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tactic
although I think its also a commercial tactic since they also caused the PAL flight from PPS to be cancelled because of that incident. 
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since this is an overshoot, i would be more interested about the MPL FO's landing skills rather than the AMO, don't you think?
by the way. no need to name names. if you're in the loop i'm sure guys already know who they are. if u don't know them, u probably have no business to know.
since this is an overshoot, i would be more interested about the MPL FO's landing skills rather than the AMO, don't you think?
by the way. no need to name names. if you're in the loop i'm sure guys already know who they are. if u don't know them, u probably have no business to know.
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can i just say cebu pac is shameless the way they're covering up this incident? they keep saying that the weather at that time was stormy when in fact the metor reported visibility of 5-10km. what a bunch of bull!
just wait till i get a copy of that met report!
just wait till i get a copy of that met report!
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Not an overshoot
To answer some question..
First of all, I Just went to Puerto Prinsensa yesterdeay. It was not an overshoot.
Secondly, dont be concerned about the MPLs landing skills... thats the least to worry about.
Lastly, its a captains runway and its was the captain who landed the plane.
First of all, I Just went to Puerto Prinsensa yesterdeay. It was not an overshoot.
Secondly, dont be concerned about the MPLs landing skills... thats the least to worry about.
Lastly, its a captains runway and its was the captain who landed the plane.
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This thread was sidetracked to the landing incident just because someone thinks an MPL pilot was onboard....
What about returning to the original objective?
There's more to CIA than to prove "how bad" the MPLrs are. Lots of wrongs to correct.....
What about returning to the original objective?
There's more to CIA than to prove "how bad" the MPLrs are. Lots of wrongs to correct.....
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it is the skill of MPLs to blame, the lack of training they have for the A320 procedure. good luck to other airlines getting the services of MPL graduates. Here in seair i guarantee there will be no MPLs for the A320
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"it is the skill of MPLs to blame, the lack of training they have for the A320 procedure. good luck to other airlines getting the services of MPL graduates. Here in seair i guarantee there will be no MPLs for the A320"
Wow naman onieangeles!! how could you say such things? have you experienced the training in CA? and how could you say "it is the skills of MPLs to blame"? your flying credentials must be awesome!! CP of DO328 with SEAir? instructor too? you must have logged tens of thousands of hours? tell us how you could make such conclusions...and you can guarantee there will be no MPLs for the ?A320 in ? SEAir? You own SEAir too?
Please enlighten us....
By the way, what specific A320 procedure do you have in mind?
"it is the skill of MPLs to blame, the lack of training they have for the A320 procedure. good luck to other airlines getting the services of MPL graduates. Here in seair i guarantee there will be no MPLs for the A320"
Wow naman onieangeles!! how could you say such things? have you experienced the training in CA? and how could you say "it is the skills of MPLs to blame"? your flying credentials must be awesome!! CP of DO328 with SEAir? instructor too? you must have logged tens of thousands of hours? tell us how you could make such conclusions...and you can guarantee there will be no MPLs for the ?A320 in ? SEAir? You own SEAir too?
Please enlighten us....
By the way, what specific A320 procedure do you have in mind?
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it is the skill of MPLs to blame, the lack of training they have for the A320 procedure. good luck to other airlines getting the services of MPL graduates. Here in seair i guarantee there will be no MPLs for the A320
The MPLs went through the fast track - what most of them lack is "real" flying ... I'd give them a few months to a year of flying to level the playing field before passing judgment, if ever.
So if I have to assess someone, I wouldn't care if he went through the CPL/IR route or the MPL route - I focus only on the person's performance during the specific time frame he/she is with me.
I wouldn't pass judgment on MPLs unless I've flown with one ... and I have .. also with all sorts of pilots for the last few decades.
I also wouldn't give a blanket judgment - only on that one person.
I don't consider myself qualified to make sweeping conclusions.
The MPLs went through the fast track - what most of them lack is "real" flying ... I'd give them a few months to a year of flying to level the playing field before passing judgment, if ever.
- I've flown with 25,000-hour pilots who are basket cases (couldn't even pass second officer training).
- I've flown with 3,000-hour+ pilots who I reckon are ready for widebody command .. and my fellow TRI/TREs express the same opinion
So if I have to assess someone, I wouldn't care if he went through the CPL/IR route or the MPL route - I focus only on the person's performance during the specific time frame he/she is with me.
- I've had loudmouths who mess up when they're in the hot seat
- I've had meek, silent types who keep cool and perform well under pressure.
I wouldn't pass judgment on MPLs unless I've flown with one ... and I have .. also with all sorts of pilots for the last few decades.
I also wouldn't give a blanket judgment - only on that one person.
I don't consider myself qualified to make sweeping conclusions.
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guys i think by now we all should know a wind up post when we see one. just ignore the ignoramus. i actually have doubts that the person is really employed in that airline.
also apologies for previously hinting it was the MPL cadet who was handling the plane. up to now my contacts won't confirm who was actually doing the landing. seems it's being treated as a cebupac state secret, though bagoongathipon has stated it must have been the captain.
also apologies for previously hinting it was the MPL cadet who was handling the plane. up to now my contacts won't confirm who was actually doing the landing. seems it's being treated as a cebupac state secret, though bagoongathipon has stated it must have been the captain.
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Its the captain alright. Based on my personal observation, they wont even do a straight visual approach, intercept downwind or intercept base in KLO even on a 9999 visibility. How much more let a beginner captain land an MPL on a captains runway? plus the factors that would make the captain decide to take over the control/perform a go around.
lastly, they have foms. If it was the FO who landed, they would have been fired right now and make news here!
lastly, they have foms. If it was the FO who landed, they would have been fired right now and make news here!
