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hi SIDSTAR,
PAL (before meant plane always late or plane already left but now means pilots already left) is now privately owed (with a bit of gov't shares).
It is actually making money now but the owner has the habit (& yes he can get away with anything in the Phils) of exploiting cheap labor.
The big boss (majority owner) actually said this to the pilots & some management guys (visibility is the name of the game for these mgt people so that they can get places...brown nosing) in one social gathering.
The gathering which was meant to boost personnel moral actually did the reverse. A slip of the tongue? He meant it actually & that is really his business strategy.
He pays the people at the top a lot of money to kick the asses of those working at the bottom. This is much much cheaper for him.
And yes he pays his lawyers & gov't people good money too...then nobody can win against him.
Too bad...
PAL (before meant plane always late or plane already left but now means pilots already left) is now privately owed (with a bit of gov't shares).
It is actually making money now but the owner has the habit (& yes he can get away with anything in the Phils) of exploiting cheap labor.
The big boss (majority owner) actually said this to the pilots & some management guys (visibility is the name of the game for these mgt people so that they can get places...brown nosing) in one social gathering.
The gathering which was meant to boost personnel moral actually did the reverse. A slip of the tongue? He meant it actually & that is really his business strategy.
He pays the people at the top a lot of money to kick the asses of those working at the bottom. This is much much cheaper for him.
And yes he pays his lawyers & gov't people good money too...then nobody can win against him.
Too bad...
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Spot on, rkpk!
LT is such a cunning, scheming, devilsmart guy who achieves his goals by manipulating his employees.
Remember June 98? He really wanted the pilots to strike:
SO flights will be cancelled
SO he could go on print (full page newspaper- SO THE PUBLIC MAY KNOW) to tell the people that because the pilots went on strike, we have no recourse but to cancel most of our flights
SO the people would blame the pilots
SO he would have the upperhand in public sympathy(which is very crucial in the Philippines) in the case
SO he could cancel all losing flights (mostly the domestic "missionary" routes which only PAL flies to as an agreement with the government to give PAL monopoly. These flights go to places like Basco, Batanes in the far north & Tawi-Tawi in the far south which I believe are no longer serviced now.)
SO he could finally get rid of the airplanes doing all these losing flights like the Fokker 50 which he had been wanting to do ever since. He couldn't accept why PAL is operating these flights at a loss. It was against his keen business sense. Who the f..k cares about service to the people? Business is business!
SO in effect, he won. Who gives a s..t if PAL lose its pilots? We could always get others. They're only people. Besides, they will come back. And at a better deal: no more retirement fund, no disability fund, etc.
SO then it will be a sound business enterprise, trimmed of the fat (losing flights, losing aircraft, retirement fund, disability fund)
NOW all it has to do is make money. But first, it needs a little corporate raiding. Not all of PAL loses money. Maintenance Dept & Catering makes money not like Operations. So what to do? Since LT owns 51% of PR Holdings which owns 51% of PAL, he effectively owns only 26.01% of PAL as a whole. So he divides PAL into 4 parts & sells Maintenance (as one part) & Catering (as another part) to companies which he solely owns 100% (thru his sons). Thereby in effect claiming 100% of all the profits of these money-making departments while still losing a little (on the 26.01% share) on the money-losing departments!
How can this person do that, you may ask? Well, he used to have a tax evasion case worth 26B pesos ($520M) but recently the courts decided that it's the government who owes him billions of pesos. Look at it this way...
There are 15 Supreme Court justices.
I'm being sued for 26B pesos.
What if I offer 1B pesos to 8 of these justices (or to all of them, why not?).
If these 8 agree, which was highly likely (i don't mean to degrade in any way these SC justices but Robert Redford once said, "Everybody has its price."), these 8 will be beholden to me & make me win in my case(s). And I only lose 8B, not 26B so I gain 18B! Yee-hah!
And whadayaknow? LT not only wins the case, but also turns the table on the government because now, the government owes him!
And we are talking here of billions! What do you think the amount involved in the ALPAP strike was? It's a pittance in comparison!
AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE ARE FILIPINO PILOTS OUTSIDE THE PHILIPPINES. BEFORE, NOBODY THOUGHT OF LEAVING BECAUSE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, RETIREMENT FUND AND ALL THAT...BUT NOW...?
