SIA CARGO

[Hachiouji-shi]

cargojock

yeah i agree with you absolutely, passion/love - too much of it ( sometimes we never realise it has gone too far ), screws us up big time. Big time. things will just get better as the days go on, thats for sure too.

[airbusboeingdriver]

Originally Posted by AiRBuS_380

cool down bro.
we knw wats goin on in SQ
rem our passion is to fly... keep it going really hope things will change for the cargo operations.

for the pax operation we get **** too... its just a matter of perception
yes i get a average of 85hrs a month.

i am a fo for b744 and currenting with type conversion for A380, hope to see u convert to pax crew once your time comes.
relax bro..

great way to fly
singapore airlines

hey 380! we meet again.

you heard any news about possible merge of pax and cargo pilots flying pax and cargo fleet in common?

bro, we are relaxing!

[taufanganas]

hi 380. just curious about your posting. are you on the 744 now and doing a380 type conversion? didn't know that crew had been selected and training commenced for the 380. also wrt averaging 85hrs-how many months have you been counting? i thought fleet tried to keep hours averaged to about 70?cheers

[faheel]

he is pulling his pud mate!!

There is no A380 conv going on at the moment, as for 85hrs a month on the 744 cargo that is rubbish too.

UNLESS you are a mainline f/0 then you can get the hours up, but as a dedicated 744 cargo pilot..no way.

As for merging mainline and cargo? forget it, aint going to happen.

[CARGOJOCK]

faheel,

you are right we all do agree that the MAINLINE BOYS get the plum flights.

we second class cargo lads get the scraps. one cargo jocky says he just carries extra fuel 5T although i disagree with his attitude, the wrong perseption is spreading and just imagine if everybody starts doing this. the fuel bill will be over the moon.

i just cannot see why the flight are not shared or let the cargo boys the priority on cargo flights and the mainline boys on their flights.

it is said that the old bold types on the 744 fleet that cannot cope with conversions to newer aircraft like the 777 and upgraded avionics are the real rascals behind these unprofessional rostering methods.

well they do not want cargo pilots joining in as they think the cargo lads fly inferior, however the mainline boys are the guys that avoid ANC/CPH/NKG during the winter periods.

most of the unstable landings are done by mainline crews that fly on cargo aircraft as they get caught out due to the increased landing weight. however the statistics go as cargo so the dedicated cargo pilots get the mud.

ask all the FO they enjoy flying with cargo pilots as they show more experience and the cockpit enviorment is calmer.

but we will just have to keep at it as the bond keeps ringing in my mind.

take care you all that want to join SQ CARGO remember you pax more than you fly.

[Round D. Globe]

Paxing

Cargojock,

Is there any kind of compensation with all this Deadheading?
i.e. hourly rate, flat daily rate, anything? Also, how much longer do you
have on your bond? What will be your next Airline choice? You seem pretty unhappy.

RDG

[Warden777]

Originally Posted by Round D. Globe

Cargojock,
Is there any kind of compensation with all this Deadheading?
i.e. hourly rate, flat daily rate, anything? Also, how much longer do you
have on your bond? What will be your next Airline choice? You seem pretty unhappy.
RDG

NO!!!!!!!
but u will get totaly unstable roster ,

[CARGOJOCK]

SQ CARGO Vs MAINLINE

HI ROUND D GLOBE

NO MATE NOT REALLY UNHAPPY JUST PISSED OFF AT HOW THEY TREAT PEOPLE.

I MAINTAIN MY PROFESSIONALISM SAVE FUEL FLY SAFE LIKE MOST OF US AND THEN THEY TREAT US AS SECOND CLASS LADS.AS MENTIONED EARLIER A BLOKE TAKES 5T EACH TIME HE SAYS WHY SHOULD HE PUT HIS ASS ON THE LINE IF THEY DO NOT CARE, I SOMETIMES TEND TO AGREE.

THE MAINLINE BOYS ALWAYS UPLIFT EXTRA FUEL. THE OLD TIMERS JUST CANNOT TAKE THE HEAT I GUESS THEY WILL DIE WITH THE 747. KNOWING SQ NOW WELL I AM SURE THEY WILL JUST MAINTAIN A FEW FOR THE SENIOR LOT. THESE GUYS CAN NEVER CHANGE OVER TO 777 OR A345 THE A380 FOR THEM WILL BE JUST NOT POSSIBLE.

LIFE WAS NEVER MEANT TO BE FAIR BUT HEY I AM IN IT HAD AN OPEN MIND WHEN I JOINED BUT THEY JUST DONT CARE.

I AM DEBT FREE BUT I JUST CANNOT KISS MY BOND AWAY. ABOUT ANOTHER AIRLINE I GUESS WILL HAVE TO KEEP LOOKING AT THE RIGHT TIME RATHER REMAIN IN THE EAST.

I HAVE OVER 24 MONTHS TO GO.

SHALL BITE MY LIPS AND HOLD ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

IF THE ROSTERING CAN BE REVAMPED, BUT THIS IS JUST NOT POSSIBLE WITH THE MAINLINE LADS.

