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Originally Posted by kontra
I have heard some of them were tried in a kangaroo court. Charged with awol. They will be charged with "damages that resulted in your awol". Because they will still give you a flight schedule after your 30days notice of resignation (which is the only time required under tha labor law)
But, if you did not sign any papers agreeing to this BS and under this labor law of 30 days you give them notice, then it will be their fault if they write you up for a flight sched after your last day with them.
I know it's not that simple but, if I was in their shoes, I'd look for a job somewhere else and just disappear. Just my two cents worth.
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Originally Posted by DeltaSix
I guess if they make you sign an agreement requiring you to give 6 months notice then you're well and truly stuffed ( no means of maneuvering ).
But, if you did not sign any papers agreeing to this BS and under this labor law of 30 days you give them notice, then it will be their fault if they write you up for a flight sched after your last day with them.
I know it's not that simple but, if I was in their shoes, I'd look for a job somewhere else and just disappear. Just my two cents worth.
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But, if you did not sign any papers agreeing to this BS and under this labor law of 30 days you give them notice, then it will be their fault if they write you up for a flight sched after your last day with them.
I know it's not that simple but, if I was in their shoes, I'd look for a job somewhere else and just disappear. Just my two cents worth.
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Disappearing is what pilots are doing now. File for 30days then disappear
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
They'll surely not feel good knowing some people hoping for their early demise.
Kontra, I was gonna ask how the pilot's maneuver their way into another employer by JUST DISAPPEARING but this thread is probably being watched by management.
I can certainly understand their standpoint and that they are trying to protect PAL's interest and bottomline which is commendable, however there is certainly a Human Rights issue here that needs to be addressed. By trying to prevent them to leave in such a manner, they are just making things worse.
Why can't they just pay them a little bit better if not at par with their overseas counterparts and the exits will certainly stop or at least retain the crews longer without feeling under duress.
QF is offering it's crews better renumeration so they won't lose them to the likes of Emirates and others.
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they think the are above the law. those contracts are not even binding in court coz its onerous. mas matindi gantin ng Diyos sa kanila. tingin ng mngmnt sa line piloto sa PAL tagabalot ng sigarillo.
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Originally Posted by kamikase88
they think the are above the law. those contracts are not even binding in court coz its onerous. mas matindi gantin ng Diyos sa kanila.
Originally Posted by kamikase88
tingin ng mngmnt sa line piloto sa PAL tagabalot ng sigarillo.
Originally Posted by Cessna1052
As a very famous guy from PAL said, "its cheaper to train Pilots" -
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It is cheaper in the long run even if it costs them close to P2M to train one pilot. Just imagine all the benefits, retirement plans, etc that they will save everytime a pilto leaves. Even when the pilot leaves, they still make money by asking them to pay the training bond.
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
D6,
1.5M to 2M in pesos is just peanuts for LT, train you and use you.Fair enough?, yes. This is just the same amount other airlines spend training their own pilots, but this "other" airlines gives you a better pay and benefits. So, why would PAL raise its pilots salaries when they can recruit and spend peanuts on the training? - this was the famous guy's contention.
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1.5M to 2M in pesos is just peanuts for LT, train you and use you.Fair enough?, yes. This is just the same amount other airlines spend training their own pilots, but this "other" airlines gives you a better pay and benefits. So, why would PAL raise its pilots salaries when they can recruit and spend peanuts on the training? - this was the famous guy's contention.
