BA pilots 'prepared to strike'?
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Maidenhead
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
False Capture
Why do you think a gulf exists between us penguins and the Nigels
Yours is exactly the philosophy that creates the mis-trust around the airline.
A crass few impacted on the vast majority tho care about having a strong profitable BA - if only to pay the mortgage and bills .
Get in the real world
Why do you think a gulf exists between us penguins and the Nigels
Yours is exactly the philosophy that creates the mis-trust around the airline.
A crass few impacted on the vast majority tho care about having a strong profitable BA - if only to pay the mortgage and bills .
Get in the real world
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Too close to the airport
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hmmm...
I like the sound of timing a strike to coincide with the World Cup. Good PR stunt.
The thing is, it wouldn't really have any effect:
The airline will be shut down anyway over that period by the drivers / baggage handlers and CCrew taking sickies.
Oooooh hush my foul mouth!
I like the sound of timing a strike to coincide with the World Cup. Good PR stunt.
The thing is, it wouldn't really have any effect:
The airline will be shut down anyway over that period by the drivers / baggage handlers and CCrew taking sickies.
Oooooh hush my foul mouth!
Join Date: May 2005
Location: london
Posts: 28
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Retirement age proposed at 60-65 today.....70 in ten years in line with increased life expectancy/ improved health etc? It seems that WW will get his way, ie work his frontline "hounds" into the ground while pulling the chains.
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
scotsflyingboy: having worked at tesco in the past I can guarantee you would soon be wishing you could spend you last 5 working years at BA instead.
most people at 55 who retire these days are quickly bored and enjoy being back at work. given that people are going to live till they are 80 on average very few people want to spend 25 years doing nothing
remember - you quickly become senile when you're bored and stop using your brain.
most people at 55 who retire these days are quickly bored and enjoy being back at work. given that people are going to live till they are 80 on average very few people want to spend 25 years doing nothing
remember - you quickly become senile when you're bored and stop using your brain.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 361
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Perhaps this document formed the basis of the extended retirement age...
From "New Scientist" i believe...
"After conductive research into the age death rate of longhaul pilots, it was said that if a longhaul pilot retires at 55, he/she on average will have approximately 17 years to live. If that same pilot retires at 65, this is considerable reduced to 18 months."
From "New Scientist" i believe...
"After conductive research into the age death rate of longhaul pilots, it was said that if a longhaul pilot retires at 55, he/she on average will have approximately 17 years to live. If that same pilot retires at 65, this is considerable reduced to 18 months."
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: Twyford, UK
Posts: 492
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Having read the Times online tonight, that BA staff (Excluding Pilots) will have to work another 10 years to preserve their Pension, I tried to put myself in their position. They have worked for BA for years, brought it up to the worlds most profitable airline, and then get the spear by being told "Sorry Chum...another ten years for you" The House in Spain and the easy life, to do all the things you couldn't do 'cos you were working all the shift patterns devised. Can you imagine the sick feeling in your stomach and the despair.?? I am a BA Pensioner, so it shouldn't affect me (I HOPE.!!) but if I were still there today, I would definitely be out there on the picket line. The airline would have brought me and my family to our knees. Why shouldn't I help to do that to BA.?? I have NEVER felt like that even during the darker days, and I have never gone on strike, but putting myself in the shoes of people affected, I have to say this would be one almighty justified action and a David and Goliath confrontation with slick Willie.
What will be next.?? Staff Travel.?? Almost certainly. and that WOULD affect me.!
What will be next.?? Staff Travel.?? Almost certainly. and that WOULD affect me.!
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Camp X-Ray
Posts: 2,135
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Well put Taildragger, but it's only the restrictions on overflights with a commander older than 60 thats holding BA back from making pilots work to 65 too. As soon as that restriction is lifted, and I believe it will be, we'd be working to 65 too if BA had their way! An extra 10 years at the asylum that is LHR? I don't think so.
I wonder how the guys in their early 50s are feeling right now.
I wonder how the guys in their early 50s are feeling right now.
Join Date: May 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 73
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
And how are the guys at 60 feeling?
I have been employed by 7 companys in my 15 years out of the military and have yet to write a letter of rsignation.
If I am to avoid self stacking I need to work for as long my licence allows - so the french aand spanish are not my favoured nations.
All of us have been expecting to live a 1990s span on a 1940's saving rate. You guys at BA are unforntuante that the 'cat has come home on your watch'.
