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To clarify the CPL halt rumor
Unfortunately, our Integrated PPL/CPL/IR program is currently on hold. We are now focusing on the Multi-crew Pilot License (MPL), A320 First Officer Transition (FOT) Training, and A320 Type Rating Training. If you are interested to pursue a commercial pilot career, you may take the CPL/IR program from one of the many flying schools in the country, and then come to Clark Aviation for the A320 FOT Training, which is essentially a preparatory training towards becoming a First Officer in a commercial airline on the A320 aircraft. The A320 is currently the bestselling single-aisle jetliner in the aviation industry worldwide.
I got this email from their marketing dept a few hours ago. So it is true. The next question is, why was it put on hold? Caap problems? Did they fail the auditing? ...
Only CIA knows the real story behind.
I got this email from their marketing dept a few hours ago. So it is true. The next question is, why was it put on hold? Caap problems? Did they fail the auditing? ...
Only CIA knows the real story behind.
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toffeebuenafe:
"Unfortunately, our Integrated PPL/CPL/IR program is currently on hold. We are now focusing on the Multi-crew Pilot License (MPL), A320 First Officer Transition (FOT) Training, and A320 Type Rating Training. If you are interested to pursue a commercial pilot career, you may take the CPL/IR program from one of the many flying schools in the country, and then come to Clark Aviation for the A320 FOT Training, which is essentially a preparatory training towards becoming a First Officer in a commercial airline on the A320 aircraft. The A320 is currently the bestselling single-aisle jetliner in the aviation industry worldwide."
There's a good way out of the mess CA created originally. Give the guys/girls (those who were conned into the scam) a Free Of More Charges valid A320 Type Rating. After paying for a MPL and having to pay for a CPL/IR, that is the minimum CA must do to compensate all the suffering and financial losses they caused.
"Unfortunately, our Integrated PPL/CPL/IR program is currently on hold. We are now focusing on the Multi-crew Pilot License (MPL), A320 First Officer Transition (FOT) Training, and A320 Type Rating Training. If you are interested to pursue a commercial pilot career, you may take the CPL/IR program from one of the many flying schools in the country, and then come to Clark Aviation for the A320 FOT Training, which is essentially a preparatory training towards becoming a First Officer in a commercial airline on the A320 aircraft. The A320 is currently the bestselling single-aisle jetliner in the aviation industry worldwide."
There's a good way out of the mess CA created originally. Give the guys/girls (those who were conned into the scam) a Free Of More Charges valid A320 Type Rating. After paying for a MPL and having to pay for a CPL/IR, that is the minimum CA must do to compensate all the suffering and financial losses they caused.
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nice. but what's the diff between A320 FOT and A320 TRT? is the FOT really necessary for an aspiring FO or is it just another bogus "enhancement" so your chances of getting hired "improve tremedously"?
Sorry for my ignorance. i just hope CA is not being disingenious again with all of these new "programs".
Sorry for my ignorance. i just hope CA is not being disingenious again with all of these new "programs".
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Who cares?
Happened to stumble in this forum.. I don't know this c*pp*t guy actually, just got interested with the post below. I happen to be there too when the alphas was dismantled and loaded. (enjoying the view of the mountains 
)
Look who's talking about losing common sense here.. 
If the guy was brave enough to post it on his blog spot with his real name(
) on it, then why he would hide behind an alias and repost it here?? It's like shooting your own feet.. tsk..tsk..tsk..
It's actually the opposite. There is a mile difference between when the airplanes sitting out in the rain for ages with its "fairings" and "access covers" in place, and, letting the wings get wet with "acidic" rain with its unprotected internals are exposed. Just a matter of time and those wings will get corroded and dis-integrate. How about if it is your ass sitting in that airplane when that happen?
Let's make it simple.. How would you feel if I treated your car/airplane/jeep/whatever the same way as those guys treated the alphas??? Honest anwer only
)
Hey 9ball....instead of conspiracy theories why dont you use your "common sense"
Hey c'mon Vtango we all know that 9 ball has not got any common sense.
