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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 25th Aug 2011, 05:12
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hey there CX-A330

have a read of this thread, its a good thread (although its a bit old).

http://www.pprune.org/fragrant-harbo...thay-like.html

and just tell the HR people during your stage 1 or email them regarding your current situation, IF you get invited to stage 2. good luck!


you hit the nail on the head WhatThe? good post
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 05:20
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Licences are meaningless. Experience is the variable that cadet programs are overlooking. Will a cadet get experience? YES
So at what point does a pilot cease to be a cadet with minimal skills, and become a professional with years of experience to bring with them to work?
Will a cadet become a professional? Yes.. so will they then be paid as well as the guy next to them? NO
A cadet under this program will never leave that stigma behind. You will always be considered a cadet.

I have gained five thousand hours of flight time in some of the most nasty conditions Canada can dish out, so do I bring to the table more than you do as a cadet? Yes.
When someone with a depth of knowledge gets hired they are not bringing an empty flight-bag with them, and should be paid accordingly.

Cathay used to respect this when they were hiring, it really meant something to be a CX pilot. Now a pulse and a licence, and don't forget a huge training bond are the important things.

Example:

A doctor fresh out of Medical school is a Doctor. Yes. Would you want him to do open heart surgery? Nope! But with years of experience and in-house training he will be very capable as a autonomous doctor. So the question is should he have to start out at the bottom pay scale if he moves to a new hospital? No.
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 07:35
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Thanks for taking the time to reply.

I hear what you are saying, and agree to a certain extent. The idea that "licenses are meaningless" and "you will always be considered a cadet", I do not though.

After 5 years and 3,000 hours in an RPT operation, am I less experienced than a pilot that has been in the company 6 months, with 2,000 hours, and been awarded a command?
Clearly I am still in the right seat, so I am not ready for "open heart surgery" alone, but I do not bring an empty flight bag to work.

I have respect for the Captain's decisions, and I do things exactly the way they want (even though most of them have their own way of doing things).
The only time I will open my mouth is when I fear for my (our) safety. Why? My past experiences have left me with some beneficial insight into the particular situation, and I feel that I have something to offer.

I do not hide from the fact that I'm a cadet. I try and learn something every day, regardless of who or what the experience comes from.

Unfortunately, there are (plentiful) people that do decide to try and tell a Captain how to do their job. It is not fair that the rest of us are judged for their insolence.
Please don't lose sight of the fact that they should be judged as individuals, not as the rest of us. Unfortunately it comes with the industry.

Do you deserve more money than me at entry level?
YES. A cadet's contract will take care of that.
Do I deserve to be paid more than you because I've been at the company longer than you? (years down the track, rank for rank)
YES. Why must I stay on worse conditions for my whole career, for the way I chose to get a start?

Not all cadets are looking for a job on a silver platter, with a seniority number that makes them bigger and better than you. People make choices that they feel are best, hopefully for the long term.

Before you fire back, this 'deal' is not the right one. I hope it is true that it has improved recently, and that it continues to do so. I hope to see you at the interview with me when it does.

Whether you sign up as a cadet or not, we are all in the same boat eventually. I do not support or condone the way the industry is going, and there should always be an avenue for "experience".
Hopefully more people see this deal (and others) for what it is. Unfortunately there will be many that ignore the real facts.


P.S. sorry for the thread drift. I tried to make a new thread about this and the moderators said "nay". At least I can handle being treated as Just a Cadet
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 19:19
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Hello All.
I applied in CX for second officer program on 2nd may 2011. I have 272hr of flying exp. and I have FAA/DGCA CPL SE ME IR (Current). Current with both class 1 medicals. I chose my interview location as Hong Kong. After completing my application when I submitted I got following email.

Your application will be considered along with all other eligible applicants in your geographic area when we next select for interviews.

Thank you for your interest in the Cadet Pilot Programme.
Now its been more then 3 months I havent recived anything from CX.
When shall I expect to get a call. I know Cathay dont conduct any stage 1 interview in India but SIA does. So I choose Hong Kong as my Interview location.
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 01:39
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Obviously you did not do ANY background reading before posting such an ignorant question. Don't worry, you are at the standard required. At least a sheep can be herded: precisely what CX want from this CPP I suppose.

Whether you sign up as a cadet or not, we are all in the same boat eventually.
No. Some detracted from the industry standards & others did not. We are not nor will ever be in the same boat. I pity those who are on the same flight deck together though.

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Old 28th Aug 2011, 10:16
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On what scale did you join the company, China? I agree with your first paragraph, but the answer to my question had better be 'A'.
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 12:04
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The answer to your question has also been answered many, many, many times before.

I didn't. I refused.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 04:25
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chill pill

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The answer to your question has also been answered many, many, many times before.

I didn't. I refused.
Dude. Chill out. Your not really adding anything to the forum by call people down.

Thank you for your interest in the Cadet Pilot Programme.
Now its been more then 3 months I havent recived anything from CX.
When shall I expect to get a call. I know Cathay dont conduct any stage 1 interview in India but SIA does. So I choose Hong Kong as my Interview location.
Just keep your profile up to date by loggin in and adding any extra hours every six months or so. They can't interview everyone who has applied all at once.

