China Airlines/China Airlines F/O, (update)-Merged Twice!.
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When I was looking for an appartment, here the figures I finded
In TPE, between 25.000 - 35.000 NT$ for an house on western standard, add 10.000 if you want to be in Tienmou area (near the international schools), remove 10.000 NT$, if you leave outside TPE (near CKS for ie).
But of course, it all depends on what you find acceptable and what size you want like in every other city in the world.
In TPE, between 25.000 - 35.000 NT$ for an house on western standard, add 10.000 if you want to be in Tienmou area (near the international schools), remove 10.000 NT$, if you leave outside TPE (near CKS for ie).
But of course, it all depends on what you find acceptable and what size you want like in every other city in the world.
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Phone interview
I had a pre interview telephone call yesterday from China Airlines. It progressed quite positively but there was no feedback at the end of the call.
Do they tell you straight away if you are eligible for the real interview/sim/medical stage? Or do i have to wait 3-4 weeks?
Billa
Do they tell you straight away if you are eligible for the real interview/sim/medical stage? Or do i have to wait 3-4 weeks?
Billa
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CAL won't release an actual contract or 'training agreement' until you agree to take the position. Hmmm.
Do they tell you straight away if you are eligible for the real interview/sim/medical stage? Or do i have to wait 3-4 weeks?
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When I was looking for an appartment, here the figures I finded
In TPE, between 25.000 - 35.000 NT$ for an house on western standard, add 10.000 if you want to be in Tienmou area (near the international schools),
Bare in mind that the definition of unfurnished is completely different than what you would expect in the States or most other places. Unfurnished means no air-conditioning units, no appliances, nothing. Just bare walls and floors.
If you are willin to live to a Chinese standard then you could get a two or three bedroom place in a convenient area of the city for between NT 35,000 to NT 45,000 per month. It might take some looking, but they can be found.
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Billa,
I also had a pre interview telephone conversation on the very same day!
I also know that one of the work referees were contacted to say nice things about me.
I wonder what is next?
Beyond.
I also had a pre interview telephone conversation on the very same day!
I also know that one of the work referees were contacted to say nice things about me.
I wonder what is next?
Beyond.
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China Airlines
It appears China Airlines is doing some hirng. In fact they'll be at a job fair in LAX. I'm an American pilot with about 5000 hours currently a captain for a leading US regional airline.
What can you tell me about China Airlines? I'm looking to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Many thanks!
What can you tell me about China Airlines? I'm looking to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly.
Many thanks!
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If you do a simple search on CAL, you will find a thread about 9 pages long.
Here you go........:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=103478
Here you go........:
http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hreadid=103478
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NF,
The local line pilots are generally nice people. Wish the same could be said of some instructor pilots and check pilots. Other than being in the sim, the rest is the good part.
Management is the bad part. Cannot be trusted. "Temporary" market allowance adjustments after 9/11 and SARs still not reinstated or increased. No respect for contracts. Making rules and policies at their own fancy.
They are continually taking things away from you. Now we have to commute on home leave days ( 2 soft days either side gone). And on your OFF days in TPE, they put you on reserve duty (RD). Moving into cheaper and cheaper hotels.
Long haul flts that depart at night used to have 4 man, now 3. Still legal, but this is a cost cutting move. Not recommended for an airline that needs to improve safety. Most 3 man crew, 1 capt, 1 relief pilot and 1 FO.
CAL wont be doing some hiring, they'll be doing lotsa hiring. Some locals are leaving even. 1 to H Kong and another to Abu Dhabi, giving confidence for others to make the move. Some expats are comtemplating Great Wall Airlines in Shanghai, Emirates, Etihad and Korean. All recruiting end of 2005.
It's unwarranted hardship and you get played out a lot.
The local line pilots are generally nice people. Wish the same could be said of some instructor pilots and check pilots. Other than being in the sim, the rest is the good part.
Management is the bad part. Cannot be trusted. "Temporary" market allowance adjustments after 9/11 and SARs still not reinstated or increased. No respect for contracts. Making rules and policies at their own fancy.
They are continually taking things away from you. Now we have to commute on home leave days ( 2 soft days either side gone). And on your OFF days in TPE, they put you on reserve duty (RD). Moving into cheaper and cheaper hotels.
