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Cathay Pacific Cadet Pilot Programme

Old 5th Aug 2011, 09:21
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A tristar.
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Old 5th Aug 2011, 15:40
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Ok my englishes is not the good but i am the passion about these cadet program offered by cathay ok i am worked hard to improves my weekness that is what cathay is looking for!! and i know there is the stages 5 because my good friends hamzah says there it is stages 5 which is involves the "advanced psycometric test" ok so get your facts right before laying to us!!
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Old 5th Aug 2011, 17:50
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They really do require a standard of English higher than what you seem it have. In fact, it's a licensing requirement to speak GOOD English.

Unless your spoken English language ability is better than what you seem to be able to write, here's what your priorities may (should) be:

1. Learn to speak English. It's a difficult language. You may need help. It's not the sort of language that is easily learned from reading.
2. Apply to the program if it's what you want to do.

If you apply without the language skills required, you most certainly will be rejected. Guaranteed not to get past initial screening. Fail.

Online translation programs like babelfish and google translate are ok for single words, but fail badly when it's complicated. Are you using online translation? Perhaps if you posted questions in your native language there may be guys in CX who can help you.

The way you are posting now may seem sincere to you but to many it's comical (funny) and so no one will take you seriously. They think it's a joke.

Good luck.
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Old 5th Aug 2011, 21:18
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Well said underpants. Does anybody happen to have a .pdf copy of the Ravens Progressive Matrices, if it even exists? Or a hard copy they are willing to sell?

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Old 6th Aug 2011, 11:25
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thanks for the advices Cpt.Underpants i am speaked the good english (i hope!) but to write the engilish it is hard but i am worked hard to improve and i will make it to the cathay i am not use the translations but it may help now ha ha ha.

using translations:

wie lange dauert es, um wettbewerbsfähig zu sein in verbindung anderen airlines?

how long does it take to be competitive in other connecting airlines?

from the cathay cadet to other airlines i am meaning to say

DANKE (thanks you)
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Old 6th Aug 2011, 11:59
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Old 6th Aug 2011, 23:39
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Great, I think I know what you're trying to ask...

As a S/O (second officer) - after you join CX, you can plan on at least 4 years as a S/O.

It can be as much as 5 years, but expect at least 4 years.

The hours you "fly" as a second officer "count" for almost nothing for a higher licence. The ratio of actual hours flown to hours counting is 1:4. Assume you "fly" 650 hours each year for 4 years, all you will count to a higher licence is 650 hours.

OK, assume you convert to Junior First Officer after 4 years, but the time your conversion is finished, you will have about 300 hours as JFO, 650 hours as S/O and 240 hours from your cadet program, total 1190 hours.

You need about 2500 hours to be competitive for other airlines, that would mean an additional 1300 hours as a F/O, about another 2 years.

Your total time in CX would be about 6 years, the same time as the bond ends.

I hope this answers your question.

Good luck and well done!
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 04:41
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hi

Does that mean that after you join Cx you have to wait for 4 years as a S/O, that is too long i guess in comparison to my national carrier ,
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 05:02
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That's correct. 4 to 5 years (some are saying up to 6 years) from the time you finish your training in ADL.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 06:28
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so do they pay a salary for the S/O during that time and that 6 years do you hav to stay in adelaid or after you get your CPL and the type reating do they make you fly in the cockpit
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 06:45
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Thanks for the update, Goebbels.
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 11:52
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so in our national carrier you can becoe a captain in 8 years total , so if you have to wait as a s/o for 6 years then how long wil it take to be a captain, and how much do they pay you as a s/o
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 12:11
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Originally Posted by hihi
Thanks for the update, Goebbels.
He could be correct.

There IS going to be dramatic market reaction to the Moody's AAA downgrade. My guess is the HSI will lose >2500 points in the next week or so, >10000 points in the medium term.

When markets fall, bankerwankers stop traveling. Our (CX) front end is mostly financial sector, and a hit there will certainly scale back growth.