Best you can do is to press for crystalisation and accept your fate.
That or stop blustering and lnock off work.
I have been employed by 7 companys in my 15 years out of the military and have yet to write a letter of rsignation.
If I am to avoid self stacking I need to work for as long my licence allows - so the french aand spanish are not my favoured nations.
All of us have been expecting to live a 1990s span on a 1940's saving rate. You guys at BA are unforntuante that the 'cat has come home on your watch'.
Best you can do is to press for crystalisation and accept your fate.
That or stop blustering and lnock off work.
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: somewhere
Posts: 249
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actuarial estimates are closely guarded figures, for obvious reasons. BUT, guestimates (and that's all they are) are that pilots who retire at 55 live to an average of 78. Pilots who retire at 60 live to an average of 74 and the pension hole virtually disappears , only 14 years of payouts as against 23. So if you work until 65 and the average age of shuffling off this mortal coil is then lowered even further to say, 72, then the pension fund will be overflowing.
It is in the company interest to get you to work as long as possible as their liability to you in pension payouts decreases expotentially.
It is in the company interest to get you to work as long as possible as their liability to you in pension payouts decreases expotentially.
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Great Britain
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Ba pilots 'prepared to strike'
Originally Posted by Anti-ice
Perhaps this document formed the basis of the extended retirement age...
From "New Scientist" i believe...
"After conductive research into the age death rate of longhaul pilots, it was said that if a longhaul pilot retires at 55, he/she on average will have approximately 17 years to live. If that same pilot retires at 65, this is considerable reduced to 18 months."
From "New Scientist" i believe...
"After conductive research into the age death rate of longhaul pilots, it was said that if a longhaul pilot retires at 55, he/she on average will have approximately 17 years to live. If that same pilot retires at 65, this is considerable reduced to 18 months."
Couldonlyaffordafiver
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: The Twilight Zone near 30W
Posts: 1,934
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you want to fly beyond 55, feel free. I'll never criticise someone who makes that CHOICE. I will not be forced to do so.
My guess is WW would be forced out by the City before BA goes under anyway.
My guess is WW would be forced out by the City before BA goes under anyway.
Join Date: May 1999
Location: Overseas
Posts: 203
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Renrut its the fact thats it has become a personnel issue that is the problem. If it was my (ie personal) issue I wouldn't mind.
52 the pedant (to be seen on a picket line near you soon).
52 the pedant (to be seen on a picket line near you soon).
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 20
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Sorry guys the world is different now towhen you went to Hamble. I started late and at 54 need to work to 65 if I can. From the sounds of it I don't wantto work at LHR or LGW. I could not get past page 1 on the application form (>49 yrs) which may well be a blessing. My job pays OK and I am not in an office or on a motorway or stacking shelves.
Each one of you needs to look outside and see how well off you are. Cut your cloth, reduce your hours, decide who is paid to ensure the future of the company (via the stisfied shareholders) and who is paid to fly the aeroplanes, manage thecabin, paythe wages. etc. You can apply for those jobs as they become vacant. Do them for 10 years and see how you feel: my guess is you wouldnot last 10 years pr you wouldbe there already.
No more job for life, live with the chznges, make the most of it or not. DO you have the right to mess with the travellers lives, mostof them risking more lifestyle changes everyday than you? Think of your wedding anniversary venue, son's graduation, golf club christmas bash, daughter's first-born - whathappens if the staff at any one of those locations closed up shopon your day on a pay dispute? You would understand, wouldn't you? You would be very happy thatthay were making their point in such a way.... But then, you live in France anyway.
Go on, strike.
Each one of you needs to look outside and see how well off you are. Cut your cloth, reduce your hours, decide who is paid to ensure the future of the company (via the stisfied shareholders) and who is paid to fly the aeroplanes, manage thecabin, paythe wages. etc. You can apply for those jobs as they become vacant. Do them for 10 years and see how you feel: my guess is you wouldnot last 10 years pr you wouldbe there already.
No more job for life, live with the chznges, make the most of it or not. DO you have the right to mess with the travellers lives, mostof them risking more lifestyle changes everyday than you? Think of your wedding anniversary venue, son's graduation, golf club christmas bash, daughter's first-born - whathappens if the staff at any one of those locations closed up shopon your day on a pay dispute? You would understand, wouldn't you? You would be very happy thatthay were making their point in such a way.... But then, you live in France anyway.
Go on, strike.