Good luck
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 05:58
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As opposed to wannabes posting the same mindless & ignorant questions that have been answered countless times before??

People want the answers that only suit their preconceived ideals, not facts or truths from those with international airline experience, living in HK or CX knowledge & experience.

CX now has cockpits whereby the 3 or 4 members of the operating crew can each have a different contract & CoS.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 11:27
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Living in Hong Kong

Hi everyone,

I have read the entire thread of this forum and I can find alot of information but not the right answers to my questions.

After doing research, it looks like the cost of rent is around HK$20,000 per month for about 1100sq.ft in Discovery Bay.

I'm not adverse to living elsewhere where there are no expats, but to begin, I think this would seem the most sensible option.

The reason I mention Discovery Bay is because I have heard that is where most of the expats live. How true is this?

Where do the other expats generally live? I have heard that some live on HK Island. Which districts in particular?

I have been to Honk Kong several times before and know the haggling culture. I have heard, but not sure if it is true, that you haggle on rent prices??? I would have thought these would have been fixed as property and real estate is so expensive. Some feedback would be appreciated.

Looking at rental prices, the cost of buying an apartment and the blogs of people saying that we cadets will be 'stuck' in Hong Kong for up to 10 years before getting a base, would it not make financial sense to purchase???

Any positive feedback is appreciated. If you want to moan about the current contract the fine, but we have all heard it before and e will all take it into consideration.

Thanks
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 13:14
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hi

I applied to CX in june and put Hk as first location, but stil didnt get a reply, and Cx A330 also applied on the same days (july) i guess and apparently he has got a interview in HK , so i wish him all the best , can anyone tell why i waz not still called even we applied on closer days, can any body advice me on this . Does that mean that i am put out
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 17:40
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"I have been to Honk Kong several times before and know the haggling culture. I have heard, but not sure if it is true, that you haggle on rent prices??? I would have thought these would have been fixed as property and real estate is so expensive. Some feedback would be appreciated.

Looking at rental prices, the cost of buying an apartment and the blogs of people saying that we cadets will be 'stuck' in Hong Kong for up to 10 years before getting a base, would it not make financial sense to purchase???"

What I have learned in life and through thousands of deals and transactions I have done in sales is that everything in life is negotiable, no matter where you go. It never hurts to ask if they will take something lower than advertised. Start out with a reasonable offer (don't insult unless if that is your intent) and see where it goes. What is the worst they can say, "no"? Then you go on your way. Just make sure you know your pros and cons before engaging in your negotiations.

I have only been to HK once but my understanding is that HK has one of the top five most expensive real estate market in the world. Don't be surprised if that small apartment you are talking about for $20,000 HKD a month is for sale for equivalent of over $1,000,000 USD a year. But on the brighter side, I have been reading more economics journals lately stating the HK market is beginning to contract so you may find some "good" bargains.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 18:16
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Talking My chances

Hi all

I currently hold a recreational pilots permit and have logged just over 100 hours. I have a desire to fly for a career and Cathay's program seems to fit what I'm looking for. I'm happily employed right now, in an exciting field that pays me 85K+ with bonuses and good benefits but I've always dreamed of becoming an Airline Pilot. I hold a university Degree as well a number of other military and civilian qualifications. A job as an airline pilot is something I'm willing to take a pay cut for. My questions are
  • What are my chances of getting selected for the program with my minimal experince in flying?
  • Are they currently hiring and expanding?
  • What would help to give me an edge besides holding a commercial license?
  • Has anyone on this forum been to the interview? If so, how much experience did you have before getting an inteview
If someone would help me answer these questions, I'd greatly appreciate it. I need to know if I'm wasting my time or not.
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 18:17
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What are your qualifications??
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Old 29th Aug 2011, 18:23
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I wish. What are your qualifications?
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 09:50
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Stage 1, HK.

Greetings to all,

Anyone have an interview mid Sep. for Stg 1 interview in HK? PM please!!

Thanks
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 13:14
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"A bunch of CX recruitment staff just choked on their Oat Squares..."

Brilliant!
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 15:44
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In terms of the entry prerequisites regarding the completion of senior Maths & Physics, on the CX site is outlines that completion of ATPL subjects is equivalent to a Bachelors degree or the Maths/Physics subjects, but in the application stage does not give you the option of selecting ATPL's?

Also, can anyone shed any light on wether or not CX accept university bridging courses (Australia) for Maths and/or Physics?

Thanks in advance
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Old 30th Aug 2011, 18:34
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thomas87, when did you apply for the interview? and how long did it take for the stage 1 interview call?
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Old 31st Aug 2011, 16:19
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So why can't you get another job?

You HAVE to weigh everything up. Are you at an advantage career wise over guys in Aus that are on Metros or with Instructor ratings?

There is a professional courtesy that exists in every company, whether it be a 206, or Metro.

Just remember you do actually owe something to your profession. CX is great for a DESO in the SO factory but always remember - otherwise you are undercutting (yours and my) industry.
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