China Airlines/China Airlines F/O, (update)-Merged Twice!.
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I joined CAL in May of last year....I came with 1700 on the 744 and (6500TT) and was promised a cruise command after one year only to have the policy changed to two years. They also promised me Captain after three years......I have resigned and the list of guys leaving is stacked higher than the bull**** these guys will tell you to come to CAL......Bottom line is if you have a job that is paying you a reasonable amount of money, then stay the hell away from here..... The whole company is miserable.........everyone is tired and job satisfaction is none existent..... I hate to say this but I am predicting an accident at CAL in the next two years..........due to fatigue and lack of training. The bottom line is the whole culture is out of whack.......they upgrade local guys over expats when most of the locals have not even had 300 landings.........Jesus I did three hundred landings my first year out of university in the bush. If it was not for airbus and Boeing redundancy these guys would be smoking holes in the ground left right and centre......they had a guy drop it on in the states (HARD LANDING) last month twice and not write it in the log book and he is still a captain.......
5 year Captain.........don't be in a rush to fly the 744 it is a joke of an airplane to fly and you will not get more than one or two sectors a month.....its just not worth it.
5 year Captain.........don't be in a rush to fly the 744 it is a joke of an airplane to fly and you will not get more than one or two sectors a month.....its just not worth it.
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If you look at my intial posts I was very keen on CAL. It SEEMED to offer everything.
As I got further into the process I realized it was all lies. They will do anything they can to get you to sign the bond and join. Then they will change it all. You will have no recourse.
As I got further into the process I realized it was all lies. They will do anything they can to get you to sign the bond and join. Then they will change it all. You will have no recourse.
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If it was not for airbus and Boeing redundancy these guys would be smoking holes in the ground left right and centre
Do give these guys a chance, they are still recovering from their spade of crashes and the ANC snowbank shaving incident.
They are doing the best they can at the moment.
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I know pitotman would not fly or want an aircraft "without ANY redundancy" Thats not what he is saying.....he is saying that the "redundancy" is the only thing saveing this company from another crash.
"Do give these guys a chance, they are still recovering from their spade of crashes and the ANC snowbank shaving incident."
Why? So they can do it again?
"They are doing the best they can at the moment."
No they are not.....they best they can would put the most experince pilots they have in the Left seats and they don't do that.....they put local pilots in that seat regardless if they are capable or not.
I know pitotman would not fly or want an aircraft "without ANY redundancy" Thats not what he is saying.....he is saying that the "redundancy" is the only thing saveing this company from another crash.
"Do give these guys a chance, they are still recovering from their spade of crashes and the ANC snowbank shaving incident."
Why? So they can do it again?
"They are doing the best they can at the moment."
No they are not.....they best they can would put the most experince pilots they have in the Left seats and they don't do that.....they put local pilots in that seat regardless if they are capable or not.
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China-information?,
Whilst you are correct about seniority being the major factor in being given an opportunity for upgrade training (as it should be), holding up the rest of the seniority list until someone can pass
"Even a horrible airmen can pass a command upgrade on the 3 or 4 try."
is not saying much for the standard of captain that cal wish to have commanding their aircraft nor is it fair on the people lower on the list being held up by incompetent pilots.
Whilst you are correct about seniority being the major factor in being given an opportunity for upgrade training (as it should be), holding up the rest of the seniority list until someone can pass
"Even a horrible airmen can pass a command upgrade on the 3 or 4 try."
is not saying much for the standard of captain that cal wish to have commanding their aircraft nor is it fair on the people lower on the list being held up by incompetent pilots.
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I would be gratefull if somebody could show me a valid seniority list at CAL.
Yeah normally it would go on this way but i guess mentionig this seniority here is only to justify their policies only,although i never saw this list.
The policy is clear,upgrade only locals,the 2 expat upgrade within 4 years,is anybody in doubt?
Yeah normally it would go on this way but i guess mentionig this seniority here is only to justify their policies only,although i never saw this list.
The policy is clear,upgrade only locals,the 2 expat upgrade within 4 years,is anybody in doubt?
super sheep, stand back and take a breath - this is par for the course in a localisation program.
Don't ,however, even consider that it is the safe course of action. And I'll write this bit because I need another full stop. Da Spleen.
Don't ,however, even consider that it is the safe course of action. And I'll write this bit because I need another full stop. Da Spleen.
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In this case it could be declared through the interview,that localization is going on this company,so NO UPGRADE for expats.
Instead of this they just lie to your eyes about 2 years,5 years when they introduce themselfs.but as we know,this is a 2 way street................
Instead of this they just lie to your eyes about 2 years,5 years when they introduce themselfs.but as we know,this is a 2 way street................
