FlyBe to acquire BA Connect (Crew thread - no spotters)
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British Airways Regional Staff
I work in the passenger services department at BHX and we do not have a clue what is going on although we are assuming we will be out of a job as when the Flybe deal goes through we will only have Eastern Airways and Brussels Airlines to handle and I dont see WW keeping us going for that.
I personally fear like others that BA ground staff will no longer exist outside of London and WW is just waiting to drop the bombshell around Xmas time.
I just want to know wether to get out now or hold on for a little bit of severence after 5 years with BA only time will tell I suppose.
I personally fear like others that BA ground staff will no longer exist outside of London and WW is just waiting to drop the bombshell around Xmas time.
I just want to know wether to get out now or hold on for a little bit of severence after 5 years with BA only time will tell I suppose.
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Regional bases...all BA staff redundant
Paul,the lady in question doing the rounds is Beverley Bennett.The message is that all BA groundstaff in the regional airports are to be made redundant.No redeployment offers or opportunities due to the numbers of staff involved.BA services that continue to operate such as flights to and from LHR/LGW will be handled by third parties.
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The dispatcher who got on our flight yesterday confirmed that all the ground staff in the regions would be made redundant. A total of 800 job losses. There was talk of a possible TUPE transfer to whoever would be doing FlyBE's ground handling. However we all know such promises are worthless. After all some of my colleagues are still awaiting their TUPE transfer to Eastern Airways after the LBA Junkstream fiasco.
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Thanks for the response guys it has been confirmed an hour ago that all the work is going to be tendered out! its a shame for the staff that will be affected, nice Xmas to look forward to now eh! i work for the handling agent so only the BA Connect flights are a problem to us as for the LHR/LGW/BLL and the GB flts is biz as usual
It it true they are slashing the JFK down to 3 flights a week?
It it true they are slashing the JFK down to 3 flights a week?
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Well it did not take Flybe(BA Connect) long to sh
on the engineering base in the IOM.
In what would otherwise be amusing circumstances we have the IOM minister of Trade and Industry saying rumours about the base closing were ‘scurrilous’ while at the same time the closure announcement was being made on the local radio.
Presumably any grants from the Govt given to build the facility will now have to be paid back.
Best wishes to all those staff involved and hope you all find new work soon
on the engineering base in the IOM. In what would otherwise be amusing circumstances we have the IOM minister of Trade and Industry saying rumours about the base closing were ‘scurrilous’ while at the same time the closure announcement was being made on the local radio.
Presumably any grants from the Govt given to build the facility will now have to be paid back.
Best wishes to all those staff involved and hope you all find new work soon
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I can't honestly see how the rock's maintenance facility could be viable without massive IOM Govt support to whoever is operating it unless there were large numbers of locally based aircraft using it.
Perhaps IOMG Plc is not happy pumping cash into an operation which does not share the kudos of a national carrier? Maybe Euromanx might be interested in inheriting the site?
Perhaps IOMG Plc is not happy pumping cash into an operation which does not share the kudos of a national carrier? Maybe Euromanx might be interested in inheriting the site?
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thank you david evans ,your Qand A letter explained everything....that being, you havent the guts to say whats planned for your staff..pilots to aircraft cleaners have been left in orbit at BHX....merry f in xmas
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I can't honestly see how the rock's maintenance facility could be viable without massive IOM Govt support to whoever is operating it unless there were large numbers of locally based aircraft using it.
Perhaps IOMG Plc is not happy pumping cash into an operation which does not share the kudos of a national carrier? Maybe Euromanx might be interested in inheriting the site?
Perhaps IOMG Plc is not happy pumping cash into an operation which does not share the kudos of a national carrier? Maybe Euromanx might be interested in inheriting the site?
Hilarious that a goverment minister on the rock made a public a**e of himself over this!. Alex D would make a great BA board member!!!.
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EuroManx actually own their dash's but lease the ATR. You are right though, why would EM want a hangar with their fleet size!
Link about IOM hangar closing
http://www.manxradio.com/readItem.as...6&cate=General
Link about IOM hangar closing
http://www.manxradio.com/readItem.as...6&cate=General
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The IOM base facility can process a fleet of 35 aircraft and it is these sort of numbers that would be required to make it pay.
The reason Manx Airlines set up the facility in the first place was beacuse the rates in the UK were too expensive and BM was getting ready for the shiny 737, Introduction of the ERJ 145 meant another bay.
The new FlyBe regional aircraft maintenance facility must be one of the biggest in Europe and can take on all the work that is being done in IOM as well as it's own and third party.
This is not good for the IOM or the airline industry as many of the skilled aircraft engineers will leave the industry.
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The reason Manx Airlines set up the facility in the first place was beacuse the rates in the UK were too expensive and BM was getting ready for the shiny 737, Introduction of the ERJ 145 meant another bay.
The new FlyBe regional aircraft maintenance facility must be one of the biggest in Europe and can take on all the work that is being done in IOM as well as it's own and third party.
This is not good for the IOM or the airline industry as many of the skilled aircraft engineers will leave the industry.
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Slots.
Just a small point - Anotherflapoperator- in addition to the 3 slots at LHR used from the IOM, there were the Brymon ones for the PLH-LHR route.
Together they added up to some millions.
Together they added up to some millions.
