BA pilots 'prepared to strike'?
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sikeano - I, along with most of my colleagues, am not proud of our record of strike action during the past few summers. If any of the actions have affected you personally, then, speaking as an employee who is proud to fly the BA flag, I apologise. However, it does surely beg the question in this day and age, when management and workers are supposed to parley on first-name and equal terms, why relations break down to such an extent that people are ready to walk out? Does it not perhaps suggest to you that we have some lousy managers (some good ones too, it must be said!)
Fortunately, I think WW has recognised this and I hope manages to rid the airline of the "square pegs" so that we can move forward together.
The pensions issue needs resolving, but I don't think industrial action is a real concern in the short term - only if management remain intransigent. WW has a record of being tough, but fair, and I am sure that, ultimately, a solution acceptable to both sides will be forthcoming.
Meanwhile, more peoples' are being shafted over their pensions:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=224809
Fortunately, I think WW has recognised this and I hope manages to rid the airline of the "square pegs" so that we can move forward together.
The pensions issue needs resolving, but I don't think industrial action is a real concern in the short term - only if management remain intransigent. WW has a record of being tough, but fair, and I am sure that, ultimately, a solution acceptable to both sides will be forthcoming.
Meanwhile, more peoples' are being shafted over their pensions:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=224809
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This story might be of interest to some - it relates to employees being legitimately sacked for refusing to accept new pension arrangements, particularly where there is a "sound, good business reason" for the change in pension provision.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4753703.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4753703.stm
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Why work for BA then ?
People working for BA are always moaning ! As a passenger, I have stopped flying BA because all I hear is doom and gloom. The company treats everyone like S*** and people are always either threatening to strike, leaving or being fired. Even the catering companies hate them. Time before last when I travelled the APU was not working and water peed out of the A/C system onto my lunch while crew allowed a passenger to get steadily more drunk and start to get out of control. To top that on the next flight in europe we had to put up with no food while Business class had lunch ! Smart move BA - last time for me. Prices change without warning and the service is second rate - I am talking ground here most of the time!
Why o why does everyone who works for this operation put up with it. LEAVE !
PS I know the APU is not that important but if it had been that three engined flight accross the pond and ..............you know. Also it makes me think what else is not working and why when 300 people are on board are those risks acceptable.BA is not AIR BONGO or is it ?
Why o why does everyone who works for this operation put up with it. LEAVE !
PS I know the APU is not that important but if it had been that three engined flight accross the pond and ..............you know. Also it makes me think what else is not working and why when 300 people are on board are those risks acceptable.BA is not AIR BONGO or is it ?
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bealine dude
i did not mean to be rude i never been affected by strike from ba that is the only airline i use when i travel as a slf it is sometimes more comfortable than the herc which transports me and the girls are definetly good looking in ba than in mine .dude if you think you are been cheated and strike is the only action go for it .I reckon when you look at the big picture (my view is biased here due to reading rubbish in newspapers ) the big pension hole in ba which needs to be filled and good old ww is filling it by asking you guys to work longer so in five years time it might breakeven
.my reckoning is that plonker bob ayling should be shot for wasting all money on paints and having too many freeloaders on ba's payroll
i did not mean to be rude i never been affected by strike from ba that is the only airline i use when i travel as a slf it is sometimes more comfortable than the herc which transports me and the girls are definetly good looking in ba than in mine .dude if you think you are been cheated and strike is the only action go for it .I reckon when you look at the big picture (my view is biased here due to reading rubbish in newspapers ) the big pension hole in ba which needs to be filled and good old ww is filling it by asking you guys to work longer so in five years time it might breakeven
.my reckoning is that plonker bob ayling should be shot for wasting all money on paints and having too many freeloaders on ba's payroll
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The last two contributions are surely a reflection of the 'BA Way' if 'Northlights' wishes to make a comment that is his perogative. The issue that it may not be relavant to the true spirit of the thread is another matter. It certainly does not have to be drivel either as if that is the case then 90% of the musings on the subject are no more than drivel. Some of us at BA are concerned for the passengers services and do not spend all of our time winging, I can assure northlights that 'safety' is still our first priority and please accept my apologies.