LT is such a cunning, scheming, devilsmart guy who achieves his goals by manipulating his employees.
Remember June 98? He really wanted the pilots to strike:
SO flights will be cancelled
SO he could go on print (full page newspaper- SO THE PUBLIC MAY KNOW) to tell the people that because the pilots went on strike, we have no recourse but to cancel most of our flights
SO the people would blame the pilots
SO he would have the upperhand in public sympathy(which is very crucial in the Philippines) in the case
SO he could cancel all losing flights (mostly the domestic "missionary" routes which only PAL flies to as an agreement with the government to give PAL monopoly. These flights go to places like Basco, Batanes in the far north & Tawi-Tawi in the far south which I believe are no longer serviced now.)
SO he could finally get rid of the airplanes doing all these losing flights like the Fokker 50 which he had been wanting to do ever since. He couldn't accept why PAL is operating these flights at a loss. It was against his keen business sense. Who the f..k cares about service to the people? Business is business!
SO in effect, he won. Who gives a s..t if PAL lose its pilots? We could always get others. They're only people. Besides, they will come back. And at a better deal: no more retirement fund, no disability fund, etc.
SO then it will be a sound business enterprise, trimmed of the fat (losing flights, losing aircraft, retirement fund, disability fund)
NOW all it has to do is make money. But first, it needs a little corporate raiding. Not all of PAL loses money. Maintenance Dept & Catering makes money not like Operations. So what to do? Since LT owns 51% of PR Holdings which owns 51% of PAL, he effectively owns only 26.01% of PAL as a whole. So he divides PAL into 4 parts & sells Maintenance (as one part) & Catering (as another part) to companies which he solely owns 100% (thru his sons). Thereby in effect claiming 100% of all the profits of these money-making departments while still losing a little (on the 26.01% share) on the money-losing departments!
How can this person do that, you may ask? Well, he used to have a tax evasion case worth 26B pesos ($520M) but recently the courts decided that it's the government who owes him billions of pesos. Look at it this way...
There are 15 Supreme Court justices.
I'm being sued for 26B pesos.
What if I offer 1B pesos to 8 of these justices (or to all of them, why not?).
If these 8 agree, which was highly likely (i don't mean to degrade in any way these SC justices but Robert Redford once said, "Everybody has its price."), these 8 will be beholden to me & make me win in my case(s). And I only lose 8B, not 26B so I gain 18B! Yee-hah!
And whadayaknow? LT not only wins the case, but also turns the table on the government because now, the government owes him!
And we are talking here of billions! What do you think the amount involved in the ALPAP strike was? It's a pittance in comparison!
AND SO THAT'S WHY THERE ARE FILIPINO PILOTS OUTSIDE THE PHILIPPINES. BEFORE, NOBODY THOUGHT OF LEAVING BECAUSE THEY WERE HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY'RE GETTING, RETIREMENT FUND AND ALL THAT...BUT NOW...?
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It is really a bad state for Filipinos that businessmen of LT's likes are taking over the country's livelihoods.
It is not only the airline.
Look at all those malls sprouting everywhere & killing all those small businesses. And good if they pay their employees justly.
Most of these businesses want contractual employees with no benefits at all. The wealth generated doesn't trickle down at all to the employees.
And these businessmen can get away with anything because they can pay their way around. People in public office in the Phils are too corrupt.
And so the Filipinos are going abroad to seek better wages & better working conditions.
Now is the Phils really meant for the Filipinos or for those foreigners who bought their naturalization papers?
And those those who sold them these papers are being rewarded well...look at the PAL lawyer whose father was the immigration official who arranged LT's papers & that ex-military guy turned customs commisioner who arranged for LT's goods into the Phils tax free...these people are the modern day Benedict Arnolds of our race.
And the big businessmen can always bring their wealths earned in the Phils elsewhere like homeland China...and they earned their money thru the blood, sweat & tears waged by the Pinoy.
So for us Pinoy pilots & whatever trade you are in...off to other countries we go...what a pity.
