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wheresthecoffee - So he didnt get the job - then why is that still a problem?
Given the recent nasty business on this thread I choose my words carefully. Some people were suspicious of how long the ambition for a management post had been present and felt that there was conflict of interest between being on the PC and harbouring aspirations to climb the greasy pole.
BALPA is expensive to belong to and the fight in easy is that if more joined they'd sort things out. On the other side, you could say show us what you can do and I'll pay to join. When they were voted in, a lot was made of they'd fight the corner for us all including non members but that doesn't happen.
Issues like the one above don't help there case. Bottom line is though that management control the PC and pull there strings (IMHO). Sorry if that is hard to swallow for some but the PC dances to RW's tune - not the other way around.
Given the recent nasty business on this thread I choose my words carefully. Some people were suspicious of how long the ambition for a management post had been present and felt that there was conflict of interest between being on the PC and harbouring aspirations to climb the greasy pole.
BALPA is expensive to belong to and the fight in easy is that if more joined they'd sort things out. On the other side, you could say show us what you can do and I'll pay to join. When they were voted in, a lot was made of they'd fight the corner for us all including non members but that doesn't happen.
Issues like the one above don't help there case. Bottom line is though that management control the PC and pull there strings (IMHO). Sorry if that is hard to swallow for some but the PC dances to RW's tune - not the other way around.
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Cosmi, I would have to disagree with you on several of the points you have made. I don't know who in the last PC promised "help for all, member or not" but what would be the point in being amember if a pilot could get all the help he/she needed without paying his fees. We have made it a policy to only help those who have signed up; I feel quite strongly that our members would rather have us NOT using our time in this way so that we can be there when/ if they need it. And lately, there's plenty that do and we have been maxed out helping our members anyway, without spending even more time on those that don't fork out! Remember, you don't buy car insurance after the crash!
I have to also disagree with you about dancing to **'s tune. He has been to join our meetings on two occasions this last 6 months, but as Chairman of the CC, with a great team behind me, I would like to think our members dictate what we do. What we acheive will be determined by our efforts with help from Balpa, not the other way around.
I have to also disagree with you about dancing to **'s tune. He has been to join our meetings on two occasions this last 6 months, but as Chairman of the CC, with a great team behind me, I would like to think our members dictate what we do. What we acheive will be determined by our efforts with help from Balpa, not the other way around.
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Ch,
Didnt realise you were pprune police!
Whats the fine?
2 old bones and a bag of winalot!
Col ,
All jokes aside.
If you can sort out 5on 3off with a sensible pattern.
Ie all mornings throughout or afternoons.{not starting early and finishing on the night athens which seems a popular cockup these days.}
I will personally buy you a 12 bottle case of descent champagne!
{seems reasonable dont you think!}
I think thats a reasonable offer from a non BALPA person!
Didnt realise you were pprune police!
Whats the fine?
2 old bones and a bag of winalot!
Col ,
All jokes aside.
If you can sort out 5on 3off with a sensible pattern.
Ie all mornings throughout or afternoons.{not starting early and finishing on the night athens which seems a popular cockup these days.}
I will personally buy you a 12 bottle case of descent champagne!
{seems reasonable dont you think!}
I think thats a reasonable offer from a non BALPA person!
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I don't have a lot of info to go on but you said the management removed the water and then the PC stepped in and changed it or got it changed.
so why do you say they are dancing to mangements tune?
If they had been they would have let the water go.
Most (all??) unions wont represent non-members will they as Col K says - whats the point of joining then?
so why do you say they are dancing to mangements tune?
If they had been they would have let the water go.
Most (all??) unions wont represent non-members will they as Col K says - whats the point of joining then?
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the water is in the big scheme a small thing - they're allowed to win small things especially when in such a case the whole idea was ludicrous anyway. When it comes to the big issues RW will not give way.
despite last winter being the managements last chance to sort rosters for this year or else we need a rostering agreement, now surprise surprise we are not fighting for a roster agreement but discussing a management initiative to change the flight time rules to make us work harder as this is the only way RW will give us any reasonable roster pattern. We should be digging in for a roster agreement now which has contractual obligations on the company as well as us.