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Originally Posted by Hand Solo
Just two posts northernlights? Wonder if your first one was as much drivel.
Please note the difference in user-names before attributing such rubbish to me!
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Northern Lights we have an extensive customer services department. If you have received a service below the standard that you expect, require please formalise your observations with our company. It will be appreciated further than this forum can offer you.
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Originally Posted by Waka Rider
Northern Lights we have an extensive customer services department. If you have received a service below the standard that you expect, require please formalise your observations with our company. It will be appreciated further than this forum can offer you.
Is an inability to read a requirement in BA?
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Thats quite right Northern Lights BA taught me to fly not to read that blame lies with Christs College, never realised the popularity of your name my mistake find it amazing that there are so many of you out there. It must be difficult
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Defending my position
Correct, I am a client not flight crew. I was making an observation as it seems there is much unhappiness within the organisation and it filters through to the passengers when you travel.
Furthermore the number of posts I have made does not mean I don't understand the system. I was flying BOAC, DAN AIR and many others in days when service and reputaion counted for something. Complaining to customer services got me a standard letter so I just can't be bothered to pursue it - press one , press 4 , press 3, press eject !
Dont' use safety as an excuse either, anyone can do that , you have rules to follow or the CAA will ground you.
Accept that moral needs to be looked at and that all the meetings and more meetings and more meetings about the meetings etc will not solve it.
Give your guys something to smile about in the morning and see what happens to your profits then. People make a business work and thier attitude and actions determine the success of that operation.
At Virgin they are nice and make an effort even if they might have the odd flight attendant who doesn't like flying they seem alot more interested.
PS Also their transatlantic flights are done with four engines not three !
Furthermore the number of posts I have made does not mean I don't understand the system. I was flying BOAC, DAN AIR and many others in days when service and reputaion counted for something. Complaining to customer services got me a standard letter so I just can't be bothered to pursue it - press one , press 4 , press 3, press eject !
Dont' use safety as an excuse either, anyone can do that , you have rules to follow or the CAA will ground you.
Accept that moral needs to be looked at and that all the meetings and more meetings and more meetings about the meetings etc will not solve it.
Give your guys something to smile about in the morning and see what happens to your profits then. People make a business work and thier attitude and actions determine the success of that operation.
At Virgin they are nice and make an effort even if they might have the odd flight attendant who doesn't like flying they seem alot more interested.
PS Also their transatlantic flights are done with four engines not three !
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hi !
from the other side of the channel .....
here, we have a huge problem with the legal age of retirement also !
would like to know what's goin' on by your side, specially for BA's pilots ! will it be 60 or are you gonna do the big jump to 65 promptly ( I can't believe it....!!) ! I was also wondering what is the max. for your CAA ?
and finally does anybody know if the FAA has increased the age of retirement (60 ) for the US pilots (as the ICAO decided to stand for 65...)
p.s : sorry for my poor english
from the other side of the channel .....
here, we have a huge problem with the legal age of retirement also !
would like to know what's goin' on by your side, specially for BA's pilots ! will it be 60 or are you gonna do the big jump to 65 promptly ( I can't believe it....!!) ! I was also wondering what is the max. for your CAA ?
and finally does anybody know if the FAA has increased the age of retirement (60 ) for the US pilots (as the ICAO decided to stand for 65...)
p.s : sorry for my poor english
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This thread seems to have been running forever. Not seen or heard of a strike.
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You can bet on the strike, the timing of which is a function of BA's imposition, possibly via the trustees of the BA pension scheme, of terms that will represent a cut in remuneration of such magnitude that BA's pilots will be united in their opposition as never before.