Those who are left behind (we all have our own valid reasons for leaving or staying) are given the spoils...& are thus classified as mere cheap labor.
It is not only the airline.
Look at all those malls sprouting everywhere & killing all those small businesses. And good if they pay their employees justly.
Most of these businesses want contractual employees with no benefits at all. The wealth generated doesn't trickle down at all to the employees.
And these businessmen can get away with anything because they can pay their way around. People in public office in the Phils are too corrupt.
And so the Filipinos are going abroad to seek better wages & better working conditions.
Now is the Phils really meant for the Filipinos or for those foreigners who bought their naturalization papers?
And those those who sold them these papers are being rewarded well...look at the PAL lawyer whose father was the immigration official who arranged LT's papers & that ex-military guy turned customs commisioner who arranged for LT's goods into the Phils tax free...these people are the modern day Benedict Arnolds of our race.
And the big businessmen can always bring their wealths earned in the Phils elsewhere like homeland China...and they earned their money thru the blood, sweat & tears waged by the Pinoy.
So for us Pinoy pilots & whatever trade you are in...off to other countries we go...what a pity.
Those who are left behind (we all have our own valid reasons for leaving or staying) are given the spoils...& are thus classified as mere cheap labor.
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......been browsing posts around here, very interesting story this whole PR saga, so do you think it's only for money that the other pilots leave the country or something else.....?
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The strike happened not because of money but because of "Security of Tenure". The striking pilots left the Phils because they didn't have jobs and they need to feed their families. Had they not lose their jobs, they would have hung on and stayed with their families.
The PAL pilots of now are not strikers, they're scabs (well, most of them, if not all) and they crossed the picket line not because they can't feed their families but because they want to be ahead of the others. Simple opportunism! They grab the seniority, get their commands, well before the dust gets settled... Though most of them went back to PAL because they were afraid to apply outside the Phils, knowing how weak they are to pass the stringent admission procedures (not to mention medical) of foreign airlines.
Unfortunately, the dust didn't get settled but fortunately for them, they got their jobs & their precious commands. Now, realizing that Pinoy pilots (the strikers) can make it abroad, and armed with command time, these people got to thinking, "Hmmm...if they can do it why not me? Plus i have my command now while these strikers are still struggling on the right seat..."
To answer your question:
OF COURSE THEY WANT TO LEAVE PAL BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. THAT'S ALL THEY COULD THINK ABOUT SINCE JUNE 1998.
The PAL pilots of now are not strikers, they're scabs (well, most of them, if not all) and they crossed the picket line not because they can't feed their families but because they want to be ahead of the others. Simple opportunism! They grab the seniority, get their commands, well before the dust gets settled... Though most of them went back to PAL because they were afraid to apply outside the Phils, knowing how weak they are to pass the stringent admission procedures (not to mention medical) of foreign airlines.
Unfortunately, the dust didn't get settled but fortunately for them, they got their jobs & their precious commands. Now, realizing that Pinoy pilots (the strikers) can make it abroad, and armed with command time, these people got to thinking, "Hmmm...if they can do it why not me? Plus i have my command now while these strikers are still struggling on the right seat..."
To answer your question:
OF COURSE THEY WANT TO LEAVE PAL BECAUSE OF THE MONEY. THAT'S ALL THEY COULD THINK ABOUT SINCE JUNE 1998.
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Thanks for your concern.
I hope you're doing fine as well wherever you may be. But you see, i was just replying to semper fi, as you can see from the title of my post. I'm not here to argue or discuss the merits/demerits of the strike. I just want him to know the real score about Filipino pilots since he sounded like he's not aware of the situation there in the Phils.
The strikers lost a lot because of the scabs: not only seniority, money, retirement, disability fund, jobs, etc but also friends, classmates, brothers & family. And they lost them fighting for principles but have kept their dignity intact as the years went by. No amount of discussion in pprune could ever compensate for this loss. I hope you find it in your good heart to give these guys credit where it is due. I just don't want people like semper fi (and maybe somebody else who doesn't know the situation) to think that all Filipino pilots (incl. the strikers) left and are leaving the Phils just because of money.
The strikers left because there was no other place to go and they have to work to feed their families. Some of them aren't even flying anymore and doing menial jobs somewhere just to make both ends meet.