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What a pity you edited your original post..... very well written, it was.
But since you are a 500hr MPLr, what about pushing CIA to fulfill their obligations towards your course colleagues that are pining for an IOE chance?
What a shame CIA is!!!!
What a pity you edited your original post..... very well written, it was.
But since you are a 500hr MPLr, what about pushing CIA to fulfill their obligations towards your course colleagues that are pining for an IOE chance?
What a shame CIA is!!!!
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996th post
officially this is the 996th post in this thread. is it a testament to CIA (then CA) stamina or to the depth of their enduring crises?
some successes have been noted, but still as traveller rightly takes pains to remind everyone, this school has scammed 100+ cadets and up to now, a significant number have still not received what was promised to them.
when will things ever end?
some successes have been noted, but still as traveller rightly takes pains to remind everyone, this school has scammed 100+ cadets and up to now, a significant number have still not received what was promised to them.
when will things ever end?
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Well..... it was your post and you can do whatever you want with it. But I liked it as you exposed some misconceptions that some "astronauts" have regarding the MPL.
My questions remains though... what about your colleagues that are still suffering without any prospects of a job?
This is a question to all and sundry that frequent this forum and avoid the subject like the plague.
The whole pilot community should rise against the conmen that have and are running CIA and bring about a class criminal case agains them. And everybody knows who and where they are!!!
My questions remains though... what about your colleagues that are still suffering without any prospects of a job?
This is a question to all and sundry that frequent this forum and avoid the subject like the plague.
The whole pilot community should rise against the conmen that have and are running CIA and bring about a class criminal case agains them. And everybody knows who and where they are!!!
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The whole pilot community should rise against the conmen that have and are running CIA and bring about a class criminal case agains them. And everybody knows who and where they are!!!
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FYI the same ones that are managing CA now are the same ones from back in the early day's. Im sure your source in CA can elaborate and confirm.....
But I can understand Travellers posts pretty well, and I do simpathise with what Traveller is saying.
Unfortunately one must remember that the ones that are working, are actually the ones who were 100% or 50% sponsored, either by Cebu Pac or CA themselves. They will never do any kind of law suite cause they know that getting an airline job with that kind of deal is a dream come true, Bagoongathipon im sure you know how lucky you and your class mates are right. (in that aspect I do wish you all the best).
But what about the ones that are self sponsored, most of them are still waiting, the ones that paid.... they deserve the same opportunity right... Its Clark's lack of initiative and complacency that is delaying those students...
All in all the MPL training that was done at CA is above standard, and there are some very qualified pilots that have proven already that the program and training works. (working so well it seems to be intimidating some of the pilots still flying the turbo props).
But I can understand Travellers posts pretty well, and I do simpathise with what Traveller is saying.
Unfortunately one must remember that the ones that are working, are actually the ones who were 100% or 50% sponsored, either by Cebu Pac or CA themselves. They will never do any kind of law suite cause they know that getting an airline job with that kind of deal is a dream come true, Bagoongathipon im sure you know how lucky you and your class mates are right. (in that aspect I do wish you all the best
).But what about the ones that are self sponsored, most of them are still waiting, the ones that paid.... they deserve the same opportunity right... Its Clark's lack of initiative and complacency that is delaying those students...
All in all the MPL training that was done at CA is above standard, and there are some very qualified pilots that have proven already that the program and training works. (working so well it seems to be intimidating some of the pilots still flying the turbo props).
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... everybody knows who and where they are!!!
... now that really makes me insecure, the whole community knows and I don't ... may I know at least the initials?
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the same ones that are managing CA now are the same ones from back in the early day's. Im sure your source in CA can elaborate and confirm.....
My source tells me otherwise .. says it's easy to criticize from the bleachers ... there have been several changes in management since 2007 and the people who made the promises are no longer there so their task is to fix the mess.
May I know who these people (the ones who are still there) are so I can avoid the lying complacent varmints like the plague?
I know some MPL pilots - they're in four airlines - I'll get a better picture when I get their story. It'll take some time though - we're all busy flying, specially with Chinese New Year just around the corner - .恭喜發財 Kung Hei Fat Choy to everyone!
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Its true, there have been several changes in the management since 2007. Just in the GM department they must have changed half a dozen times by now.....
But its no secret that Alpha Aviation has been running CA since day one. Its simple really, follow the bread crumbs and it will lead you to the puppet master. Im not here to point fingers or name names... more than enough of that has been done in the last 50 odd pages of this forum. Im just stating the obvious here that the same key people that started this company are still around pulling all the strings....
Globalhawk is right, better to know who they really are, just to be able to avoid the complacent varmints...dont see what more could be done in that aspect....
The MPL'ers that I have Flown with until now have not once disappointed me in their abilities and knowledge. Keep up the great work and to those who are still waiting
.But its no secret that Alpha Aviation has been running CA since day one. Its simple really, follow the bread crumbs and it will lead you to the puppet master. Im not here to point fingers or name names... more than enough of that has been done in the last 50 odd pages of this forum. Im just stating the obvious here that the same key people that started this company are still around pulling all the strings....
Globalhawk is right, better to know who they really are, just to be able to avoid the complacent varmints...dont see what more could be done in that aspect....
The MPL'ers that I have Flown with until now have not once disappointed me in their abilities and knowledge. Keep up the great work and to those who are still waiting
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IMHO, i think the MPL works. it's unfortunate that CA has given it a bad name.
in the future i hope another operator in the philippines can start a new MPL sponsorship program but with totally credible guys to run the show right off the bat.
in the future i hope another operator in the philippines can start a new MPL sponsorship program but with totally credible guys to run the show right off the bat.