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Hey guys....asia757......that does not sound good. I interviewed in late may.....................I have tried to write to them via email, to ask about the process......but no real news..just no status on my application.......definately no talk about start dates.
Yikes....very strange.....anyway i still hope to hear from them soon....I guess.
Yikes....very strange.....anyway i still hope to hear from them soon....I guess.
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What Chances
Boring i know but with no glass time what are my chances with SQ Cargo.
Briefly... 12000hrs 9000p1 jet.
Cpt widebody on dc10 cargo aircraft
UK TRI
sensible replies chaps,keen to apply but no glass,
many thanks
Briefly... 12000hrs 9000p1 jet.
Cpt widebody on dc10 cargo aircraft
UK TRI
sensible replies chaps,keen to apply but no glass,
many thanks
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Your chance is huge,no doubt. Be careful with the paperwork. This is the place where most of the competition's done. Don't screw it and you are in. Coming from a good company helps a lot. Your credentials and background is 75% of the deal. Good luck.
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Issues At Cargo
A Special Meeting Has Been Called For Sia Cargo Pilots On The 18th August.
This Has Been Arranged To Address Issues, As There Is A Growing Resentment Amongst The Cargo Crews.
Rosters Are The Primary Reason As Many Crews Still Average 25-35 Fligt Hours A Month And Paxing For 45-55 Hours.
Preference Still Is Extended To The Dying Mainline 747 Crews Who Continue To Get The Best Of Both Worlds.
This Has Been Arranged To Address Issues, As There Is A Growing Resentment Amongst The Cargo Crews.
Rosters Are The Primary Reason As Many Crews Still Average 25-35 Fligt Hours A Month And Paxing For 45-55 Hours.
Preference Still Is Extended To The Dying Mainline 747 Crews Who Continue To Get The Best Of Both Worlds.
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As always Millerscourt you talk total rubbish in my opinion.
You say why shouldn't mainline have priority? Well that's the whole point mate. We are supposed to be going independent, therefore the influence of mainline should be reducing. I know that mainline, and particularly, B744 may have their own axe to grind. However, the fact remains that IF SIA Cargo are really serious about setting up an independent operation, then the influence of mainline should absolutely NOT have anything to do with it!
I realise that I may be accused of naivety on this subject but the fact remains that many intelligent and well meaning people have made decisions on the shape of SIA Cargo and are implementing those decisions. To be eternally cynical in the way that you are is to ignore any decision making of any sort ever. (Maybe that is a definition of people like you?).
Somewhere there has to be a fact as to how this operation is to be run and to suggest that mainline (B744) pilots will always have priority when it is a dying fleet and as I reiterate, Cargo is attempting earnestly, in my opinion (at our level), to become a seperate operation is wrong.
Well, I have to say this is as ridiculous as many of your comments over the years.
Sorry mate, my opinion. You are terribly mis-leading in your message
You say why shouldn't mainline have priority? Well that's the whole point mate. We are supposed to be going independent, therefore the influence of mainline should be reducing. I know that mainline, and particularly, B744 may have their own axe to grind. However, the fact remains that IF SIA Cargo are really serious about setting up an independent operation, then the influence of mainline should absolutely NOT have anything to do with it!
I realise that I may be accused of naivety on this subject but the fact remains that many intelligent and well meaning people have made decisions on the shape of SIA Cargo and are implementing those decisions. To be eternally cynical in the way that you are is to ignore any decision making of any sort ever. (Maybe that is a definition of people like you?).
Somewhere there has to be a fact as to how this operation is to be run and to suggest that mainline (B744) pilots will always have priority when it is a dying fleet and as I reiterate, Cargo is attempting earnestly, in my opinion (at our level), to become a seperate operation is wrong.
Well, I have to say this is as ridiculous as many of your comments over the years.
Sorry mate, my opinion. You are terribly mis-leading in your message
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O' Neill No 6 Firstly I am not your mate and secondly I said why wouldn't not shouldn't ( too subtle for you clearly to understand the difference) and it was a tongue in cheek remark which clearly flew well over your head.
Until such times as SQ Cargo is 100% self sufficient as far as Captains are concerned it will always be more efficient to use Mainline Pilots on a lot of the cargo trips as they can operate to some places as passenger flights and pick up a Cargo flight. As you lot do not get paid for positioning SQ will always take the cheaper option. That has always been how SQ have operated and never likely to change anytime soon.
Until such times as SQ Cargo is 100% self sufficient as far as Captains are concerned it will always be more efficient to use Mainline Pilots on a lot of the cargo trips as they can operate to some places as passenger flights and pick up a Cargo flight. As you lot do not get paid for positioning SQ will always take the cheaper option. That has always been how SQ have operated and never likely to change anytime soon.