I hope you're doing fine as well wherever you may be. But you see, i was just replying to semper fi, as you can see from the title of my post. I'm not here to argue or discuss the merits/demerits of the strike. I just want him to know the real score about Filipino pilots since he sounded like he's not aware of the situation there in the Phils.
The strikers lost a lot because of the scabs: not only seniority, money, retirement, disability fund, jobs, etc but also friends, classmates, brothers & family. And they lost them fighting for principles but have kept their dignity intact as the years went by. No amount of discussion in pprune could ever compensate for this loss. I hope you find it in your good heart to give these guys credit where it is due. I just don't want people like semper fi (and maybe somebody else who doesn't know the situation) to think that all Filipino pilots (incl. the strikers) left and are leaving the Phils just because of money.
The strikers left because there was no other place to go and they have to work to feed their families. Some of them aren't even flying anymore and doing menial jobs somewhere just to make both ends meet.
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I say that everyone has his different reason for staying or leaving PAL which everyone should respect.
But again this bully guy LT can get a way with his greed because people agree to his terms.
I say get away from there & show him he cannot get away with everything he wants.
The day will probably come when everybody can come back to PAL when things are different (& that is if you are young enough to see this happen).
Nothing in this world will last forever...& that goes for someone's greedy ways too.
Just a suggestion...
But again this bully guy LT can get a way with his greed because people agree to his terms.
I say get away from there & show him he cannot get away with everything he wants.
The day will probably come when everybody can come back to PAL when things are different (& that is if you are young enough to see this happen).
Nothing in this world will last forever...& that goes for someone's greedy ways too.
Just a suggestion...
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[COLOR="Blue"]And to you repapips,
i hope you are doing fine in the US, issues about this 98 strike had been argued, discussed and i guessed settled on this thread on the first few months of its existence, i beg you not to start it again. Lets forget the past and moved on forward, it will not help us recalling OUR mistakes....where ever we are now, believed me, its GOD's will.[/COLOR]
........Sorry been away too long.....been havin a ball with the schumi and alonso gigs in jet blast. Well, everyone has his own opinion I guess of what is right and wrong.....So I take it repapips didn't bother to return to the motherland? I think C152 sez he's in the us of a? So what percent of the present drivers in PR joined the strike in 1998 anyway? What are the actual numbers here? Not many people were aware of the actual number of pilots who went on strike as to the actual number of pilots who didn't return.
What did management do to the line guys right after the strike? Did everybody who returned to the fold get accepted back? Sorry for the many questions mate.
i hope you are doing fine in the US, issues about this 98 strike had been argued, discussed and i guessed settled on this thread on the first few months of its existence, i beg you not to start it again. Lets forget the past and moved on forward, it will not help us recalling OUR mistakes....where ever we are now, believed me, its GOD's will.[/COLOR]
........Sorry been away too long.....been havin a ball with the schumi and alonso gigs in jet blast. Well, everyone has his own opinion I guess of what is right and wrong.....So I take it repapips didn't bother to return to the motherland? I think C152 sez he's in the us of a? So what percent of the present drivers in PR joined the strike in 1998 anyway? What are the actual numbers here? Not many people were aware of the actual number of pilots who went on strike as to the actual number of pilots who didn't return.
What did management do to the line guys right after the strike? Did everybody who returned to the fold get accepted back? Sorry for the many questions mate.
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Well, well.... Just as I've been saying to c1052, not everyone knows of the situation back in the Phils.
There was a strike vote sometime in May 98 and ALPAP (Airline Pilots Association of the Phils) members (around 600 at the time) voted "YES" overwhelmingly to the strike (around 99%). You can't have a better percentage than that. You can never get 100 % of the voters anytime.
When the strike was finally implemented, all union members went on strike, except for a few, who stayed inside & never joined. It was all hanky-dory the first few days, rally here, rally there until the seventh day...when management felt "enough is enough" and were ready to settle with the pilots...But whadayaknow? 7 Little Dwarves suddenly appear from nowhere & destroyed everything. These very junior 2nd Officers crossed over & offered their services, thinking that this is their best bet to get ahead of their colleagues & jump the seniority. This got Management thinking...."Hmmm...why don't you guys recruit 3 more pilots each so we can sustain our operation?" And so it went like that. These 7 recruited 3 each & those 3 recruited 3 each & so on...NETWORKING in full force! A few weeks later, PAL, having sustained their operations, trimmed of the operating fat (the money-losing routes & aircraft), fired all the remaining strikers which by then were about 500.