[AiRBuS_380]

hi
im not flying cargo B744F. i am fly the pax b744 aircraft and i hit 85hrs last mth.
and i was select for A380...pls read the postings carefully before zapping around.

cheers

[billkill]

IMO, cargo or mainline, it's been known in the industry that SIA ain't a very good employer. But also, how much you like it depends on yourself. I remember when I was in training and started flying, I encountered many problems. Girlfriend left me, argued with superiors, and etc. In summary, life sucked when I was serving the bond. But things worked itself out. Am happily married with an understanding family, work's smooth sailing...for the moment.., and etc. I feel every company has it flaws, especially management wise...and sometimes you just got to sit in there and hang tight till better opportunities come around.

for pax, an average is about 75hours...ranges from 68-80 actually. sometimes it can be more no doubt or less. I have friends in Cargo and some love it some don't. Those that do, do complain about positioning. But they make the best out of positioning flights instead of sitting there wasting time away. Thos that hate positioning and all mainly have families to think about and I guess would rather spend time with family than with those "pretty" stewardesses...haha it's all about personal lifestyle and preference I guess.

[Round D. Globe]

Cargojock,BillKill

Thanks for the replies, This helps with the decision making process
for me if SQ happens to call. As I would have to enter a bond as well
and that's a long time to be miserable.

BillKill et al , How much time do you get in Singapore with your family?
It seems like most guys on this thread are getting about two weeks
at home of course not all together,on average. Is that close?


RDG

[jollyt]

AirBus 380
No one is "zapping around" here. You have exposed yourself as a fraud. I know for a FACT that A380 crew selection hasn't even taken place and courses will only start after July. Who you trying to kid here!

[Fly3]

Jollyt is correct. There has been no selection done for the A380 yet. The likely date for that will be June/July this year depending on when the aircraft are going to arrive in Singapore. It is also likely that the first batch will be ex-A340 people who it is believed will be able to convert more easily to the type.

[Mr Gammon Flaps]

Hi Chaps: Could anyone provide the amount that SIA require to be put down as a bank guarantee for First Officers on contract terms? Do you actually have to pitch up with the cash? Do they pay interest?

I tried the search function but couldn't tie down the answer.

cheers

[billkill]

RDG,

For pax, it's around 2 weeks here and there. For cargo, I am not too sure.
If you are an instructor, it's a different story.
But on the whole, it's about 2 weeks.
It's kind of enough for me though. I am sort of a loner and prefer more alone time.

About A380 crews, I've heard rumours that the crews have already been chosen and briefed. I myself have not been chosen or such so I don't think I have the right to comment. But none of the people I know have been called up yet. Rumour or not, someone please enlighten me as I would also like to know.

[taufanganas]

further to the a380 selection training-the terms/conditions have not been finalised yet with the association. there have been those who 'volunteered' to go across but i do not think that the majority would not be too pleased with them. last i heard was that 744 was too tight to release bodies, so the initial courses (whenever they are) will be predominantly 777/345 chaps.

now airbus person: am i right in saying that last month you flew 85h and that for your average for the last month is 85h? or is the time frame longer (2months?2years?).or perhaps the word average has changed in meaning somewhat. i'm 'zappingly' keen to know! since i've had only 3 months past 85 hrs in the past 96+ months! cheers

[CARGOJOCK]

SQ CARGO

News:

BA has eextended the retirement age to 60.

Well thats going to affect SQ CARGO as they have a few ex BA 744 jocks.

If they keep at this difference towards the CARGO lads they will have a lot of trouble finding jockeys.

I just hear yesterday that all this mourning has some concern with the management and an attempt to bridge this difference may take place starting with the roster.
MAYBE THE MANAGEMENT IS LOOKING AT THIS CHAT LINE?

irrespective of any preference of lifestyles if they do away with this level of paxing and up the flying hours of the cargo crews i think most will be happy. stable and clean country where the system works.

it will be an uphill task to rid or get the old SQ jockeys to fall in line.

the bond for B744 is S$56,000 payable with a bank in singapore. bank commission is 0.5% - 1.5% on top valid for 5year and 8 months.

take care lads

[Warden777]

Originally Posted by Round D. Globe

Cargojock,BillKill

Thanks for the replies, This helps with the decision making process
for me if SQ happens to call. As I would have to enter a bond as well
and that's a long time to be miserable.

BillKill et al , How much time do you get in Singapore with your family?
It seems like most guys on this thread are getting about two weeks
at home of course not all together,on average. Is that close?


RDG

Hi RDG
U've to put in bank 56 000, but bank guarantee is 120 000, pls correct me if i'm wrong.
U need to know that SIA pilots, even if they are flying cargo, they're doing less paxing patterns than cargo crews.
More less; flying in cargo is like - 9 to 14 days out of sin,and after that 4 to 6days home. but roster is unstable and covers only next pattern and days off.

[BANANASBANANAS]

I have not been released to line more than a few months but so far the job is everything SIA Cargo advertised itself as.

Bond: You have to put up 56K which will actually require a deposit of about 60k as the charges are all front end loaded by the banks. Total bond is 142k.

So far I have found the roster to be fine but that is all down to personal preference I guess. I come back from a 12 day COP, have 6 days OFF then start 14 days holiday. Commuting could be a problem unless you have ID90 entitlement from your previous company. Again, my personal circumstances mean that isn't an issue for us.

Sure, staff travel and leave entitlement could be better but this is a new airline. Lets win one battle at a time.

[readufive]

Bananasbananas....hi....I think you have made me a bit nervous 142k??...gulp! I have been invited for an interview in late april for SIA cargo and I am pretty excited about it.....but, what do you actually mean by "142k"??
I was under the impression the bond was "only" 56k(SGD)......


Please explain a bit further........many thanks. How it works....etc....