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Anyone that has gone to the meeting cares to share what was said over there?
I'm joining the company on the end of the year and would like to know what they are saying about the present complains.
SF
I'm joining the company on the end of the year and would like to know what they are saying about the present complains.
SF
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Just wondering,wouldn't be more convenient to do a selfsponsored type-rating on the 747,around 20000USD,if i'm not mistaken,then to apply to SQ? Doing this you won't be bonded (am I right? ) and you can leave anytime you wish...
And I think the cost of the type-rating won't be so difficult to repay if you have a decent salary...(around 200USD/month ,or less..depending on bank interest,loan length,..)
Also,you'll be able to program your course,and I think,do it faster than expected at SQ..
What do you think..?
And I think the cost of the type-rating won't be so difficult to repay if you have a decent salary...(around 200USD/month ,or less..depending on bank interest,loan length,..)
Also,you'll be able to program your course,and I think,do it faster than expected at SQ..
What do you think..?
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If you have the money to pay for your own rating that may well be an option but bear in mind that if you accept the bond you get all your money back after 5 years and, apart from the admin fees for the bond and a low interest rate, it actually hasn't cost you anything.
One other thing to bear in mind. There were some high time B747 guys on my course and their training was slightly shorter but they still had to do the tech course (+exam) and sims for the issue of the Singapore ATPL. They also had to write the Air Law exam. The line training was only slightly shorter due to the requirement to do a Europe, Australian, China sector etc and I think they were only released to line about a month earlier than the rest of us.
If the freedom to give a months notice is worth $20k to you then fair enough but for us, the bond is very much the lesser of the 2 evils and Singapore is not a bad place to live at all..
One other thing to bear in mind. There were some high time B747 guys on my course and their training was slightly shorter but they still had to do the tech course (+exam) and sims for the issue of the Singapore ATPL. They also had to write the Air Law exam. The line training was only slightly shorter due to the requirement to do a Europe, Australian, China sector etc and I think they were only released to line about a month earlier than the rest of us.
If the freedom to give a months notice is worth $20k to you then fair enough but for us, the bond is very much the lesser of the 2 evils and Singapore is not a bad place to live at all..
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Outcome Of Meeting
Nothing thats right "zero"
a whole lot of BS and thats about it. end result is that we guys will pax on "CARGO AIRCRAFT" direct to ANC or EUROPE and operate back. They plan on implimenting AOC rules which are more liberal than current CAA/ALPS collective agreement which gice us time out of base allowances in lieu of the flying time.
so guys hang on to your nuts this is going to be a hell of a roller coaster ride.
Rosters were the primary issue and they shall implement a two month block roster for selected crews operating selective COP's.
The bottom line is they (management) do not want to rock the boat for the mainline lads as they will continue their pick of the routes and COP's and we will keep doing all these crazy implementations which is "just a waste of time" and a charade.
travel priviledges too "NO CHANGE", we will only get ID75 so we all shall continue to buy the tickets in downtown for cheaper.
however we had a great buffet and beer and wine after the meeting!!!!!!!!!!
a whole lot of BS and thats about it. end result is that we guys will pax on "CARGO AIRCRAFT" direct to ANC or EUROPE and operate back. They plan on implimenting AOC rules which are more liberal than current CAA/ALPS collective agreement which gice us time out of base allowances in lieu of the flying time.
so guys hang on to your nuts this is going to be a hell of a roller coaster ride.
Rosters were the primary issue and they shall implement a two month block roster for selected crews operating selective COP's.
The bottom line is they (management) do not want to rock the boat for the mainline lads as they will continue their pick of the routes and COP's and we will keep doing all these crazy implementations which is "just a waste of time" and a charade.
travel priviledges too "NO CHANGE", we will only get ID75 so we all shall continue to buy the tickets in downtown for cheaper.
however we had a great buffet and beer and wine after the meeting!!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Cargojock,
Could you elucidate a little bit more?
So now you are going to get paid for traveling as pax on cargo flights? Or no, you continue not being paid, just change from the pax to the cargo flight?
And with the new rules could they tell how long will be the COPs? As I understand the present CAA/ALPS rules state that you can fly for 21 days in a roll.
And what do they mean about "a two month block roster for selected crews operating selective COP's"? Does this mean that they are to implement a bid system?
Nice to hear that at least you guys got some decent food and beverage.
Cheers.
SF
Could you elucidate a little bit more?
So now you are going to get paid for traveling as pax on cargo flights? Or no, you continue not being paid, just change from the pax to the cargo flight?