Long haul flts that depart at night used to have 4 man, now 3. Still legal, but this is a cost cutting move. Not recommended for an airline that needs to improve safety. Most 3 man crew, 1 capt, 1 relief pilot and 1 FO.
CAL wont be doing some hiring, they'll be doing lotsa hiring. Some locals are leaving even. 1 to H Kong and another to Abu Dhabi, giving confidence for others to make the move. Some expats are comtemplating Great Wall Airlines in Shanghai, Emirates, Etihad and Korean. All recruiting end of 2005.
It's unwarranted hardship and you get played out a lot.
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If you go back through the threads on CAL and EVA over the years you will find a few people, like myself, who warn guys away from going to Taiwan as an F.O. Life is just too short to put up with the kind of treatment the F.O.s in Taiwan receive.
As for the contract terms being eroded, that is the case with almost all Asian airlines. In my three years there the package went down by $1000 per month every year. Your contract is the best it will ever be on the day you sign it. If you can live with that and live with a 20 to 30% decrease over the life of the contract then go for it. Don't expect an upgrade and don't say you weren't warned.
If you need the experience to make a another step in your career than it could be worth it, but be careful.
Typhoonpilot
As for the contract terms being eroded, that is the case with almost all Asian airlines. In my three years there the package went down by $1000 per month every year. Your contract is the best it will ever be on the day you sign it. If you can live with that and live with a 20 to 30% decrease over the life of the contract then go for it. Don't expect an upgrade and don't say you weren't warned.
If you need the experience to make a another step in your career than it could be worth it, but be careful.
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After 5 phone calls to the recruitment guy in Taiwan I'm convinced by typhoonpilot and undecided username about the work condition over there. The guy was not very pleasant on the phone at all, I was just trying to change my flight date going to my interview and he was like "NO" its already booked just deal with it.
I'll go to the interview for the experience and for a free trip to TPE.
I'll go to the interview for the experience and for a free trip to TPE.
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Shintaro9 and Typhoon Pilot,
I really appreciate your feedback about CAL. It really bothers me how a company can say you will get so much pay and so many days off, and then say during the contract you get less.
Especially when new people sign up they get the same story again of how good the conditions are. How can they do this, can't a pilot walk away saying that they aren't abiding by their terms? Isn't their signature on the contract too?
How about the ELO in places like YVR, is that just another carrot dangling in front of you too?
Medwin...
Go for it! I see the pattern there with your story, Mine is they tell me I'm starting 2 months from now, so I make plans to go, then they send me another email that I start in a month, I said thats now too early because I've already made plans for the orininal date, they said oh well, if you you don't come early your offer for employment is revoked! Oh what to do...
I really appreciate your feedback about CAL. It really bothers me how a company can say you will get so much pay and so many days off, and then say during the contract you get less.
Especially when new people sign up they get the same story again of how good the conditions are. How can they do this, can't a pilot walk away saying that they aren't abiding by their terms? Isn't their signature on the contract too?
How about the ELO in places like YVR, is that just another carrot dangling in front of you too?
Medwin...
Go for it! I see the pattern there with your story, Mine is they tell me I'm starting 2 months from now, so I make plans to go, then they send me another email that I start in a month, I said thats now too early because I've already made plans for the orininal date, they said oh well, if you you don't come early your offer for employment is revoked! Oh what to do...
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The ELO is not written in stone.You get it,if and when there is an empty space for it.
And bear in mind,that even taiwanese pilots are doing the ELO for YVR,LAX and MIA and they get the preference ahead of you(and of course in any other issues),so if there is no local applicants ,than come the expats.I know a guy who was refused from the ELO when other locals got it.
some info for the tax authority of Canada or USA would be usefull.....
And bear in mind,that even taiwanese pilots are doing the ELO for YVR,LAX and MIA and they get the preference ahead of you(and of course in any other issues),so if there is no local applicants ,than come the expats.I know a guy who was refused from the ELO when other locals got it.
some info for the tax authority of Canada or USA would be usefull.....
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noflow
posted 27th August 2005 03:22
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I'm an American pilot with about 5000 hours currently a captain for a leading US regional airline.