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hello again...
i already made my resume and gave it to my dad, he'll send it to someone and see if i can get a recommendation or what once he comes back. he met up with some PAL pilots when he was here and they told him there's already a batch scheduled to start next month. if ever, i hope to make it on the next batch that would be applying early next year.
my dad doesn't talk about PAL to us in the family at all ever since the time he left for his new employer and his retirement after 18 years in PAL is something like 3 months of my current salary at the call center (he did manage to get the last of his non-priority plane tickets for the family). i showed him this thread and he just shook his head (with a smile) when he saw those three initials you were mentioning.
i already made my resume and gave it to my dad, he'll send it to someone and see if i can get a recommendation or what once he comes back. he met up with some PAL pilots when he was here and they told him there's already a batch scheduled to start next month. if ever, i hope to make it on the next batch that would be applying early next year.
my dad doesn't talk about PAL to us in the family at all ever since the time he left for his new employer and his retirement after 18 years in PAL is something like 3 months of my current salary at the call center (he did manage to get the last of his non-priority plane tickets for the family). i showed him this thread and he just shook his head (with a smile) when he saw those three initials you were mentioning.
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The seven dwarf 
killed the camaraderie in PAL, all of them have their personal interest look at Capt del Carmen he just quit and cannot get his retirement pay. He cannot stand Capt Andrews on how he ran the Flight Operations. They also killed the Dodo tradition which for me the blood line between all of us DODO, connect us classmates and upperclassmen which came from totally different world and upbringing become brothers. However, now the up coming ab initio class we call the Montessori class are crying for letting them wake up early and asking for pity for Ten push up and pumps are all bunch of Shabby people. Why we also pay our training but we are Man enough to take all the bull****s and it made us better persons more than anything else. 
So all in favor of the tradition Pls Stand Up!!!! 
LONG LIVE THE DODO TARDITION 
killed the camaraderie in PAL, all of them have their personal interest look at Capt del Carmen he just quit and cannot get his retirement pay. He cannot stand Capt Andrews on how he ran the Flight Operations. They also killed the Dodo tradition which for me the blood line between all of us DODO, connect us classmates and upperclassmen which came from totally different world and upbringing become brothers. However, now the up coming ab initio class we call the Montessori class are crying for letting them wake up early and asking for pity for Ten push up and pumps are all bunch of Shabby people. Why we also pay our training but we are Man enough to take all the bull****s and it made us better persons more than anything else. So all in favor of the tradition Pls Stand Up!!!! LONG LIVE THE DODO TARDITION
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what's a dwarf ?
Mates, gday agayn, wot's a dwarf? How does a dead dodo fall into the equation of your happiness there in the Far East? Been in the bush lately pullin' weeds.
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Originally Posted by semper fi
Mates, gday agayn, wot's a dwarf? How does a dead dodo fall into the equation of your happiness there in the Far East? Been in the bush lately pullin' weeds.
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Originally Posted by kontra
I have heard some of them were tried in a kangaroo court. Charged with awol. They will be charged with "damages that resulted in your awol". Because they will still give you a flight schedule after your 30days notice of resignation (which is the only time required under tha labor law)
Do you think things will be better after JH & JA retires? Or will they retire? Their positions are non-flying positions. So that means they can hold on to their posts parang tuko. After them it will be LL....what do you think of him?
Do you think things will be better after JH & JA retires? Or will they retire? Their positions are non-flying positions. So that means they can hold on to their posts parang tuko. After them it will be LL....what do you think of him?
knows) LL will not in any slightest chance get to any higher position as off today, this ''CP''has been shooting him down from day one after june 8,1998 and he just gained feathers on his cap as far as LT is concerned,for what reason ???,we don't know....aassh sa gate1 as ,they say in pampanga....
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Originally Posted by semper fi
tp, when you say CP, that means chief pilot? is that how i get it?
Indians smoke a peace pipe, what does this CP smoke?
Indians smoke a peace pipe, what does this CP smoke?
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
Burnett,
I am definitely not one among those dwarfs you mentioned, but isnt it time to park this issue once and for all? Its been many years now, and we all knew that somehow all those who went into that dumb strike were all at fault. WE WERE ALL STUPID TO LISTEN TO THOSE DUMB LEADERS AND PUT OURSELVES IN FRONT OF THE LINE FOR SOME PEOPLES FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
And i"ve noticed, old school ka pa rin. I would say that you're still probably sticking yourself in PAL, otherwise you could have discovered already that outside PAL this thing that you said Camaraderie or brotherhood(yabang lang ito, because you want yourself to be treated as a Senior). Di na uso sa labas ang Sir, if I were you I will resign from where you are so that you will know personally what is the kind of Pleasantries you will get from the other Airlines. From where I am, position gradients doesn't exist(if you know the meaning of this), no assholing, and no imposition of Seniorities, But their is still camaraderie that exist.
