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Interesting and a very informative post.
Can I ask chaps what sort of monthly pay can an FO excpect to take home per month?
S$5600 basic plus all other allowances?Considering the living expences of Sing, commuting impossible unless prepared to have most of the slary eaten up by ID 75's, hardly worth the get out of bed bother on top of the second class citizen traetment, or have I got it wrong.(Hope I have)
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Can I ask chaps what sort of monthly pay can an FO excpect to take home per month?
S$5600 basic plus all other allowances?Considering the living expences of Sing, commuting impossible unless prepared to have most of the slary eaten up by ID 75's, hardly worth the get out of bed bother on top of the second class citizen traetment, or have I got it wrong.(Hope I have)
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I'm surprised to read about the hours you're flying, Bananas.
No-one I know is logging the same, and none have the rotations you're flying.
Yes you are fortunate to have them, but that's probably a function of cycles.
Though I hope it lasts it should be said to readers that your patterns, pay and degree of happiness with things in general is not shared throughout the Cargo division.
For those who wish to join SIAC, by all means do so.
And as you are informed, expect 40 hours flying a month over an 11 month working year with perhaps slightly less time commuting either in First or EY, each and every month.
No-one I know is logging the same, and none have the rotations you're flying.
Yes you are fortunate to have them, but that's probably a function of cycles.
Though I hope it lasts it should be said to readers that your patterns, pay and degree of happiness with things in general is not shared throughout the Cargo division.
For those who wish to join SIAC, by all means do so.
And as you are informed, expect 40 hours flying a month over an 11 month working year with perhaps slightly less time commuting either in First or EY, each and every month.
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Having just undergone the assessment for SIA cargo I am slightly concerned about all the positioning in Economy that you state. I was lead to believe at the interview that all positioning over 3 hours was in Business Class ,which I can live with.Is this incorrect?
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TFG
Having just undergone the assessment for SIA cargo I am slightly concerned about all the positioning in Economy that you state. I was lead to believe at the interview that all positioning over 3 hours was in Business Class ,which I can live with.Is this incorrect?
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Hey Guys (Gentlemen/Ladies), anyone with some good info on the SIAC interview sim assessment ride? I believe its done on the B777....or have they switched to something else.....the B747, perhaps?? Also, what of command upgrade prospects....what one's required to accept to have a speedy one, etc.(in addition to seniority)?? Cheers! 
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Experience levels
Thank you to all who have made informative posts. It's really appreciated.
Would someone be willing to post actual experience levels of successful FO candidates? Min and mean?
Thanks very much
Phlaps 40
Would someone be willing to post actual experience levels of successful FO candidates? Min and mean?
Thanks very much
Phlaps 40
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REMEMBER SQ CARGO IS ALL ABOUT PAXING AND MORE PAXING.
IF YOU ARE LUCKY YOU GET TO FLY.
GUYS THAT ARE HERE LIKE MYSELF JUST WAITING TO JUMP SHIP AS THE BOND TIME LAPSES.
SINGAPORE IS GREAT AS A PLACE NO OUTDOOR LIFE ONLY IN A BUS,TAXI OR A PARK 10X10 SIZE AND CELLPHONES.
IF YOU ARE LUCKY YOU GET TO FLY.
GUYS THAT ARE HERE LIKE MYSELF JUST WAITING TO JUMP SHIP AS THE BOND TIME LAPSES.
SINGAPORE IS GREAT AS A PLACE NO OUTDOOR LIFE ONLY IN A BUS,TAXI OR A PARK 10X10 SIZE AND CELLPHONES.
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What's missing? I fly over 75hrs (barring any roster changes) in June, and only pax once. Without being able to "see" anyone elses roster to look for where it might be "evened up", it's hard to know where the problems might be. In addition, is it a Capt. or FO problem? (Who has the better rosters?) I also might think that judging from your attitude twds your "domicile"... this place just generally sucks anyway, so that kinda gives me an idea of where the "tude" comes from...All that in mind, is it worth trying to fix? Or are you simply gonna roll over til it's time to go? Might want to think about your fellow crewmembers and how they might benefit from having this problem looked at. Going in to the boss with a complaint (about anything) without a possible solution in mind will only get you asked to "bounce" on out. Try to be constructive, and we might get somewhere.
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What's your problem Cargojock?
I agree that there could be more flying and less paxing in SIA Cargo but you and Warden seems to have lost it completely.
I average 50 hours a month and that's what I expected. One just had to look at the COP's which were given out during the interview and one could easily see that it wouldn't be more than that.
Outdoor life in Singapore? Of course it's not like Alaska or Australia but didn't you have a map when you signed up for this? With about 650 square km and 4.6 million people it's not so hard to understand that you can't do a three day wilderness trip, is it?
