FlyBe to acquire BA Connect (Crew thread - no spotters)
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See what I mean? Hudson, me old pal, that is utter Balls!
The 195 salary will be less than the Q400, will it? Where did you hear such nonsense? If the current pay deal goes through, by April '08 the basic entry level 195 Captain will earn £5654 more than his/ her Q400 equivalent.
the Jet people would like the difference to be more, but you make my point exactly: by and large people are trading rumours and speculation, almost all of it rubbish.
It helps no-one, most of all the people affected to peddle rumour as fact.
"The latest from Exeter", indeed. What, the city-center Macdonald's?
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Hudson,
I've had enough of your posts, what absolute rubbish!!
An E195 skipper on less that a Q400, it's time you 'woke up and smelt the coffee'. (The only way that would work is if the latter were a trainer or had more Service in Rank/PayPoint payments).
Save space on this Forum by not posting such utter drivvle!!!
The 195 is a phenomenal aircraft with already a 98% dispatch out of BHX.
Just a thought as well, if you left Flybe you would be taking a step back in technology of nearly 20 years to fly 'buses or boeings, this thing is what I want, as do many of my colleagues.
I've had enough of your posts, what absolute rubbish!!
An E195 skipper on less that a Q400, it's time you 'woke up and smelt the coffee'. (The only way that would work is if the latter were a trainer or had more Service in Rank/PayPoint payments).
Save space on this Forum by not posting such utter drivvle!!!
The 195 is a phenomenal aircraft with already a 98% dispatch out of BHX.
Just a thought as well, if you left Flybe you would be taking a step back in technology of nearly 20 years to fly 'buses or boeings, this thing is what I want, as do many of my colleagues.
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Keep your hair on guys!!!! This is a disscusion and rumour board. Forcing your views on other people is very childish.
I just do not understand why you tolerate the low wages and poor conditions. Of course to fly a 195. No engineering support, no reliability record, no towbars, no steps, no spare parts, no........ I'll stop. Looks nice though!! Can you walk under it??
Heard today that the seniority list is to be merged with BAcon so it may not have been worth it to hang around at flybe.
Anyway lets not get upset, life is just a game!!!! (Mission statement from Mac D's in central Exeter!!!!
I just do not understand why you tolerate the low wages and poor conditions. Of course to fly a 195. No engineering support, no reliability record, no towbars, no steps, no spare parts, no........ I'll stop. Looks nice though!! Can you walk under it??
Heard today that the seniority list is to be merged with BAcon so it may not have been worth it to hang around at flybe.
Anyway lets not get upset, life is just a game!!!! (Mission statement from Mac D's in central Exeter!!!!
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Are you just wilfully making stuff up, Hudson?
"heard today that seniority lists are to be merged..."
For the sake of all those who are presently worried sick and hungry for real news, please read this very carefully: Nothing has been decided, the CCs don't meet until tomorrow and anything at all that you have heard, invented or been imparted on engraved tablets is speculation, at best.
Please find another subject to make ill-informed (un-informed would be nearer the truth) commentary about. You are helping no-one here.
Oh, and by the way, I'm not "forcing my views..."; what I'm telling you is 100% fact.
Goodbye!
"heard today that seniority lists are to be merged..."
For the sake of all those who are presently worried sick and hungry for real news, please read this very carefully: Nothing has been decided, the CCs don't meet until tomorrow and anything at all that you have heard, invented or been imparted on engraved tablets is speculation, at best.
Please find another subject to make ill-informed (un-informed would be nearer the truth) commentary about. You are helping no-one here.
Oh, and by the way, I'm not "forcing my views..."; what I'm telling you is 100% fact.
Goodbye!
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I find it interesting that someone like HB who has proudly announced they have moved onto bigger and better things in their life professionally, still find the urge to revisit that good old haunt called flybe on a regular fashion!
They may pay less, have smaller aircraft blah blah blah, but something still keeps HB interested in the news, views and gossip of toy town regional flying.......ho hum.
They may pay less, have smaller aircraft blah blah blah, but something still keeps HB interested in the news, views and gossip of toy town regional flying.......ho hum.
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I don't give a monkey's A*** what I fly.
Whats important to me is how much I'm getting paid to fly it and how much time I get off to spend it with my family.
Simple as that.
Whats important to me is how much I'm getting paid to fly it and how much time I get off to spend it with my family.
Simple as that.
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I also heard today that the BAcon Pilots will go to the bottom of the seniority list. I think it is a done deal already despite what the CC's come to agree.
The Bottom line is they are coming to us not the other way round. If it were the other way around you can rest assured that we would have gone to the bottom of their list.
If they don't like it there is always Easy Jet!
