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It's been my privilege to work as an expat for some time now.
I describe it thus not because living abroad is any better than living back home, but because it has broadened my mind.
And in that time, I've seen a lot of ignorance. The dumb-ass post from Jock is an example. You give expats a bad name, pal.
Gengis, you might need to consider the effect of your post.
Airing our dirty laundry, which it is, brings the company into disrepute. The incidents you have so flagrantly exposed are firmly dealt with in-house. At this stage, you have achieved nothing more than to degrade your colleagues.
I describe it thus not because living abroad is any better than living back home, but because it has broadened my mind.
And in that time, I've seen a lot of ignorance. The dumb-ass post from Jock is an example. You give expats a bad name, pal.
Gengis, you might need to consider the effect of your post.
Airing our dirty laundry, which it is, brings the company into disrepute. The incidents you have so flagrantly exposed are firmly dealt with in-house. At this stage, you have achieved nothing more than to degrade your colleagues.
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Originally Posted by 4PW's
It's been my privilege to work as an expat for some time now.
I describe it thus not because living abroad is any better than living back home, but because it has broadened my mind.
And in that time, I've seen a lot of ignorance. The dumb-ass post from Jock is an example. You give expats a bad name, pal.
Gengis, you might need to consider the effect of your post.
Airing our dirty laundry, which it is, brings the company into disrepute. The incidents you have so flagrantly exposed are firmly dealt with in-house. At this stage, you have achieved nothing more than to degrade your colleagues.
I describe it thus not because living abroad is any better than living back home, but because it has broadened my mind.
And in that time, I've seen a lot of ignorance. The dumb-ass post from Jock is an example. You give expats a bad name, pal.
Gengis, you might need to consider the effect of your post.
Airing our dirty laundry, which it is, brings the company into disrepute. The incidents you have so flagrantly exposed are firmly dealt with in-house. At this stage, you have achieved nothing more than to degrade your colleagues.
Couldn't have said it better!!!
The worst day at SQ/SQC is better than the best day at other carriers I've worked at.
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CLARIFICATION ON SQ CARGO
dear folks,
firstly the truth hurts.
i am not shooting in the dark as one implyed,i know so. as a discreet channel of information names are excluded.
as gengis mentioned those incidents are quite normal in SQ read the safety booklet, hence was the introduction "1000 feet stabilised no flags" , " RWY xxx IDENTIFIED" this after the taipei crash.
the system is what has caused it. captains are not supposed to give landings to FO as per the FAM-flight administration manual if wind crosswind more that X amount,rain, snow, certain airfileds due runway lenghts etc , all this has caused the young FO not to experience real flying with hands on stick and rudder.
only the expat captains would let the FO experience such situations as they have better experiences out of the system.
FO land in cavok light winds clear blue skies GREAT!!! no no...
hence when it comes to their command the poor chaps struggle to make it that is why a command upgrade course is 9-12 months.!!!!!!!!!!
as for the tough landings YES all the mainline rats locals especially avoid ancourage during winter. dublin due field length and they take their leave during this period. thats right finer details maybe you guys had not noticed.
SQ cargo is acceptable not ideal as there is a disparity in the TC. however i would only ask that the COP are made productive instead of all the paxing around.ref SQC web site allowances have been revised to lower figures.
keep firing...........lads
firstly the truth hurts.
i am not shooting in the dark as one implyed,i know so. as a discreet channel of information names are excluded.
as gengis mentioned those incidents are quite normal in SQ read the safety booklet, hence was the introduction "1000 feet stabilised no flags" , " RWY xxx IDENTIFIED" this after the taipei crash.
the system is what has caused it. captains are not supposed to give landings to FO as per the FAM-flight administration manual if wind crosswind more that X amount,rain, snow, certain airfileds due runway lenghts etc , all this has caused the young FO not to experience real flying with hands on stick and rudder.
only the expat captains would let the FO experience such situations as they have better experiences out of the system.
FO land in cavok light winds clear blue skies GREAT!!! no no...
hence when it comes to their command the poor chaps struggle to make it that is why a command upgrade course is 9-12 months.!!!!!!!!!!
as for the tough landings YES all the mainline rats locals especially avoid ancourage during winter. dublin due field length and they take their leave during this period. thats right finer details maybe you guys had not noticed.
