Jet2 757 Fleet?
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No, I didn't say you, are you Plop Function as well?
Cos it was Plop that said Jet2 pilots were "The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline" Not fair really now is it?
Staying for a year ain't no hardship is it?
I'm off to the pub, it's xmas eve you know!
Cos it was Plop that said Jet2 pilots were "The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline" Not fair really now is it?
Staying for a year ain't no hardship is it?
I'm off to the pub, it's xmas eve you know!
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Pulp Fiction's sim qualities
Pulp Fiction, you wrote:
"The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline"
Presumably your own sim qualities are well in excess of Jet2's requirements, so perhaps you would be good enough to share with us your latest sim report - no need to be modest about it.
"The only crew who stay with them are those who can't pass an assessment with any other airline"
Presumably your own sim qualities are well in excess of Jet2's requirements, so perhaps you would be good enough to share with us your latest sim report - no need to be modest about it.
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I'm happy to, Pilothouse:-
I have passed each sim assessment that I have attended. These were with Excel, Ryanair, Jet2.scum & British Airways.
My last four LPC/OPCs were passed with high averages, & I've been fortunate enough to have got through every line check with a good.
(Thinking about it though, there was that time in 2002 when, on an approach, I called for Flap 1 .3dme too early.
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I do apologise if I gave the impression that all Jet2/Channex pilots are crap, I only meant most of you. There are some really good guys gaining their first jet experience with you. There are some very experienced contractors who are brighter than the average Channex captain. There are some guys who are bonded in a completely archaic way & can't afford to leave because of it, but who will when the bond expires.
Here's a tip for anyone wanting to get on up the ladder with Channex: camp in Unilever's back garden. Then you too can gain fast track promotion, sit in the left hand seat & 'play' at Sudoku for your living.
I have passed each sim assessment that I have attended. These were with Excel, Ryanair, Jet2.scum & British Airways.
My last four LPC/OPCs were passed with high averages, & I've been fortunate enough to have got through every line check with a good.
(Thinking about it though, there was that time in 2002 when, on an approach, I called for Flap 1 .3dme too early.
)I do apologise if I gave the impression that all Jet2/Channex pilots are crap, I only meant most of you. There are some really good guys gaining their first jet experience with you. There are some very experienced contractors who are brighter than the average Channex captain. There are some guys who are bonded in a completely archaic way & can't afford to leave because of it, but who will when the bond expires.
Here's a tip for anyone wanting to get on up the ladder with Channex: camp in Unilever's back garden. Then you too can gain fast track promotion, sit in the left hand seat & 'play' at Sudoku for your living.
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Chanex /Jet2 all fleets training manager did his TRI/TRE and core course less than a year!
Chanex B737 Chief Training Captain did his core course Type specific and then TRE all within last 18 months!
I think that tells you something about the level of expierience in the company's training department.
Chanex B737 Chief Training Captain did his core course Type specific and then TRE all within last 18 months!
I think that tells you something about the level of expierience in the company's training department.
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Well said Pilothouse,
Pulp, buddy.....how do you ever get in and out of the "office"..either your head is gonna jam between the door sill, or your gonna slip over in the crap you spout about your ability.
Mayby you should try out as an Astronaut, I hear theres a TV show thats looking for people with your "qualities"
Oh an the attempt at humour....a thinly disguised effort
Pulp, buddy.....how do you ever get in and out of the "office"..either your head is gonna jam between the door sill, or your gonna slip over in the crap you spout about your ability.
Mayby you should try out as an Astronaut, I hear theres a TV show thats looking for people with your "qualities"
Oh an the attempt at humour....a thinly disguised effort
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Hi all,
Pulp you are trully a great aviator,I salute your skill.....and i got a five on my last line check (highest) so kiss my ....
Why are you so vitriolic about Jet2 ?clearly you passed their sim,did they then ascertain your massive character defects or would they not make you chief pilot immediately ?
haughtney....you still ain't working enough....splitter !
felicitations,
FTG
Pulp you are trully a great aviator,I salute your skill.....and i got a five on my last line check (highest) so kiss my ....
