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http://www.parliament.uk/documents/c...29-11-2018.pdf. see questions 98-105 Deal or no-deal it would appear the UK is not committing to being a member of EASA by the 29th March because TM wants further negotiations regardless. The EU has previously stated all professional qualifications will be invalid after this date. Then again the other day the EU leaders agreed the proposed deal in principal didn't they? So they will agree to discuss after 29th March or not? Better get your applications ready to covert boys & girls because even if this proposal is voted in it still doesn't commit us to staying in EASA. I'm losing the will to live. |
Hopefully, being held hostage like this this will make other nations think more closely about giving up their sovereignty.
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Having spoken to a lot of varied Europeans over the last few months it's clear that BREXIT has done for the idea of leaving the EU what Troy did for accepting gifts from Greeks...................
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Hopefully, being held hostage like this this will make other nations think more closely about giving up their sovereignty. Just like the FTL rules at EASA that we got thanks to the UK CAA their campaign :rolleyes: Just in case you missed it PuraVida: the British politicians knew about the rules of Article 50 from day one as their civil servants wrote it! From DAY 1 it was clear that there were 6 scenario's... AND that there was no negotiations as such except on details. So go back to your politicians and ask them to stop lying to you and the press to do a better job in explaining a very clear SOP for leaving the EU. Pick one of the six scenarios and bugger off! |
de facto
Could someone please advise the fee for licence verification asked by the uk caa before transfering to another easa ? (Irish in my case). - £45 for Licence Verification ( Form SRG 1160) - £77 for transfer of your Medical Data Fees on the Irish side: - €600 for issue of an ATPL (do not know how much to issue a CPL, if that's your case) PM if you want, or need, more info on the subject |
Good Afternoon,
I am trying to make sense of all the paperwork for a SOLI change to Ireland. Please can anyone confirm that I didnt miss anything out? heres what i think you have to do:- ____________________________________ SRG 1202 - transfer of medical records. first part completed by pilot then sent to CAA for full completion with separate payment form SRG 1201. SRG 2150 - application to release information to IAA for the SOLI change. attachments -
The RPPL-F-100E which is sent direct to the IAA with
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SFIM
The important part, the thing that is going to set things in motion, is to send the " RPPL-F-100E" to the IAA. By all means the forms that you need to be sent to the UK CAA are also important. However the UK CAA will not do anything until they receive a formal request from the IAA to provide information about the licence, and medical data, of the applicant that is applying to change SOLI. de facto About your question regarding the "licence copy must be certified", if your licence is "as issued by the CAA", in other words, if since it was issued by the CAA there were no handwritten entries made on the licence by a TRE, in case of an LPC, then the copy of the licence needs NOT to be certified. Search the UK CAA website for "How to get copies of your documents certified". At the end of the page it mentions what I wrote on this paragraph. If you however did any LPC's since your licence was issued, and this were endorsed on your licence by the TRE, then I'm afraid that you will have to certify the copy of your licence. There is an explanation on the CAA website on how to get this done. |
I dont understand why the UK CAA always has the need to recieve a virified copy of a license for the smallest things. They are they only CAA I know who require someone else to sign that they have seen the original...wtf...
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For those like me, who got now an European license, what about the medical ?
we will not be longer valid with a UK medical after 29march, we need to have a EASA medical whatever the country, but does mean traveling abroad just for medical ... ???? |
Originally Posted by Flocks
(Post 10327589)
For those like me, who got now an European license, what about the medical ?
we will not be longer valid with a UK medical after 29march, we need to have a EASA medical whatever the country, but does mean traveling abroad just for medical ... ???? The advice i have seen so far was to get a medical in EASAland (non-UK) before March 29th next year. Just to be on the safe side. Now, there might be AMEs in the UK that have been approved by other NAAs as well and can do it without travelling abroad, but i have no clue there are. I just know that my AME in germany is approved by the CAA, the FAA and of course the LBA (and i believe they try to get their AMC transferred to switzerland as germany is just bonkers). |
In EASA land all of your records - for your licence and for your medical certificate - have to be held by the same country.
Where the medical examinations and skill tests take place is up to the authorised examiners (medical and flying respectively). I believe there can be difficulties with transferring away from Germany (and maybe Austria) to another State because their national law puts restrictions on transferring medical information out of the country. |
Originally Posted by W Smith
(Post 10327652)
In EASA land all of your records - for your licence and for your medical certificate - have to be held by the same country.