SQ cargo is acceptable not ideal as there is a disparity in the TC. however i would only ask that the COP are made productive instead of all the paxing around.ref SQC web site allowances have been revised to lower figures.
keep firing...........lads
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I prefer to be an expact pilot on SQC than work for EVA or CAL,. Everyone is free to write, but trust me there are worst places to be. I see many pilots trying to get a job on company`s as SQC.
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guys, stop complaining, you've gotten the job and are flying, that's what counts, the passion.
i've still got to will till 26 to apply thanks to the concerned government.
the sia website says [successful candidates will be offered employment with sia/silkair/sia cargo] based on what i've read, being with sia is much better than sia cargo. how do they post the fresh trainees? pro'er ones to sia and the noobs to sia cargo?
i've still got to will till 26 to apply thanks to the concerned government.
the sia website says [successful candidates will be offered employment with sia/silkair/sia cargo] based on what i've read, being with sia is much better than sia cargo. how do they post the fresh trainees? pro'er ones to sia and the noobs to sia cargo?
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Cargo Jock, both of the said incidences were by SQC EXPATS inside a span of six months, showing off their "wealth of experience" which all the impressionable locals love to learn from...
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how do they post the fresh trainees? pro'er ones to sia and the noobs to sia cargo?
And I find your statement about "noobs being posted to sia cargo" offensive.
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Sorry, what I meant was maybe they post new cadets according to how they did during training.
You're implying that its more of random luck that new cadets go to sia cargo or sia, when this thread suggests that sia pilots are better off? Not very fair isn't it?
You're implying that its more of random luck that new cadets go to sia cargo or sia, when this thread suggests that sia pilots are better off? Not very fair isn't it?
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Originally Posted by gengis
Cargo Jock, both of the said incidences were by SQC EXPATS inside a span of six months, showing off their "wealth of experience" which all the impressionable locals love to learn from...
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Calm down, gentleman......
Calm down, gentlmen.....Here is a poor pilot who even don't have job.
I understand there is a conflict among us. I have seen in my previous company. The military and civil pilot's dispute about flying skill.
But let's calm down.
I also think this kind of "flying skill" is not a proper subject which post in this forum.
Let's not fight for nothing. At least, I admire all you guys as a nice propessional pilots.
Anyway I'm in deep trouble. I know just one phone call can solve it but Hee Hee Hee...well....I'm a coward.
Is there anybody who have any notice from SIA cargo after interview.
I had interview on may. I know it usually take 4-6 weeks but Do they also call or email to everybody? ( I mean not only for successful candidate but also who doesn't make it)
many thanks.
I understand there is a conflict among us. I have seen in my previous company. The military and civil pilot's dispute about flying skill.
But let's calm down.
I also think this kind of "flying skill" is not a proper subject which post in this forum.
Let's not fight for nothing. At least, I admire all you guys as a nice propessional pilots.
Anyway I'm in deep trouble. I know just one phone call can solve it but Hee Hee Hee...well....I'm a coward.
Is there anybody who have any notice from SIA cargo after interview.
I had interview on may. I know it usually take 4-6 weeks but Do they also call or email to everybody? ( I mean not only for successful candidate but also who doesn't make it)
many thanks.
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Nobody is immune
Hello Gents.
Compliments to Phil Squares for trying to add decorum to some rather inconsiderate statements.
Cargo Jock.... I have been in SIA far longer than you, and your statements are the kind that not only give expats a bad name, but also tempt fate. I assume you sleep very well at night knowing that you will NEVER have an incident or accident, as your operation is so superior to many others.
I know that I will never sleep as well as you, because I will never feel immune.
I also suggest you learn how to spell ANCHORAGE, seeing as you make so many references to it.
I also agree with PS that airing in-house flight safety data in a public forum is not very professional.
If you would have the guts to identify yourself Cargo Jock, I will look forward to flying with you, and you opening my eyes to what you seem to know so well about SIA/SQC.
Until then, I trust your sweeping statements, and disdain for your local co-pilots, will not catch up with you too terribly.
Compliments to Phil Squares for trying to add decorum to some rather inconsiderate statements.
Cargo Jock.... I have been in SIA far longer than you, and your statements are the kind that not only give expats a bad name, but also tempt fate. I assume you sleep very well at night knowing that you will NEVER have an incident or accident, as your operation is so superior to many others.
