
My issue is the associated costs with getting to work, over £6.5k per annum season ticket..... that's over £10k gross! Obviously reducing my disposable income, but if you want a cheaper, larger house and wish to live outside of the capital you're somewhat tied.
Gross income £45k (excl bonus which isn't looking good for this year!). Net income after tax, NI, pension etc is £2,400. This excludes the £550 per month cost of travel to work.
I would love to have a career change and have looked at the Modular route. I've already saved £15k but unfortunately my wife has stated that she wouldn't agree to support the career change to commercial pilot although she is supportive about a new career in the RAF (ground role as I'm too old)...... confused??????
My issue is the associated costs with getting to work, over £6.5k per annum season ticket..... that's over £10k gross! Obviously reducing my disposable income, but if you want a cheaper, larger house and wish to live outside of the capital you're somewhat tied.
Gross income £45k (excl bonus which isn't looking good for this year!). Net income after tax, NI, pension etc is £2,400. This excludes the £550 per month cost of travel to work.
I would love to have a career change and have looked at the Modular route. I've already saved £15k but unfortunately my wife has stated that she wouldn't agree to support the career change to commercial pilot although she is supportive about a new career in the RAF (ground role as I'm too old)...... confused??????
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Flaps To 60 I 100% agree with you. There is no way for an instance I would now give up my life time dream just because of what a few people say here. I can't believe some of the PM's I get telling me basically how stupid I am, some of them quite nasty! I was wishing that I had never posted here in the first place because it can be quite demotivating listening to so many people try and put you off, but after reading what you had to say, I'm glad I did post here.
It surprises me how people keep saying if you love flying then rent an aircraft at the weekends. Hobby flying and flying for a living don't compare in my eyes. It is true that I do love hobby flying and buzzing around in light aircraft, but surely every pilot has dreamt about flying an airliner? Well, even if they haven't....I have! My love of flying doesn't just stop at light aircraft, I would much rather fly something with a jet engine!
I was also encouraged by what MikeW66 wrote, thanks for that mate. Just goes to show it is possible, and even if I might be making a huge sacrifice, to me that sacrifice is worth it to fly.
As Flaps To 60 says, even if it all goes completely t*ts up, at least I tried. I can always fall back into my old job if need be (as much as I hate it), but it's definitly worth a try!
Cheers guys,
Ghandou
It surprises me how people keep saying if you love flying then rent an aircraft at the weekends. Hobby flying and flying for a living don't compare in my eyes. It is true that I do love hobby flying and buzzing around in light aircraft, but surely every pilot has dreamt about flying an airliner? Well, even if they haven't....I have! My love of flying doesn't just stop at light aircraft, I would much rather fly something with a jet engine!
I was also encouraged by what MikeW66 wrote, thanks for that mate. Just goes to show it is possible, and even if I might be making a huge sacrifice, to me that sacrifice is worth it to fly.
As Flaps To 60 says, even if it all goes completely t*ts up, at least I tried. I can always fall back into my old job if need be (as much as I hate it), but it's definitly worth a try!
Cheers guys,
Ghandou
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Remember Its your life and if you think that you want to fly ... so be it.
You make a choice and live with the consequences. If you want to fly go ahead and do it. but please do not live in the past viz 'I used to be at 150000 a year etc.."
You know by now what many people would think of you in a multi crew cockpit.
But Go ahead and make your life yours...
( Try asking what your family honestly thinks of it as well )
Remember Its your life and if you think that you want to fly ... so be it.
You make a choice and live with the consequences. If you want to fly go ahead and do it. but please do not live in the past viz 'I used to be at 150000 a year etc.."
You know by now what many people would think of you in a multi crew cockpit.
But Go ahead and make your life yours...
( Try asking what your family honestly thinks of it as well )
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Remember that most of us start with the same zeal as Flaps To 60, but after a few years' being pushed about by managers with half your IQ, the lack of a social life (from working nights, weekends and public holidays), not seeing your kids for days or weeks on end, dealing with incompetent security staff, ignorant passengers or thick colleagues, the whole industry loses its appeal. The flying remains good for most, but the crap that surrounds it makes it un-worthwhile if you can earn similar money another way.
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Condorbaaz, how I might conduct myself on the flight deck was not origianlly part of this conversation, and quite frankly I find what you've written offensive. Maybe what you write is how you conduct yourself, but don't assume for a minute people are like you. Also do you not think I've already spoken to my family about what they think? Do you think this is something that I've decided to do at the drop of a hat because I like the sound of flying?
What Whippersnapper writes sounds like a walk in the park compared to what I've been through in my current job, but I do know what you mean, the love of a job can easily be extinguished by management and people who have nothing better to do than make your life hell.
Anyways, my small off the cuff remark seems to have totally hijacked this thread. Sorry mods....now can we please continue on topic!
What Whippersnapper writes sounds like a walk in the park compared to what I've been through in my current job, but I do know what you mean, the love of a job can easily be extinguished by management and people who have nothing better to do than make your life hell.
Anyways, my small off the cuff remark seems to have totally hijacked this thread. Sorry mods....now can we please continue on topic!
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Shlarm47,
I say go for it! Despite being one of the world's grumpiest whingiest aircrew, I feel there are few better ways to earn your money other than being a porn star.
Flaps to 60,
Thanks for your post; a nice reminder why we do this job. Sometimes you lose the wood for the trees, but you can't lose the fact that we're up there and the rest of the world aint and they're not seeing those views/special moments.
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I say go for it! Despite being one of the world's grumpiest whingiest aircrew, I feel there are few better ways to earn your money other than being a porn star.
Flaps to 60,
Thanks for your post; a nice reminder why we do this job. Sometimes you lose the wood for the trees, but you can't lose the fact that we're up there and the rest of the world aint and they're not seeing those views/special moments.
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People like u bring the standards and QOL down for the rest. U would fly a multi million dollar aircraft with that level of responsiblity... for min wage??? I love flying my ass of too but let keep the job respectable....
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Whyflare,
If you're referring to me (which isn't clear whether you are), I'm not sure how you got the impression that I'd fly for min wage.
I don't and I wouldn't!
However you don't join the Military for money, you join it for the quality flying. Quite how that affects anyone's quality of life is beyond me!
If you're referring to me (which isn't clear whether you are), I'm not sure how you got the impression that I'd fly for min wage.
I don't and I wouldn't!
However you don't join the Military for money, you join it for the quality flying. Quite how that affects anyone's quality of life is beyond me!
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