And one more thing, CAPT DEL CARMEN stated on his letter through the PALpilots group that he indeed received his RETIREMENT from PAL.(Nasaan ka noon?) Happy flying to you.!
PS. enlighten us about this DODO brotherhood you're saying, aside from calling each other Brothers?(Sharing ng putok?, easy passing on the checkrides?,protections?, knowing somebody if that somebody turns out to be an ADMIN someday? tell us please....)
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I am definitely not one among those dwarfs you mentioned, but isnt it time to park this issue once and for all? Its been many years now, and we all knew that somehow all those who went into that dumb strike were all at fault. WE WERE ALL STUPID TO LISTEN TO THOSE DUMB LEADERS AND PUT OURSELVES IN FRONT OF THE LINE FOR SOME PEOPLES FIGHT!!!!!!!!!
And i"ve noticed, old school ka pa rin. I would say that you're still probably sticking yourself in PAL, otherwise you could have discovered already that outside PAL this thing that you said Camaraderie or brotherhood(yabang lang ito, because you want yourself to be treated as a Senior). Di na uso sa labas ang Sir, if I were you I will resign from where you are so that you will know personally what is the kind of Pleasantries you will get from the other Airlines. From where I am, position gradients doesn't exist(if you know the meaning of this), no assholing, and no imposition of Seniorities, But their is still camaraderie that exist.
And one more thing, CAPT DEL CARMEN stated on his letter through the PALpilots group that he indeed received his RETIREMENT from PAL.(Nasaan ka noon?) Happy flying to you.!
PS. enlighten us about this DODO brotherhood you're saying, aside from calling each other Brothers?(Sharing ng putok?, easy passing on the checkrides?,protections?, knowing somebody if that somebody turns out to be an ADMIN someday? tell us please....)
C1052
Amen to that, Cess1052. It happened 8 years ago and should be laid to rest. Peoples lives were screwed but such is life, as they say..We all must move on, as I and a lot have..It was great to have flown for our beloved Pal but other doors opened fortunately. Let bygones be bygones, learn from this experience and lets all move on.. Besides Mr Burnett,,those dwarves that you mentioned are not in management,,None of them are,,Some have left for other airlines while some remain.. Please get your story straight..No offense to anyone of course...
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Originally Posted by Cessna1052
Hi Tp,
Is this CP with the initials B.G.? aka "Butch G."
Is this CP with the initials B.G.? aka "Butch G."
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Hi guys,
Long-time viewer, first-time poster.
The DODO tradition definitely had its advantages. Trainees and newbies were more than likely to come to a flight fully prepared in terms of route knowledge, radio frequencies, flight-deck SOPs and over-all attitude. This was probably due to the extensive "networking" available and provided by the upper-class to lower -class system.
But it is a brand new world.
Today, as one instructor duly noted, most Second Officers from AvSchool coming in training expect that they would be taught everything and are, consequently, left behind in the "loop of things" during a flight. The rationale is that having paid for their tuition, they have a right to expect to be taught everything. But their learning curve would be much less steeper had a more pervasive network of "info-dissemination" been at hand.
As you see, "putoks" are not completely useless.
This is not to imply that newer products are less capable, only more handicapped in the training process. However, it is still up to the individual trainee on how his training and career will eventually pan out.
Again, other airlines have dispatched this similar system and have come up with safe and proficient flight deck crew.
If this system is beneficial to PAL in the long-term, only time will tell.
Safe flying everyone
Long-time viewer, first-time poster.