Hmmm, well if you think we are mistaking him, take a look at his blog ! Looks like the exact same post to me. Now who is mistaken ? It is just another one of his aliases.
http://www.markcupitt.*************/
http://www.markcupitt.*************/
If the guy was brave enough to post it on his blog spot with his real name() on it, then why he would hide behind an alias and repost it here?? It's like shooting your own feet.. tsk..tsk..tsk..
Whoever wrote that article with the pics of CIA's dismantled Alphas wrote:
"Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
"Let the photos speak for them selves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
"(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)"
Heck, the airplanes were sitting out in the rain and sun for ages. Setting the wings on the ground and letting them get wet for a few more minutes would cause no appreciable additional damage. Anyone who knows anything about aircraft would know that.
"Anyone who knows anything about aircraft will shudder at the way these aircraft were loaded ...
"Let the photos speak for them selves .. (Taken before lunch today .. These are of the third aircraft, the first one nearly fell off whilst loading it on the low bed, unfortunately I did not get a photo of it)
"(Oh, I forgot to mention, they took the wings off yesterday whilst it was raining, they were left sitting in the rain on the ground)"
Heck, the airplanes were sitting out in the rain and sun for ages. Setting the wings on the ground and letting them get wet for a few more minutes would cause no appreciable additional damage. Anyone who knows anything about aircraft would know that.
Let's make it simple.. How would you feel if I treated your car/airplane/jeep/whatever the same way as those guys treated the alphas??? Honest anwer only
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a quiet thread here.
3 more MPL's cadets have done base training with 5J and will be applying for their licenses, a couple more were released to the line over the weekend... i lost count on how many have been released, should be over a dozen of them already.
3 more MPL's cadets have done base training with 5J and will be applying for their licenses, a couple more were released to the line over the weekend... i lost count on how many have been released, should be over a dozen of them already.
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Indeed a quiet thread here, until someone's cage is rattled....
With all the news/rumours in the other topics threads about the local airlines and pilot's moves, what is Clark Aviation doing to place its newly formed MPL pilots in those "new" airlines other then only at 5J?
After all, the MPL is a fully recognized licence by the CAAP.
Any ideas or opinions?
With all the news/rumours in the other topics threads about the local airlines and pilot's moves, what is Clark Aviation doing to place its newly formed MPL pilots in those "new" airlines other then only at 5J?
After all, the MPL is a fully recognized licence by the CAAP.
Any ideas or opinions?
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There are five graduates doing their IOE with PAL in behalf of Airphil Express and at least fifteen are now with Zestair. The few remaining A320 trainees at Clark, both non-airline sponsored and 5J trainess, are due for base training in Cyprus and Bupak.
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Welll.... It is rare that a discussion thread be involved in such secrecy such as this one about CIA MPL cadets/pilots. In my opinion it should be very much alive with whatever news of its MPL pilots finding jobs in any world airline as a sign of success. But no, everything is wrapped up as if they were State secrets.
So. The Indian MPL pilots are not so "poor" anymore (after 4 years?). Have they found jobs in the Philippines (strapped for pilots, ref. Cebupac and others threads) or anywhere else? Are they getting the same employment conditions as the locals (from whatever latitudes) or are they still being pushed to the limits of human endurance regarding racism and unfair treatment?
I think CIA owes an overdue public explanation about the treatment of its MPL cadets/pilots and the CAAP should step hard on any malpractice.
So. The Indian MPL pilots are not so "poor" anymore (after 4 years?). Have they found jobs in the Philippines (strapped for pilots, ref. Cebupac and others threads) or anywhere else? Are they getting the same employment conditions as the locals (from whatever latitudes) or are they still being pushed to the limits of human endurance regarding racism and unfair treatment?
I think CIA owes an overdue public explanation about the treatment of its MPL cadets/pilots and the CAAP should step hard on any malpractice.