Why are you so vitriolic about Jet2 ?clearly you passed their sim,did they then ascertain your massive character defects or would they not make you chief pilot immediately ?
haughtney....you still ain't working enough....splitter !
felicitations,
FTG
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Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
And the 757 Fleet Manager has been a TRE for 20 years plus, and has been another airline's fleet manager and training manager.
The head of training did a JAA TRI/TRE course a year ago but has been in management and training for years - and is, I would venture to suggest, a first class bloke, rather more erudite than some here.
This outfit is better than a lot out there.
The head of training did a JAA TRI/TRE course a year ago but has been in management and training for years - and is, I would venture to suggest, a first class bloke, rather more erudite than some here.
This outfit is better than a lot out there.
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Pulp Fiction (or whatever handle you choose to use these days)
Blue, that was seriously the most viscious, nasty post I have ever had read. Viscious, nasty, totally uncalled for and totally untrue, my friend.
Man, what happened to you?
Obviously you are really being eaten up inside. I just hope that you manage to find a little self respect and then hopefully you won't feel the need to lash out at people, taking indiscriminate cheap shots.
I find it very upsetting to see how low you have sunk, and really hope you get well soon, because what you've said is cold.... really cold.
Wishing you all the best, as always
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Blue, that was seriously the most viscious, nasty post I have ever had read. Viscious, nasty, totally uncalled for and totally untrue, my friend.
Man, what happened to you?
Obviously you are really being eaten up inside. I just hope that you manage to find a little self respect and then hopefully you won't feel the need to lash out at people, taking indiscriminate cheap shots.I find it very upsetting to see how low you have sunk, and really hope you get well soon, because what you've said is cold.... really cold.
Wishing you all the best, as always
Trips
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VDV,
Erudite!! More like irascible and obdurate. As for J***, try asking some of his colleagues who still have stab wounds in there backs what they think!!
Pulp Fiction hit the nail on the head earlier in this thread. Channel/Jet2 really is the lowest of the low when it comes to UK airlines. Anybody who has worked for a respectable airline very quickly after joining realises they have made a mistake. All the decent guys leave very quickly and many pay to get out.
It’s a great place if you’re a turboprop or 145/146 captain and don’t want to go back to the RHS, or a low time FO that can’t get a job anywhere else. Getting a command is easy. Couple of days out with an LTC, 3 sim sessions, and 10 line training sectors and of you go. Failing is almost unheard. This is a measure of desperation at this truly low cost outfit.
Erudite!! More like irascible and obdurate. As for J***, try asking some of his colleagues who still have stab wounds in there backs what they think!!
Pulp Fiction hit the nail on the head earlier in this thread. Channel/Jet2 really is the lowest of the low when it comes to UK airlines. Anybody who has worked for a respectable airline very quickly after joining realises they have made a mistake. All the decent guys leave very quickly and many pay to get out.
It’s a great place if you’re a turboprop or 145/146 captain and don’t want to go back to the RHS, or a low time FO that can’t get a job anywhere else. Getting a command is easy. Couple of days out with an LTC, 3 sim sessions, and 10 line training sectors and of you go. Failing is almost unheard. This is a measure of desperation at this truly low cost outfit.
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And I find him one of the most thoroughly decent men I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. In fact, over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm, not those who believe they have some sort of God given right, but those who have earned it, and the respect of their peers.
Yes, there have been some fairly quick promotions (albeit no quicker than other locos), but please don't imagine that it was done without a great deal of consideration, and they still had to prove themselves. It certainly wasn't based on politics as others may claim - that's just nasty.
And if you think that it's just a shoo-in, then you would be very much mistaken. Many have failed, including those who have come from 'reputable' companies as direct entry commands. And the man who is now in charge of the fleet training? Affectionately known as Chopper - and that's not because of the size of his pecker.
I love that. Superb! You are absolutely right. Which means the decent chaps and chappesses remain. 
Go in peace and enjoy where you are, because we certainly enjoy being where we are.
Trips
And I find him one of the most thoroughly decent men I have ever had the pleasure of meeting. In fact, over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm, not those who believe they have some sort of God given right, but those who have earned it, and the respect of their peers.
Yes, there have been some fairly quick promotions (albeit no quicker than other locos), but please don't imagine that it was done without a great deal of consideration, and they still had to prove themselves. It certainly wasn't based on politics as others may claim - that's just nasty.