The DODO tradition definitely had its advantages. Trainees and newbies were more than likely to come to a flight fully prepared in terms of route knowledge, radio frequencies, flight-deck SOPs and over-all attitude. This was probably due to the extensive "networking" available and provided by the upper-class to lower -class system.
But it is a brand new world.
Today, as one instructor duly noted, most Second Officers from AvSchool coming in training expect that they would be taught everything and are, consequently, left behind in the "loop of things" during a flight. The rationale is that having paid for their tuition, they have a right to expect to be taught everything. But their learning curve would be much less steeper had a more pervasive network of "info-dissemination" been at hand.
As you see, "putoks" are not completely useless.
This is not to imply that newer products are less capable, only more handicapped in the training process. However, it is still up to the individual trainee on how his training and career will eventually pan out.
Again, other airlines have dispatched this similar system and have come up with safe and proficient flight deck crew.
If this system is beneficial to PAL in the long-term, only time will tell.
Safe flying everyone
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A Dodo Is A Flightless Bird...
Originally Posted by crash&burn
Hi guys,
Long-time viewer, first-time poster.
The DODO tradition definitely had its advantages. Trainees and newbies were more than likely to come to a flight fully prepared in terms of route knowledge, radio frequencies, flight-deck SOPs and over-all attitude. This was probably due to the extensive "networking" available and provided by the upper-class to lower -class system.
But it is a brand new world.
Today, as one instructor duly noted, most Second Officers from AvSchool coming in training expect that they would be taught everything and are, consequently, left behind in the "loop of things" during a flight. The rationale is that having paid for their tuition, they have a right to expect to be taught everything. But their learning curve would be much less steeper had a more pervasive network of "info-dissemination" been at hand.
As you see, "putoks" are not completely useless.
This is not to imply that newer products are less capable, only more handicapped in the training process. However, it is still up to the individual trainee on how his training and career will eventually pan out.
Again, other airlines have dispatched this similar system and have come up with safe and proficient flight deck crew.
If this system is beneficial to PAL in the long-term, only time will tell.
Safe flying everyone
Long-time viewer, first-time poster.
The DODO tradition definitely had its advantages. Trainees and newbies were more than likely to come to a flight fully prepared in terms of route knowledge, radio frequencies, flight-deck SOPs and over-all attitude. This was probably due to the extensive "networking" available and provided by the upper-class to lower -class system.
But it is a brand new world.
Today, as one instructor duly noted, most Second Officers from AvSchool coming in training expect that they would be taught everything and are, consequently, left behind in the "loop of things" during a flight. The rationale is that having paid for their tuition, they have a right to expect to be taught everything. But their learning curve would be much less steeper had a more pervasive network of "info-dissemination" been at hand.
As you see, "putoks" are not completely useless.
This is not to imply that newer products are less capable, only more handicapped in the training process. However, it is still up to the individual trainee on how his training and career will eventually pan out.
Again, other airlines have dispatched this similar system and have come up with safe and proficient flight deck crew.
If this system is beneficial to PAL in the long-term, only time will tell.
Safe flying everyone
The very first class that didn't undergo this "dodo" training in PAL Av School produced the first accident/incident in a very long time. That was when a Tomahawk clipped some power cables somewhere in Plaridel, Bulacan sometime in the very early 90's.
It's not just about the knowledge and its dissemination....it's a lot more about DISCIPLINE!
It's like this: Once you're there in the Av School "dodo" class, you hate all your upperclassmen because of what you & your classmates were being made to do or suffer...And you just can't wait to get out...
But the minute you're out, you can't help but thank these same upperclassmen for bringing you up to speed. And as you relive these experiences in your memories, you can't help but smile... What an unforgettable experience!
And this is what the others who say negative things about this "dodo" training don't have. So ex-"dodo" guys, just let them be...because they don't know what they missed. And you non-"dodo" guys, please stop demoralizing the ex-"dodo" guys...you don't know what you're talking about.