I know that I will never sleep as well as you, because I will never feel immune.
I also suggest you learn how to spell ANCHORAGE, seeing as you make so many references to it.
I also agree with PS that airing in-house flight safety data in a public forum is not very professional.
If you would have the guts to identify yourself Cargo Jock, I will look forward to flying with you, and you opening my eyes to what you seem to know so well about SIA/SQC.
Until then, I trust your sweeping statements, and disdain for your local co-pilots, will not catch up with you too terribly.
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Yep Like 'In the slot' I am one of Cargo Jock's "Mainline Rats" who has many more flights with local pilots than he has managed in his short stay with SIA.
Saying that we and especially local Capts avoid Anchorage in winter- makes good, ego salving cockpit banter and the odd dimwit may believe such nonsense but it simply isnt true. Anchorage is no big deal in winter Cargo Jock, except for you perhaps, and is no different to any other European, Asian or American destination in inclement wx.
I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you. Your superior abilities should be put to better use so dont hold back, go in and show management how they are slipping up on pilot productivity. It can only improve your flying and time away.
Saying that we and especially local Capts avoid Anchorage in winter- makes good, ego salving cockpit banter and the odd dimwit may believe such nonsense but it simply isnt true. Anchorage is no big deal in winter Cargo Jock, except for you perhaps, and is no different to any other European, Asian or American destination in inclement wx.
I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you. Your superior abilities should be put to better use so dont hold back, go in and show management how they are slipping up on pilot productivity. It can only improve your flying and time away.
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The course can take anything between 3 and 5 months to be on line, depending on Simulator availability and aircraft. There is plenty of time off between various events. If there is a delay in sim you may well find you are sent on forced leave as SQ like to get rid of this whilst you are unproductive.On my course years ago local F/O's who were not able to be slotted into the sim for three days were forced to take these three days as leave!!
If you leave Singapore during days off it will be at your expense as there is no entitlement to tickets until 6 months in the company. Unlikely that you will get enough days off in a row during the training to go anywhere except close by unless it is taken as leave.
The course can take anything between 3 and 5 months to be on line, depending on Simulator availability and aircraft. There is plenty of time off between various events. If there is a delay in sim you may well find you are sent on forced leave as SQ like to get rid of this whilst you are unproductive.On my course years ago local F/O's who were not able to be slotted into the sim for three days were forced to take these three days as leave!!
If you leave Singapore during days off it will be at your expense as there is no entitlement to tickets until 6 months in the company. Unlikely that you will get enough days off in a row during the training to go anywhere except close by unless it is taken as leave.
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WHY!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted by Chambudzi
Yep Like 'In the slot' I am one of Cargo Jock's "Mainline Rats" who has many more flights with local pilots than he has managed in his short stay with SIA.
Saying that we and especially local Capts avoid Anchorage in winter- makes good, ego salving cockpit banter and the odd dimwit may believe such nonsense but it simply isnt true. Anchorage is no big deal in winter Cargo Jock, except for you perhaps, and is no different to any other European, Asian or American destination in inclement wx.
I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you. Your superior abilities should be put to better use so dont hold back, go in and show management how they are slipping up on pilot productivity. It can only improve your flying and time away.
Saying that we and especially local Capts avoid Anchorage in winter- makes good, ego salving cockpit banter and the odd dimwit may believe such nonsense but it simply isnt true. Anchorage is no big deal in winter Cargo Jock, except for you perhaps, and is no different to any other European, Asian or American destination in inclement wx.
I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you. Your superior abilities should be put to better use so dont hold back, go in and show management how they are slipping up on pilot productivity. It can only improve your flying and time away.
do you agree that a command course for the local lads on the 744 or 777 take 9-12 months to complete?.
if so why?...... i can tell you so because they have only landed in CAVOK less than 5 knots. some lads when they are due for command they refuse sectors, so i asked why so they cannot muck it up!!!! yes thats how tense they are....
command should be a change of seat most of the lads taking command have 6500-7000 hours what a waste. they are hardly given sectors most of them love to fly with expats as they give them more flying experience.
as for the rosters the mainline rats sorry for the reference but it is true you guys treat the cargo lads like trash, you take all the plum cargo flights why don' you change fleets the pax 744 fleet is dying and you must learn to change over to new technology.