There may be some "rightsizing" on the horizon.

Whatever happens next (I'm no guru), we haven't seen the worst of the "crisis".

"This isn't the end. This isn't even the beginning of the end. However, this is the end of the beginning..."
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 16:36
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Hi all...

Thanks for capt underpants for sharing good info regarding your last posting and it makes me to think more optimist for me to join CX and i am ready with those kind on of period as S/O.

Last 2 weeks ago, i just apply the cadet program and hope they can take to consideration us who applied the program.

thanks
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 18:57
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In the past Cathay offered 2 month Temp. basing's for SO, is that still available?
Or should a SO commute to Europe when he wants to fly back home?
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Old 7th Aug 2011, 21:25
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CXs' basings program is in complete disarray. Lack of company oversight and fiduciary responsibility has caused a multitude of legal violations which Cathay is reluctant to accept liability for.

In short, ALL new bases are suspended until further notice. This applies to temp bases as well.

Commuting should not even be on your options list. Here's why:

Cost. CX has the worlds' most expensive staff travel. Your salary will simply not allow you the discretionary spending that commuting demands.

Staff travel policies. It will take you up to a year to even qualify for some levels of staff travel. When you DO qualify, you're bottom of the list. When I say bottom, I mean EVERY spouse, child and dependent of everyone above your "date of joining" will be ahead of you. Your seniority might reflect 3,000 on the pilots list but in reality you'll be more like 50,000. Fact, not hyperbole.

Fatigue. Do not think for a minute that CX is not intent on extracting it's "pound of flesh". You will be tired. Thinking of sleeping on your way back? Forget about it. Economy class (that's what you'll be flying) is shockingly uncomfortable, with torturous seats and no legroom. You'll be on the middle seat too. Next to a mainland lady with marginal incontinence and body odor. And a complete lack of social awareness - shouting excited conversation to her family three rows back.

Jumpseats. Limited availability and snapped up like hotcakes. Most captains (myself included) hold off on jumpseat allocation until operating crew members have first option for companions, followed by known colleagues. Again, bottom of the list.

In short, you're in HKG for a while. If you can't get your head around that, reconsider.

Out.

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Old 7th Aug 2011, 21:56
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I second Underpants. Also:

Tax. After the 49ers debacle, tax authorities around the world had their attention drawn to based CX crew (another reason basings are suspended through, as I've said previously, amateurish and under resourced base administration).

Word is, the Australian Taxation Office is coming after commuters. The tax, immigration etc. computers now all talk to each other, you can run but you can't hide.
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 00:30
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not sure if this is true but regarding your post about hour transfer for licensing i remember reading from a link posted in one of the previous replies that yes S/O hours are considered at a fraction of the rate but also to a maximum # and anything above that number is useless for licensing -> this could be because of sim?

It true that you will spend quite a bit of time within the company before you can even consider transferring to another carrier, and another consideration would be that on average from what i have read in this thread it takes about a year to get through the whole selection process and that is if you happen to get through in one go...so total 9 maybe more years. But not going through the program and going G/A also takes time - probably not as much though and there is also the plus of getting to touch a plane

again its up to the applicant to decide whats best for himself and im posting this neutrally amid the thread argument
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Old 8th Aug 2011, 00:52
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Originally Posted by spitfire92
again its up to the applicant to decide whats best for himself and im posting this neutrally amid the thread argument
Couldn't agree more.

However there is a naiveté about "real" life in Hong Kong and the Terms & Conditions of this new "D" scale.

Be under no illusion that this package is indentured labour at a less-than-livable wage FOR HONG KONG.

The recruiters are glossing over the unpleasant aspects, and there are some (many?) on this board that CHOOSE to ignore the sage advice being given here.

"None so blind as those that will not see..."
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Next to a mainland lady with marginal incontinence and body odor. And a complete lack of social awareness - shouting excited conversation to her family three rows back.
You forgot the mothballs and black teeth **** breath.... A LETHAL combination....!!!!
 

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