CAL EXPAT F/O WITH FAMILY IN TPE
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hi, i work for cal, and to tell you the truth, i,m very pleased with the company, they have given me all whats on my contract, i fly like 75 hrs a month and get like 14 days off including 8 days off in a row, sometimes get 16 days off in a row (back to back or annual leave with home leave), 97% of pilots i have flown with are proffesionals and very friendly people, company works just fine and it is improving a lot, living in taipei with family is ok, gets a little tight if you have kids, because of school prices, are too high, like 800usd a month per kid, but other than that it is just fine, i'm an fo and 3 of my expat friends just got promoted to captain, so they do upgrades, that what i've seen
see ya
see ya
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Pre-interview phone call
Can anyone tell me what is said and asked on this pre-interview phone call? I have one this week and it would be nice to know what is asked?
thanx
thanx
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can't help you guys about the pre-screening phone call as we didn't have one. just an invitation to the interview.
macm,
sounds like you are one of the few enjoying working at CAL. are you on the 744? are you glad you chose to move there instead of commuting?
IFR pilot,
wondering if you've made a decision about going over? check your pm's.
thanks to all the others for sharing your thoughts about the company! it has definitely shed some light on the treatment of expats over there.
cheers
tailets
macm,
sounds like you are one of the few enjoying working at CAL. are you on the 744? are you glad you chose to move there instead of commuting?
IFR pilot,
wondering if you've made a decision about going over? check your pm's.
thanks to all the others for sharing your thoughts about the company! it has definitely shed some light on the treatment of expats over there.
cheers
tailets
Hi guys,
I sent an email to the address listed on the CAL website about a month ago. Within a week my referee had received a call and I was essentialy screened through him.
About a week later I received a call from Taipei during which I was asked the usual questions;
What are your strengths/weaknesses.
Why CAL
How did you hear about CAL.
What do you know about CAL
What aircraft have you flown and who for.
Why do you want to work in SE Asia.
And similar questions.
I've received another email since then asking me to outline my flight hours in little bit more detail.
The gentleman who I've been corresponding with and talked to on the phone has been nothing but profesional. I've read all the posts on here and I'm not sure I'd go but I want to find out for myself how the land lies at CAL.
I'll post more if I get any further.
I sent an email to the address listed on the CAL website about a month ago. Within a week my referee had received a call and I was essentialy screened through him.
About a week later I received a call from Taipei during which I was asked the usual questions;
What are your strengths/weaknesses.
Why CAL
How did you hear about CAL.
What do you know about CAL
What aircraft have you flown and who for.
Why do you want to work in SE Asia.
And similar questions.
I've received another email since then asking me to outline my flight hours in little bit more detail.
The gentleman who I've been corresponding with and talked to on the phone has been nothing but profesional. I've read all the posts on here and I'm not sure I'd go but I want to find out for myself how the land lies at CAL.
I'll post more if I get any further.
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MACM,
Expats F/Os being promoted to Captains? If it does happen, do they maintain an expat's Terms or do they revert to a local's terms?
I thought these sort of promotions never or hardly happens in CAL?
Expats F/Os being promoted to Captains? If it does happen, do they maintain an expat's Terms or do they revert to a local's terms?
I thought these sort of promotions never or hardly happens in CAL?
Well,
I just got am "Introductory Brief" outlining the terms and conditions. All the normal stuff, although no outline of pay.
I don't think it's right to post it here but if anyone that's interested in CAL wants to see it, then PM me.
Kenny.
I just got am "Introductory Brief" outlining the terms and conditions. All the normal stuff, although no outline of pay.
I don't think it's right to post it here but if anyone that's interested in CAL wants to see it, then PM me.
Kenny.
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Kenny,
Thats strange.
I also received an Introductory brief today. Mine had all Salary details including allowances & Benefits.
By the look of it they have 36 Interview slots starting 18th October to the end of November.
Beyond.
Thats strange.
I also received an Introductory brief today. Mine had all Salary details including allowances & Benefits.
By the look of it they have 36 Interview slots starting 18th October to the end of November.
Beyond.
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Telephone pre-interview
Bus-tie,
My telephone interview had all the stuff Kenny stated PLUS:
What's your religion?
How much did your flight training cost you and how did you pay for it?
How long did your flight training last?
Does the CRJ have an FMS?
What am I most proud of?
Why do I want to leave my company?
Interviewer was very pleasant, but at times I had to strain to understand what he was asking.
My telephone interview had all the stuff Kenny stated PLUS:
What's your religion?
How much did your flight training cost you and how did you pay for it?
How long did your flight training last?
Does the CRJ have an FMS?
What am I most proud of?
Why do I want to leave my company?
Interviewer was very pleasant, but at times I had to strain to understand what he was asking.