The real strikers stayed on & were never coerced or changed their minds about their principle, about what they were fighting for. They hung on in the hope that somehow their plight will be noticed by the government & will try to help them. But unfortunately, the government doesn't care. After the full page ads in the papers shouting "SO THE PUBLIC MAY KNOW....PAL will have to cancel flights because of the ongoing pilots' strike...", nobody symphatized with the strikers anymore, except their families, who were also by that time, beginning to get angrier & angrier with their husbands & fathers for striking because now they don't get paid. But still they hung on. Scabs continued on trickling to the other side while the strikers try to find jobs elsewhere.
Most went to the other airline in the Phils, Cebu Pacific; some to other less-known operators; and the rest applied abroad.
Now these scabs are widebody commanders now, either on the A330, A340 or B744. Their move paid off. And this is one of the times when I think "Crime really does pay!" And these guys, having earned their command time, want to make the most of it by applying abroad as well since PAL's paying peanuts compared to foreign airlines.
As of today, I believe ALPAP has given their blessings to those strikers who want to rejoin PAL, knowing how long they have suffered already without jobs, and which they couldn't help much (especially those Fokker 50 guys who suddenly found themselves unemployable after the strike because only MAS & KLM operate this type & which unfortunately don't accept expat pilots then). Some have rejoined PAL & soon got their commands as well.
Most of those who never went back & got jobs abroad stayed abroad & away from PAL.
I just hope this answers your question, semper fi. Again, I'm not starting an argument or discussion about the strike. I'm just stating facts.
There was a strike vote sometime in May 98 and ALPAP (Airline Pilots Association of the Phils) members (around 600 at the time) voted "YES" overwhelmingly to the strike (around 99%). You can't have a better percentage than that. You can never get 100 % of the voters anytime.
When the strike was finally implemented, all union members went on strike, except for a few, who stayed inside & never joined. It was all hanky-dory the first few days, rally here, rally there until the seventh day...when management felt "enough is enough" and were ready to settle with the pilots...But whadayaknow? 7 Little Dwarves suddenly appear from nowhere & destroyed everything. These very junior 2nd Officers crossed over & offered their services, thinking that this is their best bet to get ahead of their colleagues & jump the seniority. This got Management thinking...."Hmmm...why don't you guys recruit 3 more pilots each so we can sustain our operation?" And so it went like that. These 7 recruited 3 each & those 3 recruited 3 each & so on...NETWORKING in full force! A few weeks later, PAL, having sustained their operations, trimmed of the operating fat (the money-losing routes & aircraft), fired all the remaining strikers which by then were about 500.
The real strikers stayed on & were never coerced or changed their minds about their principle, about what they were fighting for. They hung on in the hope that somehow their plight will be noticed by the government & will try to help them. But unfortunately, the government doesn't care. After the full page ads in the papers shouting "SO THE PUBLIC MAY KNOW....PAL will have to cancel flights because of the ongoing pilots' strike...", nobody symphatized with the strikers anymore, except their families, who were also by that time, beginning to get angrier & angrier with their husbands & fathers for striking because now they don't get paid. But still they hung on. Scabs continued on trickling to the other side while the strikers try to find jobs elsewhere.
Most went to the other airline in the Phils, Cebu Pacific; some to other less-known operators; and the rest applied abroad.
Now these scabs are widebody commanders now, either on the A330, A340 or B744. Their move paid off. And this is one of the times when I think "Crime really does pay!" And these guys, having earned their command time, want to make the most of it by applying abroad as well since PAL's paying peanuts compared to foreign airlines.
As of today, I believe ALPAP has given their blessings to those strikers who want to rejoin PAL, knowing how long they have suffered already without jobs, and which they couldn't help much (especially those Fokker 50 guys who suddenly found themselves unemployable after the strike because only MAS & KLM operate this type & which unfortunately don't accept expat pilots then). Some have rejoined PAL & soon got their commands as well.