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Wow,with 5000 hours and already a Captain in the States?Lucky you!All these while I thought aviation career progress in advanced countries are slow because the airlines there are already saturated.
Can't get the skipper's seat with 5000 hours here,not any more...
posted 27th August 2005 03:22
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I'm an American pilot with about 5000 hours currently a captain for a leading US regional airline.
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Wow,with 5000 hours and already a Captain in the States?Lucky you!All these while I thought aviation career progress in advanced countries are slow because the airlines there are already saturated.
Can't get the skipper's seat with 5000 hours here,not any more...
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CAT IIIB- It's fairly easy to upgrade to captain at a "regional" airline in the US with as little as 2500 hours at some of the rapidly expanding companies. This is not really a good thing since the regionals are rapidly expanding and getting bigger and bigger equipment at relatively low pay while the major airlines are mostly getting smaller with flying replaced with 50, 70, and some 90 seat jets from the "regional" partners. This leads to less jobs on bigger, better paying equipment and many pilots likely being trapped at the regionals for their entire career.
Noflow- were you offered the interview without having a type rating in any of the equipment flown by China Airlines? I applied about a year and a half ago and was informed that a type rating in any of their fleet types was required for the interview. If they dropped this requirement I may reapply since my fiance is Taiwanese and would prefer to live there. I guess I'm willling to take a chance on poor conditions. I would suggest at least taking the free trip and checking out the area for your own enjoyment even if you don't really plan on accepting an offer. There are many interesting and beautiful places in Taiwan to see if you can swing a little extra time there.
Noflow- were you offered the interview without having a type rating in any of the equipment flown by China Airlines? I applied about a year and a half ago and was informed that a type rating in any of their fleet types was required for the interview. If they dropped this requirement I may reapply since my fiance is Taiwanese and would prefer to live there. I guess I'm willling to take a chance on poor conditions. I would suggest at least taking the free trip and checking out the area for your own enjoyment even if you don't really plan on accepting an offer. There are many interesting and beautiful places in Taiwan to see if you can swing a little extra time there.
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Not all regional, I've been with my company for over 6 years now and I'm still an FO.
JTF,
Noflow is just asking about CAL, I don't think he was offered an interview with CAL, they didn't dropped the requirement about type rating yet, I just talked to them last week.
Is it worth it to buy one? Now that's another topic.
JTF,
Noflow is just asking about CAL, I don't think he was offered an interview with CAL, they didn't dropped the requirement about type rating yet, I just talked to them last week.
Is it worth it to buy one? Now that's another topic.
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After reading what's been said here I think it's time for me to make a comment. I am a close friend of typhoonpilot and we worked in the same company. I am a Taiwanese/American, what's I say here is a FACTS......
Having spend 6.5 years with CAL as a B744FO/RCA and with a command knocking around the corner, I have decided that it was time to move on. The managements at CAL does not respect any of their staffs, even locals. It's a very "FINED" airline, you will be fined for any violations, any FOQA exceedance-even for doing 250 kts below 10000 fts at the request of ATC, 1 PPC every 3 months, in addition to annual line checks, there is tons of other checks..even get sack for sim support!!
Don't believe what the managements told you as they will not honor what's been promised. Only go to China Airlines if you have no other alternatives. AVOID CAL AT ALL COST. Especially to that 5 year regional captain to stay where you are!!! I was about to leave CAL for a FO job with Netjets.. so this should tell you a lot..
Having spend 6.5 years with CAL as a B744FO/RCA and with a command knocking around the corner, I have decided that it was time to move on. The managements at CAL does not respect any of their staffs, even locals. It's a very "FINED" airline, you will be fined for any violations, any FOQA exceedance-even for doing 250 kts below 10000 fts at the request of ATC, 1 PPC every 3 months, in addition to annual line checks, there is tons of other checks..even get sack for sim support!!
Don't believe what the managements told you as they will not honor what's been promised. Only go to China Airlines if you have no other alternatives. AVOID CAL AT ALL COST. Especially to that 5 year regional captain to stay where you are!!! I was about to leave CAL for a FO job with Netjets.. so this should tell you a lot..