The last PC never promised to look after non members but if you go back 3 years when we voted on whether or not to have BALPA recognition, I distinctly remember campaigners for BALPA some of which have been or are now on the PC, telling us that this would be for all of us. You see we all had a vote member or not at that point. A bit like politicians once elected campaign promises are meaningless.
despite last winter being the managements last chance to sort rosters for this year or else we need a rostering agreement, now surprise surprise we are not fighting for a roster agreement but discussing a management initiative to change the flight time rules to make us work harder as this is the only way RW will give us any reasonable roster pattern. We should be digging in for a roster agreement now which has contractual obligations on the company as well as us.
The last PC never promised to look after non members but if you go back 3 years when we voted on whether or not to have BALPA recognition, I distinctly remember campaigners for BALPA some of which have been or are now on the PC, telling us that this would be for all of us. You see we all had a vote member or not at that point. A bit like politicians once elected campaign promises are meaningless.
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Surely BALPA are representing non-members to a certain extent in that the results of negotiations are applicable to all pilots, whether members or not. Its not rocket science that with more members, the council will be able to negotiate from a stronger position. With no union at all, what then?? However, if there is a perception this time (real or not) that we get shafted, then I think there will be a few people asking themselves if the subs are worth the legal protection (insurance) they provide. Good luck in the negotiations I say & to any non-members get your wallets out!
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E-mail of pilots recruitement's office???
Sorry guys, I know I'm bit out of the subject but, since many of you seems to know a lot about Easyjet, can someone give me the E-mail address of the pilots recruitement's office? I sent my application month ago but had no answer at all so I want to contact them to keep(or get) in touch. Many thank's.
Danou_71
PS: if you prefer you can use the privat messaging...
Danou_71
PS: if you prefer you can use the privat messaging...
The CC have indeed been working very hard - you can see the bruises where they've been hitting their heads against easyJet's brick wall!
What is the difference between 50% membership and 80% membership? Either the Company want to make things better for their pilots or they don't - is somebody suggesting that high union membership is going to "force" them to negotiate? And at the end of the day, the only real card a union has is the threat of strike action, and this is hardly likely to happen over, for example, crew water is it? If I didn't have crew water I wouldn't depart, union or no union, it's as simple as that!
I'm not knocking Balpa, our reps have given many hours of their free time to making things better, and it's greatly appreciated, but not much will change until the management start treating their staff as a resource instead of a commodity.
What is the difference between 50% membership and 80% membership? Either the Company want to make things better for their pilots or they don't - is somebody suggesting that high union membership is going to "force" them to negotiate? And at the end of the day, the only real card a union has is the threat of strike action, and this is hardly likely to happen over, for example, crew water is it? If I didn't have crew water I wouldn't depart, union or no union, it's as simple as that!
I'm not knocking Balpa, our reps have given many hours of their free time to making things better, and it's greatly appreciated, but not much will change until the management start treating their staff as a resource instead of a commodity.
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Hello Ron
I can answer your point - without fear of a personal attack I'm sure!
The difference is talking with the mandate of such a large %age of the pilots gives considerable industrial leverage.
Please, just talk to any member of Virgin and see what a difference increased membership numbers made to their case - it was astonishing.
Staunch non-members have been bandying around varying figures of membership and resignation numbers (both from Balpa and the company). Many of these figures are way off the mark but make a good headline.
Of course no-one's going to strike over crew water - or even threaten to. We didn't need to. We just went in, made the case, righted the wrong - and left.
Without Balpa - water would be gone - fact. It's a simple issue but shows that things can be done. Bigger issues are being addressed, as they are in every company. With strength in numbers the task is easier and achievable.
It just stumps me why some people refuse to join in until the 'deal is done' rather than join and make the job simpler for all.
We are all after the same thing. There are no (not one, zilch, zero) private agendas (as some people seem to suggest ad nauseam).