We have heard nowt in engineering except that all ground handling is to be outsourced. Whether that includes us is anyones guess.
Good luck all it was nice working with you.
Good luck all it was nice working with you.
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There is a huge opportunity here for an investor. Zero corporation tax, and if resident, a £ 100,000 cap on personal income tax. The possibility for bizjet maintenance could be a runner. It would be tragic to see this go down the tubes.
There most be someone out there? Amsair?
There most be someone out there? Amsair?
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Ok Sorry.
Southampton closed at the end of the summer schedule. The aircraft based there was moved to EDI and either MAN or BHX. Routes still operated but only EDI and MAN.
EDI. GLA etc.... Yes BA have been having meetings. Did not reveal all in the meetings, but basically using the BACON deal as an excuse to pull out of handling in the regions and put it out for tender.
Ba have been very good about not giving too much away at the moment. Do not want to pi$$ of the staff and cause a strike!! The feeling in from EDI ground staff is that BA will retain a few customer service staff but the rest will be contracted out. (Just like the ground handling in MAN)
As for BA in MAN. After March there will still be the LHR & LGW Shuttle flights and the GB flights.
If you are already working for the handling agent in MAN, then this should not affect you. It will only be BA employed staff (check-in, gate staff etc)...... well, and those that do ground handling for BACON.
Hope that helps answer you questions.
P.S. none of this is FACT as yet, just speculation
Southampton closed at the end of the summer schedule. The aircraft based there was moved to EDI and either MAN or BHX. Routes still operated but only EDI and MAN.
EDI. GLA etc.... Yes BA have been having meetings. Did not reveal all in the meetings, but basically using the BACON deal as an excuse to pull out of handling in the regions and put it out for tender.
Ba have been very good about not giving too much away at the moment. Do not want to pi$$ of the staff and cause a strike!! The feeling in from EDI ground staff is that BA will retain a few customer service staff but the rest will be contracted out. (Just like the ground handling in MAN)
As for BA in MAN. After March there will still be the LHR & LGW Shuttle flights and the GB flights.
If you are already working for the handling agent in MAN, then this should not affect you. It will only be BA employed staff (check-in, gate staff etc)...... well, and those that do ground handling for BACON.
Hope that helps answer you questions.
P.S. none of this is FACT as yet, just speculation
Where did you get your info from?
As far as the 'entire' EDI ground staff community are aware, its 'lights out' for us all. Although not officially advised by BA, what we do know is not good...
IE we in the regions EDI GLA ABZ and MAN are NOT cost effective, we are NOT competative in the handling business and we are NOT part of WW big plan. All Regional ground handling has been put out to tender - that has been confirmed. Loganair will also go to a handling agent in Scotland, as BA really have no time for them and the cost implications of handling them are astronomical. Allegedly they get a complete turnaround for around £18.00! T5 will be the centre piece of BA operations, with the regions, Europe and Longhaul stations being handled by Agents. Minimal cost, no pensions, no staff travel and no accommodation/equipement problems at each airport. That with the fact that EZY are milking BA dry on LGW especially, then to be honest it isnt looking good. We will be advised on Christmas Eve by Beverley 'Chopper' Bennett - the BA staff member in charge of The UK Regions, LGW and International... Had her at a forum this week in Scotland. Didnt tell us anything we didnt know already. Said all but we are out.
Hope this clears up some doubts about staff being retained. I will be very happy and surprised if I am in employment with BA in the regions on April 01 2007.
PS - Your point regarding a strike may not be too far off the mark... Iam not suggesting that there will, should or indeed be one but the talk on the ground is one of bitterness, anger and complete dismay. The regions have put up with quite a lot of 'you know what' over the last 18 months with understaffing, lack of serviceable equipement and complete lack of managerial leadership. This is the 'Final approach' of a long and turbulent flight.
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Why NOT strike then?
Wouldn't blame you if you did!
BA are saying nothing as the only news they can give out is BAD!
Better for them to say nothing, or make deliberately ambiguous comments, as to tell the truth means the BACon operation will never make it through until the spring!
You're letting them away with it.
Wouldn't blame you if you did!
BA are saying nothing as the only news they can give out is BAD!
Better for them to say nothing, or make deliberately ambiguous comments, as to tell the truth means the BACon operation will never make it through until the spring!
You're letting them away with it.
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mmmmmmm
this guy means business..he will close down all bases that are not commercially viable, farm out all ground handling at staions that dont warrant ba ground staff...all but lhr and usa stations. I'm cabin crew at lhr but was prev crew for bacx at man. my crew manager told me 2 years ago to get my arse to london if i wanted to work for BA. She also said that BA at LGW will be no longer once T5 opens. They'll move LH flights up to lhr...manipulate the bermuda 11 agreement if needs be and get rid of lgw sh........if you think this is a load of crap, lets see march 28th 2008
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Yes, those of you unfortunate enough to be suffering the uncertainty of working at LGW should be looking closely at how they slice away at Bacon, BAR and BA staff in the regions. This has been spun to the media as just the sale of Bacon to an up and coming profitable company with lots of "job security / continuation". It is now becoming clear that this mst have been in the planning wver since WW spent time shadowing RE and there is probably a large team of "Redeployment consultants" behind te scenes looking into how to lose as many people as possible as cheaply as possible using every loophole in the law they can possible find.