Most of those who never went back & got jobs abroad stayed abroad & away from PAL.
I just hope this answers your question, semper fi. Again, I'm not starting an argument or discussion about the strike. I'm just stating facts.
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Hi repapips,
I think you've been away from the country that long that you didn't grasp the whole reality of the thing when the smoke from the chaos cleared.
The strike of 1998 was never going to work. Its just that the system in the Phils never works for this kinds of actions.
Sometimes us pinoy pilots think too american that we thought that we can do as the american pilots' union do.
we were wrong...Soti was wrong.
I am not a fun of this greedy guy LT either.
Nor that this 7 dwendes (you even forgot about snowwhite who was demoted to f/o but is now a capt again) are my friends.
but i just don't agree with your facts.
And in order to move on, you should be able to accept reality...& that is you like me made a big big mistake!!!
Stop blaming your fellow pilots then...you were partly to blame as I am.
Payong kapatid lang
...all the best.
I think you've been away from the country that long that you didn't grasp the whole reality of the thing when the smoke from the chaos cleared.
The strike of 1998 was never going to work. Its just that the system in the Phils never works for this kinds of actions.
Sometimes us pinoy pilots think too american that we thought that we can do as the american pilots' union do.
we were wrong...Soti was wrong.
I am not a fun of this greedy guy LT either.
Nor that this 7 dwendes (you even forgot about snowwhite who was demoted to f/o but is now a capt again) are my friends.
but i just don't agree with your facts.
And in order to move on, you should be able to accept reality...& that is you like me made a big big mistake!!!
Stop blaming your fellow pilots then...you were partly to blame as I am.
Payong kapatid lang
...all the best.
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Which of my facts, pray tell, don't you agree with?
I didn't say anything but the truth. And i have long since accepted reality, that's the reason i am not in the Phils now. I knew early on that the strike was a big mistake.
Which fellow pilots are you saying i am blaming? The 7 dwarves? The scabs?As i've said, i'm only stating facts. If it sounded like i was blaming somebody, well it's either your opinion or you're simply one of them because you are affected.
I mean, i'm not one who judges a person easily especially if i haven't seen him....And, as i said i'm not starting an argument or discussion about the strike....But, from the way you sound, you are indeed one of them...No striker would ever dare disagree with what i said, because IT IS THE TRUTH! The most one can do is add details or maybe revise my story a bit...
But to disagree??? Hmmmm..... You must be on the other side...
If there is something to disagree with, I believe this should be one:
Unless of course you don't find it "funny"...
I didn't say anything but the truth. And i have long since accepted reality, that's the reason i am not in the Phils now. I knew early on that the strike was a big mistake.
Which fellow pilots are you saying i am blaming? The 7 dwarves? The scabs?As i've said, i'm only stating facts. If it sounded like i was blaming somebody, well it's either your opinion or you're simply one of them because you are affected.
I mean, i'm not one who judges a person easily especially if i haven't seen him....And, as i said i'm not starting an argument or discussion about the strike....But, from the way you sound, you are indeed one of them...No striker would ever dare disagree with what i said, because IT IS THE TRUTH! The most one can do is add details or maybe revise my story a bit...
But to disagree??? Hmmmm..... You must be on the other side...
If there is something to disagree with, I believe this should be one:
I am not a fun of this greedy guy LT either.
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Hello again guys, had to work, did i miss something?
Sorry but this is all still strange to me, didn't you guys have a master plan when you went on strike? Like for example, what to do when this happens, etc etc, who did most of thinking for you? I beleive you said you had a vote but didn't that vote encompass a course of action or was it just a balls to the wall kinda thing? I would certainly not want to get into an airport if I didn't have an alternate right? That is very basic. So what was the alternate plan?
Doesn't the legal system there allow for a legal work return order? If so, what happened about it and what was the outcome when it was served?
Still so many angles to this really.........
Sorry but this is all still strange to me, didn't you guys have a master plan when you went on strike? Like for example, what to do when this happens, etc etc, who did most of thinking for you? I beleive you said you had a vote but didn't that vote encompass a course of action or was it just a balls to the wall kinda thing? I would certainly not want to get into an airport if I didn't have an alternate right? That is very basic. So what was the alternate plan?