Where the medical examinations and skill tests take place is up to the authorised examiners (medical and flying respectively). I believe there can be difficulties with transferring away from Germany (and maybe Austria) to another State because their national law puts restrictions on transferring medical information out of the country. |
The important part, the thing that is going to set things in motion, is to send the " RPPL-F-100E" to the IAA. |
Obviously like many here I having been following this thread with great interest. Many of those posting on here know far more about the topic than I do. However, I had the good fortune to talk directly to the Flight Ops director of a major UK airline a few weeks ago, who assured me that even in the event of a hard Brexit, on March 29th they can keep operating. they base that belief on the assurances that the CAA will continue to recognise all UK licences and approvals issued under the umbrella of EASA as still being valid to operate G ref aircraft, and that ICAO third and fourt freedom rights will still exist between the UK and individual European nations which are still ICAO members regardless of EASA. Im sure they have taken a huge amount of alegal advice before deciding this to be the case, so whilst I can see easy jet and Ryan air having a problem, what is the issue for UK based operators of UK registered aircraft operating out and back flights to Europe with no intermediate sectors? |
However, I had the good fortune to talk directly to the Flight Ops director of a major UK airline a few weeks ago, who assured me that even in the event of a hard Brexit, on March 29th they can keep operating. |
Originally Posted by Global_Global
(Post 10326139)
Held hostage? Well we ended up with these BREXIT rules thanks to.... a Brit.. Lord Kerr, who is the British author of Article 50 :p
Just like the FTL rules at EASA that we got thanks to the UK CAA their campaign :rolleyes: Just in case you missed it PuraVida: the British politicians knew about the rules of Article 50 from day one as their civil servants wrote it! From DAY 1 it was clear that there were 6 scenario's... AND that there was no negotiations as such except on details. So go back to your politicians and ask them to stop lying to you and the press to do a better job in explaining a very clear SOP for leaving the EU. Pick one of the six scenarios and bugger off! Kerr was part of the team involved in that drafting that part of the Lisbon Treaty, but not the final drafter. You are correct however about the utter lack of knowledge of the procedures and meanings of Article 50. |
Originally Posted by wiggy
(Post 10328391)
Um....I wonder...sounds a familiar claim.... I know one such airline who employ a significant number of non resident EU national Flight/cabin crew. Out of interest did your contact mention the consequences of the end of FOM to his many of his staff’s ability to legitimately to cross the Border into the U.K. on the way to work on the A.M. of 30th March, or does he simply expect them to “wing it”?? As it stands today their status as roughly speaking “frontier workers” has, AFAIK (and open to correction), yet to be clarified so it’s possible the ICAO Freedoms for airframes might be the least of his or problems... Anyway, disregarding CRM for a moment, this is a pilot's forum. Your is post is the first I've seen on this thread addressing cabin crew issues. And if a small number of non-UK European nationals lose the right to work in UK airlines they can presumably do a job swap with the UK nationals who may no longer have the right to work in Europe. What is the point of having an EASA licence to fly a non UK reg aircraft if you no longer have the right to live and work in Europe, or are you going to renounce your British Citizenship? I sincerely hope that anyone who works in the airline industry and voted to leave has now realised that it may have been like Turkeys voting for Christmas, and would vote remain if we get another referendum. |
Ok apologies, sounded like an airline close to home personally but obviously not the one I was thinking of. if a small number of non-UK European nationals lose the right to work in UK airlines they can presumably do a job swap with the UK nationals who may no longer have the right to work in Europe. Hopefully it won’t come to that. |
Originally Posted by excrab
(Post 10328748)
I sincerely hope that anyone who works in the airline industry and voted to leave has now realised that it may have been like Turkeys voting for Christmas, and would vote remain if we get another referendum.
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2 ways of looking at it. Is the chaos caued by Brexit or having been part of the European Project. Looking at the whole of Europe the European Union has caused far more chaos than Brexit ever will. I for one could do without EASA, another protectionist racket driven by politics not safety.
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Originally Posted by Major Cleve Saville
(Post 10329100)
the European Union has caused far more chaos than Brexit ever will. .
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Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
(Post 10329145)
Well tell this to the staff of Easy Jet and Ryanair currently based in the continent..