On the other hand, considering the long layovers you should have plenty of time to do your outdoors...
I have not met anyone who wants to leave because of few hours. I've met a couple of commuting guys that are unhappy and I can understand them. I would never try to commute while working for SIA Cargo, the unstable rosters and sporadic standbys would mean to many days wasted away from home.
Another thing; please release the caps lock button. Having it on only makes the text harder to read.
I agree that there could be more flying and less paxing in SIA Cargo but you and Warden seems to have lost it completely.
I average 50 hours a month and that's what I expected. One just had to look at the COP's which were given out during the interview and one could easily see that it wouldn't be more than that.
Outdoor life in Singapore? Of course it's not like Alaska or Australia but didn't you have a map when you signed up for this? With about 650 square km and 4.6 million people it's not so hard to understand that you can't do a three day wilderness trip, is it?
On the other hand, considering the long layovers you should have plenty of time to do your outdoors...
I have not met anyone who wants to leave because of few hours. I've met a couple of commuting guys that are unhappy and I can understand them. I would never try to commute while working for SIA Cargo, the unstable rosters and sporadic standbys would mean to many days wasted away from home.
Another thing; please release the caps lock button. Having it on only makes the text harder to read.
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I did my interview in february for Sia Cargo as a F/O. They checked my papers, 10 min interview and then sim-check in 777 sim.Medical the day after.
Not a big deal, as long you have all the papers in order.I met some of the Cpt and F/O`s(expat) over there,and got some information how things are in SIAC.Got an imp that the few Cpts i met were very happy and the F/O`s not that happy.I`ve now got an offer to start the conv-course in end of july...
Not a big deal, as long you have all the papers in order.I met some of the Cpt and F/O`s(expat) over there,and got some information how things are in SIAC.Got an imp that the few Cpts i met were very happy and the F/O`s not that happy.I`ve now got an offer to start the conv-course in end of july...
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Hi. I am here for almost 2 years and I have to agree with CARGOJOCK . For 2005 my flight time was 450 h. Positioning is 30-40h/month.
But I want to top up some more.
Travel. Our ID tickets as mentioned before are more expencive than street price (with firm seat). But our `free` tickets, once a year, are at the same price! It`s value goes to our income and we have to pay about 15% tax on that. For example europe flght, one way, is valued for ~3000,- SGD so we pay 450,- plus all taxes !! One way and they call it free !!! And this is not all. As they call it home base ticket, you can fly only to one (for ever) SIA destination, close to your home. No way to use this ticket for vacation to another place.
Child school allowence is 1400,- for a child, but again, it goes to our income, so pls deduct 15% from it, so it comes to ~ 1260,- I do not know if they pay it for the whole year, or only time the child goes to school.
You are talking about days off after long COP-s. So far, we, Cargo, follow a company policy (CA) it means unions deal. In the nearest future Cargo is going to use their own , CAA rules, so max number of off days after a long COP will be 4. The same is going to affect our hotels.
Resently, I was positioning together with other cpt from main fleet to LHR and BRU. His ticket (LHR-BRU)was booked and he was sitting in busines class, I was booked and sitting in economy. It is not a big deal, but a year ago we were flying together, and isn`t it a second category treatment ?
Things are going worse and worse, and for the future , there is no light in the tunnel.
For all new comers, consider all lies form the contract; excellent trvel , payment for positioning flights ( there is one case where they pay you for that, but it never happens on 744), free home base tickets, big bonus, productivity (they promise 7000/month, in real it is ~4800,-).
All the best for all.
But I want to top up some more.
Travel. Our ID tickets as mentioned before are more expencive than street price (with firm seat). But our `free` tickets, once a year, are at the same price! It`s value goes to our income and we have to pay about 15% tax on that. For example europe flght, one way, is valued for ~3000,- SGD so we pay 450,- plus all taxes !! One way and they call it free !!! And this is not all. As they call it home base ticket, you can fly only to one (for ever) SIA destination, close to your home. No way to use this ticket for vacation to another place.
Child school allowence is 1400,- for a child, but again, it goes to our income, so pls deduct 15% from it, so it comes to ~ 1260,- I do not know if they pay it for the whole year, or only time the child goes to school.
You are talking about days off after long COP-s. So far, we, Cargo, follow a company policy (CA) it means unions deal. In the nearest future Cargo is going to use their own , CAA rules, so max number of off days after a long COP will be 4. The same is going to affect our hotels.
Resently, I was positioning together with other cpt from main fleet to LHR and BRU. His ticket (LHR-BRU)was booked and he was sitting in busines class, I was booked and sitting in economy. It is not a big deal, but a year ago we were flying together, and isn`t it a second category treatment ?