I am sure most of the BAcon Pilots are considering them anyway. It would still be a far better place than Flybe that's for sure and you still have the opportunity to work in the regions as well.
The Bottom line is they are coming to us not the other way round. If it were the other way around you can rest assured that we would have gone to the bottom of their list.
If they don't like it there is always Easy Jet!
I am sure most of the BAcon Pilots are considering them anyway. It would still be a far better place than Flybe that's for sure and you still have the opportunity to work in the regions as well.
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2 quick points:
1) Don't be so sure the pay offer will get voted in by the BALPA members!
2) Those at BACon flying the 145 might find that they aren't overly attractive to Easy/Ryan etc unless they are willing to buy their own 737/A319 rating like all those over TRSS applicants. So for now its the Q400 or the dole queue. Their choice.
1) Don't be so sure the pay offer will get voted in by the BALPA members!
2) Those at BACon flying the 145 might find that they aren't overly attractive to Easy/Ryan etc unless they are willing to buy their own 737/A319 rating like all those over TRSS applicants. So for now its the Q400 or the dole queue. Their choice.
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Ba News !!
British Airways has announced that it has reached agreement in principle to sell the regional operation of its subsidiary airline BA Connect to Flybe.
BA Connect also operates from London City Airport and between Manchester and New York. These services will not form part of the proposed sale nor will the regional ground handling business, British Airways Regional Ltd.
Willie Walsh, British Airways chief executive said: “Point to point regional operations are not a strategic part of our business and we believe that such activities are better undertaken by a regional low cost airline.
“Despite the best efforts of the entire team at BA Connect, we do not see any prospect of profitability in its current form.
“The proposed sale to Flybe provides the best opportunity to secure the long-term future for the many dedicated staff in BA Connect. British Airways will have a 15 percent investment in Flybe on completion of the disposal.
“London City services complement our mainline business at Heathrow. For this reason they are not included in the proposed sale.”
It is envisaged that once the sale of the regional business of BA Connect to Flybe is completed, there will be a transition period until the start of the summer schedule on 25 March, 2007 while the handover of responsibilities is undertaken.
Info from today www.ba.com
Flybe agrees to acquire BA Connect
www.flybe.co.uk
BA Connect also operates from London City Airport and between Manchester and New York. These services will not form part of the proposed sale nor will the regional ground handling business, British Airways Regional Ltd.
Willie Walsh, British Airways chief executive said: “Point to point regional operations are not a strategic part of our business and we believe that such activities are better undertaken by a regional low cost airline.
“Despite the best efforts of the entire team at BA Connect, we do not see any prospect of profitability in its current form.
“The proposed sale to Flybe provides the best opportunity to secure the long-term future for the many dedicated staff in BA Connect. British Airways will have a 15 percent investment in Flybe on completion of the disposal.
“London City services complement our mainline business at Heathrow. For this reason they are not included in the proposed sale.”
It is envisaged that once the sale of the regional business of BA Connect to Flybe is completed, there will be a transition period until the start of the summer schedule on 25 March, 2007 while the handover of responsibilities is undertaken.
Info from today www.ba.com
Flybe agrees to acquire BA Connect
www.flybe.co.uk
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Tory,
Now I'm sure you are being deliberately obtuse. You have just made my point; you are NOT the messenger, you are a rumour-monger. Not the same thing at all, I think you would agree.
BMED,
Your point is well made, in fact it's pretty much the same words as Flybe put out ten days or so ago. The critical caveat is that Flybe is still going thru' what the management-speak enthusiasts call 'due diligence'. In normal language that means that nothing is signed, agreed or committed-to yet. Comme j'ai dit deja, everything else you hear is rumour and speculation.
Night, night.
Now I'm sure you are being deliberately obtuse. You have just made my point; you are NOT the messenger, you are a rumour-monger. Not the same thing at all, I think you would agree.
BMED,
Your point is well made, in fact it's pretty much the same words as Flybe put out ten days or so ago. The critical caveat is that Flybe is still going thru' what the management-speak enthusiasts call 'due diligence'. In normal language that means that nothing is signed, agreed or committed-to yet. Comme j'ai dit deja, everything else you hear is rumour and speculation.
Night, night.
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From the views expressed to me by the BACON colleagues I have flown with since the announcement, Flybe might well end up with a load of empty aicraft and no crews to fly them!
Every single pilot I've flown with is trying their hardest to get out!!
Good luck to all, leavers and stayers alike!
Every single pilot I've flown with is trying their hardest to get out!!
Good luck to all, leavers and stayers alike!
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..........Those at BACon flying the 145 might find that they aren't overly attractive to Easy/Ryan etc unless they are willing to buy their own 737/A319 rating like all those over TRSS applicants. So for now its the Q400 or the dole queue. Their choice.