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i don't know what you're saying so pardon my ignorance. last i heard, while everybody was happily moving out, those chaps were being left behind. which puzzled me no end as CA is supposed to be owned by Brits and Sings of India descent.
i don't know what you're saying so pardon my ignorance. last i heard, while everybody was happily moving out, those chaps were being left behind. which puzzled me no end as CA is supposed to be owned by Brits and Sings of India descent.
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Indian MPL Cadets from Clark
Several months ago the Indian MPL cadets from Clark were part of the first group of cadets to travel to Sharjah for interview/assessment by Air Arabia. They were with the 3 Baharaini's. The 3 Baharaini's were found acceptable and commenced ground school (EP's, DG's etc) immediately and are well into line training (46 sectors).
Last month the four Indian MPL cadets from Clark were called back to Sharjah to commence ground school and line training (IOE).
Next month the next group go the Sharjah for interview/assessment. So far all cadets (both Cebu Pacific and non Cebu Pacific) who have been issued MPL licences have been accepted into airlines.
The shortage of pilots in the Philippines along with the airline's policy of only employing nationals has meant full employment for all. In fact, there is still a shortage, especially commanders. Now as for their terms and conditions, well thats another matter but at least they are in.
Last month the four Indian MPL cadets from Clark were called back to Sharjah to commence ground school and line training (IOE).
Next month the next group go the Sharjah for interview/assessment. So far all cadets (both Cebu Pacific and non Cebu Pacific) who have been issued MPL licences have been accepted into airlines.
The shortage of pilots in the Philippines along with the airline's policy of only employing nationals has meant full employment for all. In fact, there is still a shortage, especially commanders. Now as for their terms and conditions, well thats another matter but at least they are in.
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Spoiler! haha
@everyone,
I think everyone knows that there's really a shortage of pilots these days and the upcoming years. That is what CIA has anticipated. What happend the past 3-4years was a really really rough ride for MPLers. It may be because of bad management, bad program or just because the program is one of the first of its kind. I guess its inevitable. Airlines need pilots with type rating. Whether MPL training is better than the traditional SPL-PPL-CPL-ATPL or not, MPL still have the type rating. And the way I see it now, its a pilot's market now. That the pilot's have the upper hand. As long as he has the license, rating and currency.
..and since its a pilot market, lets just be happy for the pilots rather than pull them down. As long as you get a type rating and hours.. you are in demand!
Now if you ask if MPL pilots are ready for emergencies, PF duties, PNF duties, F/O duties, etc etc. I guess its the airline's job/responsibility to make sure that they are ready.
As one of the directors in one of the airline said, "They have the brains to do it!" So, why underestimate them? Why overestimate them? They're just the same pilots as the one who came from the traditional route, in a way that not all are good, not all are bad, some are really good, and some commits alot of mistakes, some learn fast, some learn really slow. But in time, in 1500hours or so.. what differs an MPL pilot with 1500hours of A320 flying against a CPL with 1500hours of flying with all sorts of single engine/multi engine aircraft? Who is better and worse? For me, its not in the program, but its in the pilot. How he copes up with the airline environment.
But, atleast, with MPL, you get to the airline after your training rather than going through what SPL-PPL-CPL has gone through. Its because of technology to be able to train pilots on aircrafts airlines use. For me, thats the only difference.
Spoiler! haha
@everyone,
I think everyone knows that there's really a shortage of pilots these days and the upcoming years. That is what CIA has anticipated. What happend the past 3-4years was a really really rough ride for MPLers. It may be because of bad management, bad program or just because the program is one of the first of its kind. I guess its inevitable. Airlines need pilots with type rating. Whether MPL training is better than the traditional SPL-PPL-CPL-ATPL or not, MPL still have the type rating. And the way I see it now, its a pilot's market now. That the pilot's have the upper hand. As long as he has the license, rating and currency.