And if you think that it's just a shoo-in, then you would be very much mistaken. Many have failed, including those who have come from 'reputable' companies as direct entry commands. And the man who is now in charge of the fleet training? Affectionately known as Chopper - and that's not because of the size of his pecker.
All the descent guys leave very quickly
Go in peace and enjoy where you are, because we certainly enjoy being where we are.
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Trip.
I am sure that based on your experience and background you truly feel that Jet2 is a good operation.
Most of the complaints about Jet2 are from those with backgrounds in well established reputable airlines such as BA, BMI and others. These are individuals who are able to make realistic comparisons based on there experience.
Unfortunately, unless one has worked in a formal environment with robust SOP’s, is accustomed to operating well maintained aircraft, and within an efficiently operating organisation in most other respects, then the complaints constantly aired in these forums would be outside of ones frame of reference.
This is the underlying problem at Jet2. PM and his immediate subordinates have been with the company for years, have not worked elsewhere and truly believe what they are doing is right. It is accepted that Channel /Jet2 are about the lowest paid and most onerously contracted pilots in the UK. It is not hard to conclude that when you say:
“over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm…”
.....that you simply cannot attract the quality of manager that is really needed when paying so little. It is a fact that a Channel 737/757 TRE with say Fleet Manager or Training Manager increment is earning the same as an Easy Jet line Captain. The same is true throughout the management structure.
It’s all relative!
Ps…. Thanks for the help with my spalling. As I said you get what you pay for!!
I am sure that based on your experience and background you truly feel that Jet2 is a good operation.
Most of the complaints about Jet2 are from those with backgrounds in well established reputable airlines such as BA, BMI and others. These are individuals who are able to make realistic comparisons based on there experience.
Unfortunately, unless one has worked in a formal environment with robust SOP’s, is accustomed to operating well maintained aircraft, and within an efficiently operating organisation in most other respects, then the complaints constantly aired in these forums would be outside of ones frame of reference.
This is the underlying problem at Jet2. PM and his immediate subordinates have been with the company for years, have not worked elsewhere and truly believe what they are doing is right. It is accepted that Channel /Jet2 are about the lowest paid and most onerously contracted pilots in the UK. It is not hard to conclude that when you say:
“over the last few years, a great deal of stock has been placed in making sure there are quality chaps at the helm…”
.....that you simply cannot attract the quality of manager that is really needed when paying so little. It is a fact that a Channel 737/757 TRE with say Fleet Manager or Training Manager increment is earning the same as an Easy Jet line Captain. The same is true throughout the management structure.
It’s all relative!
Ps…. Thanks for the help with my spalling. As I said you get what you pay for!!
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Hi,
So nearly man did you get the job then ?Is it true using the APU is banned until the temp reaches absolute zero ?!
Haughtney -they gave you a 4,did they feel sorry for you ?(only kidding mate)
Shame I went down like the titanic in my LPC,still there is a fine line between genius and madness !
So nearly man did you get the job then ?Is it true using the APU is banned until the temp reaches absolute zero ?!
Haughtney -they gave you a 4,did they feel sorry for you ?(only kidding mate)
Shame I went down like the titanic in my LPC,still there is a fine line between genius and madness !
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Sorry old bean, but I come from one of those "reputable" airlines and my experience tells me you do not know what you are on about! Jet2 is as good as most, in my experience!!
And as for all this talk of bad management, well its a load of crap. FB is a fine head of training, and if you meet him you know he stands no 5hit. Standards have risen 10 fold since he has taken the role. Those that talk bad of JB and RL, I challenge you to fine better fleet captains.
Just my opinion.
Most of the complaints about Jet2 are from those with backgrounds in well established reputable airlines such as BA, BMI and others. These are individuals who are able to make realistic comparisons based on there experience.
And as for all this talk of bad management, well its a load of crap. FB is a fine head of training, and if you meet him you know he stands no 5hit. Standards have risen 10 fold since he has taken the role. Those that talk bad of JB and RL, I challenge you to fine better fleet captains.
Just my opinion.
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With you on that one pol 1wx...
Plop Function...thanks matey....I'm one of your "majority" of remaining c??p Jet2 pilots !!
Sub Rosa....I too come from one of your so called "reputable other" airlines !!