I'm not so sure, rumour has it that EZY now accept the 146 and 145 as DEP ie they pay type rating, you get bonded. Even consider them as DEC if you have sufficient experience
I'm not so sure, rumour has it that EZY now accept the 146 and 145 as DEP ie they pay type rating, you get bonded. Even consider them as DEC if you have sufficient experience
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brain fade, tristar 500,
Just wondering where you got the information regarding the flybe/loganair franchise deal which you suggest may be announced shortly?
Loganair have just sent letters to all it's employees satisfactorily announcing that year end Mar 2006 was their best year financially yet and quote "In an ever changing aviation scene - as witnessed by the recent announcement of the sale of BA connect to flybe - a strong Balance Sheet gives us more confidence for the future - whether it be to facilitate fleet expansion when we identify new commercial opportunities.........". This letter comes with notification of a generous bonus to thank all employees for their hard work. This doesn't sound like an airline about to lose its present franchise status in the short term (the BA franchise renewal isn't up till Mar 2008).
Even then, what does WW have to gain by removing Loganair as a franchise?? Loganair could still feed the EDI/GLA/ABZ - London flights with transit pax and pay BA for the privilage. Loganair will use a third party for handling at these airports and all BA have to do is collect some cash for doing nothing!!
Who knows what the future holds at Yogi bear but I would've thought that flybe will have enough going on with BAcon to bother about them for the moment.
Just wondering where you got the information regarding the flybe/loganair franchise deal which you suggest may be announced shortly?
Loganair have just sent letters to all it's employees satisfactorily announcing that year end Mar 2006 was their best year financially yet and quote "In an ever changing aviation scene - as witnessed by the recent announcement of the sale of BA connect to flybe - a strong Balance Sheet gives us more confidence for the future - whether it be to facilitate fleet expansion when we identify new commercial opportunities.........". This letter comes with notification of a generous bonus to thank all employees for their hard work. This doesn't sound like an airline about to lose its present franchise status in the short term (the BA franchise renewal isn't up till Mar 2008).
Even then, what does WW have to gain by removing Loganair as a franchise?? Loganair could still feed the EDI/GLA/ABZ - London flights with transit pax and pay BA for the privilage. Loganair will use a third party for handling at these airports and all BA have to do is collect some cash for doing nothing!!
Who knows what the future holds at Yogi bear but I would've thought that flybe will have enough going on with BAcon to bother about them for the moment.
According to a forum headed by Regional and London Management for the Regional Staff, Loganair does not 'fit' with BAs longterm plan. WW trying to get out of ALL franchise deals, LC being the one that costs BA the most to look after on the ground. LC will very shortly - if not sooner if WW had his way - go their own way. This came from one of the managers at one of the forums!
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It cant be all that bad...
Come on everyone. Look at the bright side as well. As I said before, I enjoy my job on the q400 very much. And yes there are of course things to be sorted out just like any other airline.
When it comes to news.....
We in Flybe don't know much either. No clue what they will do with the seniority list. I still think merging by PLACE on list and not doj is probably the fairest solution, but I said all this before...
We in Flybe have alll worked hard to make the company what it is today. You guys in BA Connect have worked hard for what we (hopefully) are getting. That means it's all of our joint effort's, present and past, that will make Flybe what it will be after January. Lets all try to sort this out as positively as we can.
As for rumors....
We are under the impression that Flybe will ground all the Dash 8-300's and retrain the pilots on the Q400. Surely that cant be a bad thing?
The rest of the BA fleet will be phased out over the next to years and replaced with the Q400 and E195 as we get them.
I have also heard the rumor about Flybe and Logan Air. Dont know any more than just that, exept that Logan Air wants out of the BA frenchise as it's apperantly not that great for them.
Anyway, best of luck to all of us. The future is bright (Not orange)
When it comes to news.....
We in Flybe don't know much either. No clue what they will do with the seniority list. I still think merging by PLACE on list and not doj is probably the fairest solution, but I said all this before... We in Flybe have alll worked hard to make the company what it is today. You guys in BA Connect have worked hard for what we (hopefully) are getting. That means it's all of our joint effort's, present and past, that will make Flybe what it will be after January. Lets all try to sort this out as positively as we can.
As for rumors....
We are under the impression that Flybe will ground all the Dash 8-300's and retrain the pilots on the Q400. Surely that cant be a bad thing?
The rest of the BA fleet will be phased out over the next to years and replaced with the Q400 and E195 as we get them.
I have also heard the rumor about Flybe and Logan Air. Dont know any more than just that, exept that Logan Air wants out of the BA frenchise as it's apperantly not that great for them.
Anyway, best of luck to all of us. The future is bright (Not orange)
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