..and since its a pilot market, lets just be happy for the pilots rather than pull them down. As long as you get a type rating and hours.. you are in demand!
Now if you ask if MPL pilots are ready for emergencies, PF duties, PNF duties, F/O duties, etc etc. I guess its the airline's job/responsibility to make sure that they are ready.
As one of the directors in one of the airline said, "They have the brains to do it!" So, why underestimate them? Why overestimate them? They're just the same pilots as the one who came from the traditional route, in a way that not all are good, not all are bad, some are really good, and some commits alot of mistakes, some learn fast, some learn really slow. But in time, in 1500hours or so.. what differs an MPL pilot with 1500hours of A320 flying against a CPL with 1500hours of flying with all sorts of single engine/multi engine aircraft? Who is better and worse? For me, its not in the program, but its in the pilot. How he copes up with the airline environment.
But, atleast, with MPL, you get to the airline after your training rather than going through what SPL-PPL-CPL has gone through. Its because of technology to be able to train pilots on aircrafts airlines use. For me, thats the only difference.
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"That is what CIA has anticipated"
With due respect, I don't think so Sir ... Clark Av was just lucky the hiring cycle came up in time for the MPL'ers ... a bit late for some but better late than never ... their crystal ball isn't that good at all, or anybody else's
With due respect, I don't think so Sir ... Clark Av was just lucky the hiring cycle came up in time for the MPL'ers ... a bit late for some but better late than never ... their crystal ball isn't that good at all, or anybody else's
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@rq4globalhawk
let me rephrase what I said...
It was ICAO that has anticipated the shortage of pilots and access to new technologies which paved the way to develop a new training program. And in which Clark Aviation has ventured in.
ICAO did not have any crystal ball (I hope so) and based this new program on facts.
1. A global shortage of pilots is an eventuality.
2. A predicted fleet growth of 17,000 aircrafts is anticipated by 2020
3. The last ICAO review of pilot training standard occured in 1948
4. Technology advances have facilitated changes in training standards.
..and with you're comment of Clark Aviation being lucky? I dont think so. The company and the students also struggled to make these things work also.
let me rephrase what I said...
It was ICAO that has anticipated the shortage of pilots and access to new technologies which paved the way to develop a new training program. And in which Clark Aviation has ventured in.
ICAO did not have any crystal ball (I hope so) and based this new program on facts.
1. A global shortage of pilots is an eventuality.
2. A predicted fleet growth of 17,000 aircrafts is anticipated by 2020
3. The last ICAO review of pilot training standard occured in 1948
4. Technology advances have facilitated changes in training standards.
..and with you're comment of Clark Aviation being lucky? I dont think so. The company and the students also struggled to make these things work also.
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Benny.
"Several months ago the Indian MPL cadets from Clark were part of the first group of cadets to travel to Sharjah for interview/assessment by Air Arabia. They were with the 3 Baharaini's. The 3 Baharaini's were found acceptable and commenced ground school (EP's, DG's etc) immediately and are well into line training (46 sectors)."
Lots of material for some thoughts.... but 46 sectors in how many months? Well... if they fly always 4 hour sectors (which I doubt), that makes less than 200 hrs total flying time. As it appears, its a rather slow IOE program.
Don't you think so?
I hope the other guys will have a better chance to get the needed hours and sectors much faster and take their rightful place on the RH seat.
"Several months ago the Indian MPL cadets from Clark were part of the first group of cadets to travel to Sharjah for interview/assessment by Air Arabia. They were with the 3 Baharaini's. The 3 Baharaini's were found acceptable and commenced ground school (EP's, DG's etc) immediately and are well into line training (46 sectors)."
Lots of material for some thoughts.... but 46 sectors in how many months? Well... if they fly always 4 hour sectors (which I doubt), that makes less than 200 hrs total flying time. As it appears, its a rather slow IOE program.
Don't you think so?
I hope the other guys will have a better chance to get the needed hours and sectors much faster and take their rightful place on the RH seat.