As for MY experiences with Channex/Jet2 over the last year...got to say... for me "personally"...there are more positives than negatives.
The +'s : numerous but personal....it suits ME...that's not to say it suits others....the bottom line being..."Do I still enjoy turning in for work" ?....YEP !
The -'s : the same old chestnut....the money IS c??p !! But here's X-ing fingers...it MIGHT improve...it might NOT !!
As for the Pilot Management/Training Dept..Yet again I agree with the previous post....ALL GOOD STUFF...
But then...who am I to say this...I'm just a c??P JET2 Pilot !!!
(Maybe now Channex is no more...we should have a new callsign...I vote for "JOBBIE"...what say you PLOP ???)
Plop Function...thanks matey....I'm one of your "majority" of remaining c??p Jet2 pilots !!
Sub Rosa....I too come from one of your so called "reputable other" airlines !!
As for MY experiences with Channex/Jet2 over the last year...got to say... for me "personally"...there are more positives than negatives.
The +'s : numerous but personal....it suits ME...that's not to say it suits others....the bottom line being..."Do I still enjoy turning in for work" ?....YEP !
The -'s : the same old chestnut....the money IS c??p !! But here's X-ing fingers...it MIGHT improve...it might NOT !!
As for the Pilot Management/Training Dept..Yet again I agree with the previous post....ALL GOOD STUFF...
But then...who am I to say this...I'm just a c??P JET2 Pilot !!!
(Maybe now Channex is no more...we should have a new callsign...I vote for "JOBBIE"...what say you PLOP ???)
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To return to the original question from 2engop: what's it like at Jet2?
Well, I found it absolutely dreadful. As you can gauge from this thread so do others but some say that they enjoy flying for PM. My advice to you, if you are thinking of trying out this bottom feeding outfit, is to join as a contractor. That way you can leave within 6 or 12 months without being bullied for a trumped up bond even if you were already type rated. The company may even provide you with a reference & not attempt to sabotage your next employment by witholding it. You'll also be on a far better deal than a Channex employee (poor sods). First Officer pay is around £2,700 per month; a Captain is taking home in the region of £3,600 per month: about £400 per month less than a First Officer with a certain Irish airline!
Pulp Fiction says that most pilots flying for Jet2/Channex are crap. I think that's a bit harsh. One of the best pilots I know flys for Channel Express. They've recently screwed him so he will probably be leaving the company as soon as his Dickensian bond expires. There are some very switched on F/Os with low hours who are very capable. There are some good Captains. There are also some appalling examples, some of the worst that I've come across of in our industry.
Only join this company if you have no other choice, it's as simple as that. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
Well, I found it absolutely dreadful. As you can gauge from this thread so do others but some say that they enjoy flying for PM. My advice to you, if you are thinking of trying out this bottom feeding outfit, is to join as a contractor. That way you can leave within 6 or 12 months without being bullied for a trumped up bond even if you were already type rated. The company may even provide you with a reference & not attempt to sabotage your next employment by witholding it. You'll also be on a far better deal than a Channex employee (poor sods). First Officer pay is around £2,700 per month; a Captain is taking home in the region of £3,600 per month: about £400 per month less than a First Officer with a certain Irish airline!
Pulp Fiction says that most pilots flying for Jet2/Channex are crap. I think that's a bit harsh. One of the best pilots I know flys for Channel Express. They've recently screwed him so he will probably be leaving the company as soon as his Dickensian bond expires. There are some very switched on F/Os with low hours who are very capable. There are some good Captains. There are also some appalling examples, some of the worst that I've come across of in our industry.
Only join this company if you have no other choice, it's as simple as that. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
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Re: Jet2 757 Fleet?
Originally Posted by X-Centric
That way you can leave within 6 or 12 months without being bullied for a trumped up bond even if you were already type rated
It's horses for courses with any airline job. Yes some would like to leave but find me a loco where this isn't the case. That certain Irish airline mentioned is definitely not one but it doesn't make it a bad employer for everyone. I am genuinely pleased you have found better to suit and good luck because you deserve it.
2engop ..... joining as a contractor is an idea if it's available .... then you can make your own mind up. I have worked for others, even one of the "reputable" airlines and for what it's worth I like it here very much. Good luck with your decision