Doesn't the legal system there allow for a legal work return order? If so, what happened about it and what was the outcome when it was served?
Still so many angles to this really.........
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Good point guys!
I have read the posts in this particular forum, and this will be the first time I will be replying so please do bear with me.
Everyone has made valid points regarding the Strike of 98 (which I am not too familiar with). As part of a union, you are within the realm of a group that looks out for each other's back, for better or worse. It's like a marriage. When everyone goes out on a picketline to fight for what they believe in, whether justifiable or not, you have to fight. Which is what the pilots did, from what I have read. For that I commend the pilots...especially the Junior pilots, who I feel were putting their very young careers on the line.
If what LT did or threatened to do was enough for some pilots (and I am expecting that these are mostly Junior) to go back to PAL, I am almost sure that it is out of fear of their career. However to some this would seem to be the easiest way to surpass their seniors for command and/or higher position...but let us not brand them as such.
You may not forget what has been done, but you surely can forgive. Everyone made mistakes with this Strike...others making more mistakes than others. But let bygones be bygones.
I am sure all of you guys are swell type of guys.
Everyone has made valid points regarding the Strike of 98 (which I am not too familiar with). As part of a union, you are within the realm of a group that looks out for each other's back, for better or worse. It's like a marriage. When everyone goes out on a picketline to fight for what they believe in, whether justifiable or not, you have to fight. Which is what the pilots did, from what I have read. For that I commend the pilots...especially the Junior pilots, who I feel were putting their very young careers on the line.
If what LT did or threatened to do was enough for some pilots (and I am expecting that these are mostly Junior) to go back to PAL, I am almost sure that it is out of fear of their career. However to some this would seem to be the easiest way to surpass their seniors for command and/or higher position...but let us not brand them as such.
You may not forget what has been done, but you surely can forgive. Everyone made mistakes with this Strike...others making more mistakes than others. But let bygones be bygones.
I am sure all of you guys are swell type of guys.
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retirement??!!
Somebody from PAL sent this to me...so what's the real score??!!
My dear Friends,
This is to make known to everyone that, for my
retirement benefits and pay, PAL Management was kind
enough to grant me 1 month for every year of service,
the 25% representing PPRP and PODP and all other
benefits due a retiring pilot.
Another thing. My wife and I are not with another
airline. This should put rumors to rest.
Mabuhay kayong lahat!
Keep 'em flying!
Jimmy Del Carmen
My dear Friends,
This is to make known to everyone that, for my
retirement benefits and pay, PAL Management was kind
enough to grant me 1 month for every year of service,
the 25% representing PPRP and PODP and all other
benefits due a retiring pilot.
Another thing. My wife and I are not with another
airline. This should put rumors to rest.
Mabuhay kayong lahat!
Keep 'em flying!
Jimmy Del Carmen
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Originally Posted by richkidpoorkid
Somebody from PAL sent this to me...so what's the real score??!!
My dear Friends,
This is to make known to everyone that, for my
retirement benefits and pay, PAL Management was kind
enough to grant me 1 month for every year of service,
the 25% representing PPRP and PODP and all other
benefits due a retiring pilot.
Another thing. My wife and I are not with another
airline. This should put rumors to rest.
Mabuhay kayong lahat!
Keep 'em flying!
Jimmy Del Carmen
My dear Friends,
This is to make known to everyone that, for my
retirement benefits and pay, PAL Management was kind
enough to grant me 1 month for every year of service,
the 25% representing PPRP and PODP and all other
benefits due a retiring pilot.
Another thing. My wife and I are not with another
airline. This should put rumors to rest.
Mabuhay kayong lahat!
Keep 'em flying!
Jimmy Del Carmen
Last edited by kontra; 18th Jun 2006 at 09:25.
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LT
Heard through the grapevineTAIPAN Lucio Tan is belatedly going into the mall and retail business himself, using a number of foreclosed Uniwide branches and the Ever-Gotesco branch in Ortigas as starting bases.
More money for this guy
How we wish he finally lets go of the airline