Nobody is signing anyone's rights to anything away. People, not involved in any meetings, are parading as experts knowing all about everything.
We have been accused of dancing to RW's tune. I haven't heard that tune and I've attended every meeting. What is the tune we are supposed to love so much?
FTL discussions have been going on - public knowledege. We have heard NOTHING even tempting ergo NO AGREEMENT. If we are dancing to the tune surely we would have said 'yes' straight away and made life a damn sight easier for us (the CC) all!
I can answer your point - without fear of a personal attack I'm sure!
The difference is talking with the mandate of such a large %age of the pilots gives considerable industrial leverage.
Please, just talk to any member of Virgin and see what a difference increased membership numbers made to their case - it was astonishing.
Staunch non-members have been bandying around varying figures of membership and resignation numbers (both from Balpa and the company). Many of these figures are way off the mark but make a good headline.
Of course no-one's going to strike over crew water - or even threaten to. We didn't need to. We just went in, made the case, righted the wrong - and left.
Without Balpa - water would be gone - fact. It's a simple issue but shows that things can be done. Bigger issues are being addressed, as they are in every company. With strength in numbers the task is easier and achievable.
It just stumps me why some people refuse to join in until the 'deal is done' rather than join and make the job simpler for all.
We are all after the same thing. There are no (not one, zilch, zero) private agendas (as some people seem to suggest ad nauseam).
Nobody is signing anyone's rights to anything away. People, not involved in any meetings, are parading as experts knowing all about everything.
We have been accused of dancing to RW's tune. I haven't heard that tune and I've attended every meeting. What is the tune we are supposed to love so much?
FTL discussions have been going on - public knowledege. We have heard NOTHING even tempting ergo NO AGREEMENT. If we are dancing to the tune surely we would have said 'yes' straight away and made life a damn sight easier for us (the CC) all!
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I can only assume that I am the baker boy of which **** speaks, so I aught to reply really. I will also bear in mind that this an open forum before I make statements and remarks which may damage my company and job prospects throughout the industry.
Easyjet are the second biggest employers of pilots in the UK, have a refreshing mix of nationalities and other minority groups, and is growing at an enormous rate. The company has entered the third phase of its development ie growing up. It has started to employ grown up managers and has aquired a grown up pilots Company council.
In the past the management have steamrollered all over us as a pilot workforce. In the last 2 years due to market circumstances this has been marked. The market has now changed. easyJet needs to recruit and more importantly RETAIN experienced pilots. This is not lost on management.
I have been formally involved with the CC for only 6 months, but have been informally dealing with crew food issues for three and a half years, and was instrumental in getting the last manager removed, in my own time. My job over the last 6 months has been to hold back the steamroller, with no-body supporting me but the PC. Without us we would have no food, water or acceptable hotac. I understand dog is a delicacy in many countries. Watch your rump, eh ****!
This is in the middle of my three days off. I could of course sit on my bum and complain about how crap everyone is but instead I intend to spend another couple of hours eefending my fellow workforce.
Easyjet are the second biggest employers of pilots in the UK, have a refreshing mix of nationalities and other minority groups, and is growing at an enormous rate. The company has entered the third phase of its development ie growing up. It has started to employ grown up managers and has aquired a grown up pilots Company council.
In the past the management have steamrollered all over us as a pilot workforce. In the last 2 years due to market circumstances this has been marked. The market has now changed. easyJet needs to recruit and more importantly RETAIN experienced pilots. This is not lost on management.
I have been formally involved with the CC for only 6 months, but have been informally dealing with crew food issues for three and a half years, and was instrumental in getting the last manager removed, in my own time. My job over the last 6 months has been to hold back the steamroller, with no-body supporting me but the PC. Without us we would have no food, water or acceptable hotac. I understand dog is a delicacy in many countries. Watch your rump, eh ****!
This is in the middle of my three days off. I could of course sit on my bum and complain about how crap everyone is but instead I intend to spend another couple of hours eefending my fellow workforce.
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