And with the new rules could they tell how long will be the COPs? As I understand the present CAA/ALPS rules state that you can fly for 21 days in a roll.
And what do they mean about "a two month block roster for selected crews operating selective COP's"? Does this mean that they are to implement a bid system?
Nice to hear that at least you guys got some decent food and beverage.
Cheers.
SF
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One reason I was asking this is cause I've seen many of you guys complaining of the fact that you're tied to SQ by the high bond,otherwise...just read all the above posts...
AAIGUY...about the 10k,any ideea where is it? What training center?
AAIGUY...about the 10k,any ideea where is it? What training center?
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Clarification Of Todays Meeting Sq Cargo
Guys,
A typical COP would be you pax on a cargo aircraft SIN to ANC all the way via HKG.Then you would layover a day in ANC and operate ANC-HKG and deadhead same AC to SIN.
Yes they will pay you for the paxing time but remember the time spent in the aircraft will kill you after some time. whilst you slog a mainline rat will operate SIN-HKG AND take the same return flight HKG-SIN.
the boys that operate HKG-ANC whilst we pax will continue to LAX/DFW or whatever.
The present CAA/ALPAS duty times are more restrictive,hence when they go full time SQ CARGO AOC this will allow you to operate around the globe and be still legal.
as for the two months they want to do a trial of 21 crews for selected patterns and see the increase in productivity,IF successful they may implement it for all crews.what a bunch of BS!!!!!!!!!!!
But thats right a BUT, they will never let the mainline lads loose their plum flights. remember the management boys in charge of cargo must do their sim checks with the mainline lads, so they will maintain that the mainline rats get there pick ........... get my drift.
A typical COP would be you pax on a cargo aircraft SIN to ANC all the way via HKG.Then you would layover a day in ANC and operate ANC-HKG and deadhead same AC to SIN.
Yes they will pay you for the paxing time but remember the time spent in the aircraft will kill you after some time. whilst you slog a mainline rat will operate SIN-HKG AND take the same return flight HKG-SIN.
the boys that operate HKG-ANC whilst we pax will continue to LAX/DFW or whatever.
The present CAA/ALPAS duty times are more restrictive,hence when they go full time SQ CARGO AOC this will allow you to operate around the globe and be still legal.
as for the two months they want to do a trial of 21 crews for selected patterns and see the increase in productivity,IF successful they may implement it for all crews.what a bunch of BS!!!!!!!!!!!
But thats right a BUT, they will never let the mainline lads loose their plum flights. remember the management boys in charge of cargo must do their sim checks with the mainline lads, so they will maintain that the mainline rats get there pick ........... get my drift.
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GREAT WALL AIRLINES Vs SQ CARGO
hi folks,
not even 24 hours had passed after the SQ CARGO meeting with its pilots.
the singaporean newspaper "WEEKEND TODAY" of 19th Aug page 17 states in the corporate brief the following
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"Singapore Airlines said it's cargo venture in China would suspend operations. Great Wall Airlines will halt operations immediately after the US Treasury imposed santions on the chinese carrier's parent China Great Wall Industry Corp.SIA owns 25per cent of Great Wall Airlines." unquote BLOOMBERG
as mentioned earlier lads we all are in for a roller coaster ride.
Hang in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
not even 24 hours had passed after the SQ CARGO meeting with its pilots.
the singaporean newspaper "WEEKEND TODAY" of 19th Aug page 17 states in the corporate brief the following
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"Singapore Airlines said it's cargo venture in China would suspend operations. Great Wall Airlines will halt operations immediately after the US Treasury imposed santions on the chinese carrier's parent China Great Wall Industry Corp.SIA owns 25per cent of Great Wall Airlines." unquote BLOOMBERG
as mentioned earlier lads we all are in for a roller coaster ride.
Hang in there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dear Folk, I was interviewed on August 2005, I'm rated on B744 as F/O, but my position at that time as Commander on B737 CL and had 1900 hrs command time, I'm applied for F/O position in national term, during the interview I was told that is better for me to joint other company Silk Air etc. and if I'm accepted my license will be endorst to Singapore CPL/IR and for command position I must have Singapore ATPL 
, means I have to do/pay and take my own time to study again
now I had 3000 hrs in command on B737 CL, and what are the requirement to joint SinCargo, and what about the license, could I re-apply again since I'm rejected the offer to do the ATPL course once again althought I hold the Singapore CPL. Thank's for info
, means I have to do/pay and take my own time to study again now I had 3000 hrs in command on B737 CL, and what are the requirement to joint SinCargo, and what about the license, could I re-apply again since I'm rejected the offer to do the ATPL course once again althought I hold the Singapore CPL. Thank's for info