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Cargo Jock
You seem to believe there is some kind of raging argument between you and me over Copilot to Capt training in SIA. There is no discussion in my post about this subject. I suggest you read what "In the Slot" had to say to you again and answer him, since my comments were in full support of his view.
My particular argument with you is --
1) Your devisive referal to me and the 300 odd SIA mainline 744 Capts as "Mainline Rats". You are constructing a division between us that I believe most of your Cargo compatriots don't want. Perhaps we could hear from some of them on this matter.
2)That you are imbued with superior flying skills which are forced into use when we supposedly avoid Anchorage and Dublin during winter. This nonsense is born out of your ego and a paranoid imagination.
"as for the rosters the mainline rats sorry for the reference but it is true you guys treat the cargo lads like trash, you take all the plum cargo flights why don' you change fleets the pax 744 fleet is dying and you must learn to change over to new technology"
This last statement is juvenile and it is a bit worrying that such a lack of logic exists in the mind of one of our operating Capts. Precisely how do I/we 'treat cargo pilots as trash' and why would I/we even want to. None of us writes our own rosters so we are incapable of 'taking the plum flights'. Your comments about changing fleets and new technology are pointless within your argument.
We fly the rosters we are given, wether it be summer or winter, within the boundaries of a bidding system that allows us about 4 bids/flights per year--- just like you.
I refer you back to the main thrust of my previous post.
"I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you".
You seem to believe there is some kind of raging argument between you and me over Copilot to Capt training in SIA. There is no discussion in my post about this subject. I suggest you read what "In the Slot" had to say to you again and answer him, since my comments were in full support of his view.
My particular argument with you is --
1) Your devisive referal to me and the 300 odd SIA mainline 744 Capts as "Mainline Rats". You are constructing a division between us that I believe most of your Cargo compatriots don't want. Perhaps we could hear from some of them on this matter.
2)That you are imbued with superior flying skills which are forced into use when we supposedly avoid Anchorage and Dublin during winter. This nonsense is born out of your ego and a paranoid imagination.
"as for the rosters the mainline rats sorry for the reference but it is true you guys treat the cargo lads like trash, you take all the plum cargo flights why don' you change fleets the pax 744 fleet is dying and you must learn to change over to new technology"
This last statement is juvenile and it is a bit worrying that such a lack of logic exists in the mind of one of our operating Capts. Precisely how do I/we 'treat cargo pilots as trash' and why would I/we even want to. None of us writes our own rosters so we are incapable of 'taking the plum flights'. Your comments about changing fleets and new technology are pointless within your argument.
We fly the rosters we are given, wether it be summer or winter, within the boundaries of a bidding system that allows us about 4 bids/flights per year--- just like you.
I refer you back to the main thrust of my previous post.
"I suggest you avoid your devisive rants Cargo Jock. If you were more objective you would take the cargo COPS and rearrange them to make all cargo pilots more productive yourself. Believe me, if there is a way to get less 'paxing' done with the same amount of pilots, SIA would love to hear from you".
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blade747 Line Training about 8 Sectors which was what I did but I had been to most of the places in the SQ network before.
I will not get involved in the rant elsewhere on this thread.
I will not get involved in the rant elsewhere on this thread.
Chimbudzi - I could not agree with you more - well said.
CargoJock your statement ".......... but it is true you guys treat the cargo lads like trash," is way off the mark. I will give you that a few of the more senior old crusty boys may be derisive, but most of us "mainline rats" as you so eloquently call us, would sympathise with cargo guys.
The reason that a command course takes 9-12 months here, is beacuse of the system that is used - it is archaic and far too long, but that is the system they ( the management) use, and it is not because the F/Os do not not how to fly or handle adverse conditions. This is a punitive airline, and who can argue with the attitude of first officers that would rather let the captain be the PF when conditions are challenging.
CargoJock your statement ".......... but it is true you guys treat the cargo lads like trash," is way off the mark. I will give you that a few of the more senior old crusty boys may be derisive, but most of us "mainline rats" as you so eloquently call us, would sympathise with cargo guys.
The reason that a command course takes 9-12 months here, is beacuse of the system that is used - it is archaic and far too long, but that is the system they ( the management) use, and it is not because the F/Os do not not how to fly or handle adverse conditions. This is a punitive airline, and who can argue with the attitude of first officers that would rather let the captain be the PF when conditions are challenging.
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