Things are going worse and worse, and for the future , there is no light in the tunnel.
For all new comers, consider all lies form the contract; excellent trvel , payment for positioning flights ( there is one case where they pay you for that, but it never happens on 744), free home base tickets, big bonus, productivity (they promise 7000/month, in real it is ~4800,-).
All the best for all.
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at least someone agrees with me remember guys and gals i have told you the whole truth.
Yes with singapore airlines it is hard to believe thats why everybody was hesitant to accept the true position in SQ CARGO.
Thanks what a relief.
at least someone agrees with me remember guys and gals i have told you the whole truth.
Yes with singapore airlines it is hard to believe thats why everybody was hesitant to accept the true position in SQ CARGO.
Thanks what a relief.
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Hi guys,
Couple of questions about Jack747's post, if I may...I am pretty sure the school fees equal 12 months, can someone comfirm for us? Thx. Regarding the ALPA S and CGO T and C's, where did you get this info? I would like to see some material wrt your statement. No challenge from me here, I am simply curious as to how this might happen? As far as where a crew gets to sit when paxing, I was informed after asking about it that seniority (if it exists) designates where a crewmember might sit. If there is space galore, we all get a good seat (According, of course, to the rules) but when space is tight; expect fare paying pax to get the seat, not you. It's the same almost everywhere. Speaking of everywhere...tax on tix? Get used to it, no airline I can think of will give a "freebie" when they have to pay tax (also see taxable benefits) or have govt implemented surcharges on it themselves. Pass it ALL on to you...ask your buddies at other airlines, I would bet that they have to cough up $$$ as well. Standard practise all over the world. Sorry to have to break it to you here. Hope the rest of the job is OK, it does sound like the place is not too bad, and if a guy was to chill a bit... it might be fun...
C YA
Couple of questions about Jack747's post, if I may...I am pretty sure the school fees equal 12 months, can someone comfirm for us? Thx. Regarding the ALPA S and CGO T and C's, where did you get this info? I would like to see some material wrt your statement. No challenge from me here, I am simply curious as to how this might happen? As far as where a crew gets to sit when paxing, I was informed after asking about it that seniority (if it exists) designates where a crewmember might sit. If there is space galore, we all get a good seat (According, of course, to the rules) but when space is tight; expect fare paying pax to get the seat, not you. It's the same almost everywhere. Speaking of everywhere...tax on tix? Get used to it, no airline I can think of will give a "freebie" when they have to pay tax (also see taxable benefits) or have govt implemented surcharges on it themselves. Pass it ALL on to you...ask your buddies at other airlines, I would bet that they have to cough up $$$ as well. Standard practise all over the world. Sorry to have to break it to you here. Hope the rest of the job is OK, it does sound like the place is not too bad, and if a guy was to chill a bit... it might be fun...
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school fees
The school fees are paid for the time the child is at school and NOT during the holidays.
The taxes you pay of about 15% are paid on the price of a full fare ticket when you get a so called free ticket and you also pay the fuel surcharge.
The info about Cargo and Mainline splitting the Ts and Cs plus future planning came from a letter to all pilots on the 744 by the 744 mainline CP.
Left Coaster, if you come here your "happiness graph" is in need of a touch of reality. Im sure Jack747 and cargojock had similar happiness graphs to yours before they arrived and it takes a couple of years for the reality to be fully registered. It is a good job from a flying view and it is one of very few companies where the pilots are all screaming for more work but it costs a lot more than you are aware of to set yourself up so bring lots of $$$s
The taxes you pay of about 15% are paid on the price of a full fare ticket when you get a so called free ticket and you also pay the fuel surcharge.
The info about Cargo and Mainline splitting the Ts and Cs plus future planning came from a letter to all pilots on the 744 by the 744 mainline CP.
Left Coaster, if you come here your "happiness graph" is in need of a touch of reality. Im sure Jack747 and cargojock had similar happiness graphs to yours before they arrived and it takes a couple of years for the reality to be fully registered. It is a good job from a flying view and it is one of very few companies where the pilots are all screaming for more work but it costs a lot more than you are aware of to set yourself up so bring lots of $$$s
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I don't know about anyone else, but I get the reimbursment based on 12 months. Holidays make no difference at all.
As for the tax on tickets, that's true, but I haven't paid any fuel surcharge.
I have averaged about 550 hours/year and 13 hours of positioning for the past 16 months.
Granted a FO will do a lot more positioning than Captains do.
As for the tax on tickets, that's true, but I haven't paid any fuel surcharge.
I have averaged about 550 hours/year and 13 hours of positioning for the past 16 months.
Granted a FO will do a lot more positioning than Captains do.