Meanwhile, BA carry-on with the campaign of low-level harassment of the flight crew workforce designed to up the turnover of flight crew to a level "comparable with industries outside aviation". A cleverly instituted policy of "everyone is the same" leaves flightcrew facing awesome responsibility yet receiving no acknowledgement of it from BA at a corporate level such that "command" becomes a hollow word: who will act on a Commander's wishes if it is demonstrably obvious that BA pay no respect to the holders of such a position?
If you dare to be ill, expect a sickness policy designed for an office-based organisation that takes no account of the physiological effect of flight on the human body, such that people who are patently ill come to work to avoid being placed in an Orwellian programme of attendance management that is an insult to flight professionals and a threat to flight safety.
BA's work current work allocation arrangements are based on seniority and so transparent, yet BA plan a system of near permanent reserve for their crew, where drafting at 7 days notice would be a regular feature of a roster that PLANS to achieve the legal LIMIT wherever possible. The fact that this will render great chunks of family life all but impossible is just too bad, eh, in an airline that "tours" its shorthaul pilots in hotels in Europe as well as seeking the legal limit on flying hours from its longhaul crew. But that’s OK, as divorce is a career hazard for flightcrew, isn't it, and anyway, the little s@ds deserve it for the loaf of a job they enjoy, eh?!
Meanwhile, across the organisation, morale plummets and repetitive faults appear on aircraft maintained by a fantastic group of professionals who BA have abused for years - its engineers. They are, it appears to me, overwhelmed by the never-ending re-organisation from the latest whiz kid desperate to make his mark and move on up the management food chain.
But a low morale, high-turnover, declining experience-base workforce is just fine because it will make it CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and boy, that is where we have to go to keep those 250% management bonuses rolling-in.
Don’t worry though, because "safety is our first priority". Right. Bring on the strike - lets get it over with and leave aviation to that great customer service expert, Mike O L@ary, and his men from the Emerald Isle. They care, and it shows, (witness any documentary coming your way soon), and with the IAA in charge, all will be well for sure.
Meanwhile, BA carry-on with the campaign of low-level harassment of the flight crew workforce designed to up the turnover of flight crew to a level "comparable with industries outside aviation". A cleverly instituted policy of "everyone is the same" leaves flightcrew facing awesome responsibility yet receiving no acknowledgement of it from BA at a corporate level such that "command" becomes a hollow word: who will act on a Commander's wishes if it is demonstrably obvious that BA pay no respect to the holders of such a position?
If you dare to be ill, expect a sickness policy designed for an office-based organisation that takes no account of the physiological effect of flight on the human body, such that people who are patently ill come to work to avoid being placed in an Orwellian programme of attendance management that is an insult to flight professionals and a threat to flight safety.
BA's work current work allocation arrangements are based on seniority and so transparent, yet BA plan a system of near permanent reserve for their crew, where drafting at 7 days notice would be a regular feature of a roster that PLANS to achieve the legal LIMIT wherever possible. The fact that this will render great chunks of family life all but impossible is just too bad, eh, in an airline that "tours" its shorthaul pilots in hotels in Europe as well as seeking the legal limit on flying hours from its longhaul crew. But that’s OK, as divorce is a career hazard for flightcrew, isn't it, and anyway, the little s@ds deserve it for the loaf of a job they enjoy, eh?!
Meanwhile, across the organisation, morale plummets and repetitive faults appear on aircraft maintained by a fantastic group of professionals who BA have abused for years - its engineers. They are, it appears to me, overwhelmed by the never-ending re-organisation from the latest whiz kid desperate to make his mark and move on up the management food chain.
But a low morale, high-turnover, declining experience-base workforce is just fine because it will make it CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP and boy, that is where we have to go to keep those 250% management bonuses rolling-in.
Don’t worry though, because "safety is our first priority". Right. Bring on the strike - lets get it over with and leave aviation to that great customer service expert, Mike O L@ary, and his men from the Emerald Isle. They care, and it shows, (witness any documentary coming your way soon), and with the IAA in charge, all will be well for sure.
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