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Originally Posted by de facto
(Post 10327478)
Thanks, By the way,the irish caa is amazingly fast in replying and straight to the point rather than those semi generic crap answers we get for the uk after 3 weeks....maybe its for the best then.. |
Well tell this to the staff of Easy Jet and Ryanair currently based in the continent.. |
I have gone UK JAA and EASA.. I must be a 'legend'. But if you are from hat era you must remember the queues at the border on the roads and the mess at passport control ? Also both Easy and RYR have brought down fares and possibilities all over Europe compared to that era. Nostalgic of the past ? You might get that in the UK shortly if it ends up with a hard Brexit with no deal. |
Maybe you are lucky i sent mail to them week ago with no response, and that was just to confirm my mail got in. Telephone not working... Anhow I have also pulled the trigger and my papers as well should be in Dublin tomorrow, hope I didn’t leave it too late. |
Transatlantic flights after Brexit
In case you missed it, on 30 November, the Department for Transport (DfT) announced that
Millions of passengers will be able to enjoy the same access to transatlantic routes once the UK leaves the EU. ..... the UK has reached a new air services arrangement with Canada which will see flights continue between the 2 nations post Brexit. The deal ensures that planes flying from the UK will continue to enjoy the same access they currently have with Canada, helping the UK maintain its place as Europe’s most important aviation hub. It follows a similar announcement two days earlier about an ‘open skies’ air services arrangement with the USA and nine other countries. https://www.gov.uk/government/news/u...s-arrangements Presumably that will all depend on there being enough crew with the appropriate licenses to fly these routes, and enough aeroplanes with appropriate certification. airsound |
"helping the UK maintain its place as Europe’s most important aviation hub."
They mean Transatlantic dead end? If you can't fly on to Europe it isn't much of a European hub is it?? |
could someone help me out on what steps I should take
I have a class 1 medical from the UK. Havent actually started any flying lessons yet but will be starting my PPL in poland after january. How would i go about changing my medical to a polish medical ? Would I just have to re do an initial first class medical in poland? |
I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected. |
It seems that the possibility of flights being grounded on 30 March is being taken more seriously. Sunday Times Deputy Political Editor, Caroline Wheeler, has a piece today headlined
…don’t go on holiday after March 29. Families will be advised not to book holidays after next March, according to contingency plans being drawn up to prepare for a no-deal Brexit. The proposed guidance, which will shock the travel industry, was expected to be discussed at last week’s cancelled cabinet meeting, after civil servants were told to ramp up emergency planning. Senior officials have explored the idea with at least one cabinet minister and discussed the impact that the advice could have on specific tour operators amid fears it might bankrupt them. A leak inquiry was under way in No 10 last night to establish how the proposal became public. The European Regions Airline Association, which represents 50 airlines, wrote to the European Commission this month warning that it must act urgently to prevent the grounding of flights. It said a no-deal Brexit could have “disastrous consequences”, affecting routes, aviation safety and border security. The Ryanair boss, Michael O’Leary, said in September that a hard Brexit could lead to flights being grounded and that its likelihood was underestimated. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...h-29-jnfmrgsj9 but I suspect it may be behind a paywall. airsound |
Interesting to see the Govt's first reaction is to set up a leak enquiry.
Personally I'm more worried about the complete failure of the UK Govt to sort out our licences and approvals in good time. It's now pretty much too late to do anything about it so it's squeaky bum time for a bit |
I posted about this exact issue at #527
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10322386 With TM possibly taking this to the wire (the wire legally being 21st Jan) the impact on those airlines/tour operators currently circling the drain may be terminal. And this is a matter of the public perception regarding risk to their pockets and their holiday plans. Government disclaimers will have little impact (for most us, the square root of not a lot). What was it Bojo said about business? |
Originally Posted by robin
(Post 10336881)
Interesting to see the Govt's first reaction is to set up a leak enquiry.
Personally I'm more worried about the complete failure of the UK Govt. (And I know, in reality not funny at all now for all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons) |
Originally Posted by nightfright
(Post 10336628)
I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected. |
Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time. Then, since you don’t have a valid licence yet, contact your new CAA (the aeromedical section of the Polish CAA in this case). Follow their instructions and you’ll get your new EASA medical. It’s not a hard process but can be very slow. |
Originally Posted by BONES_
(Post 10337775)
Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time. Then, since you don’t have a valid licence yet, contact your new CAA (the aeromedical section of the Polish CAA in this case). Follow their instructions and you’ll get your new EASA medical. It’s not a hard process but can be very slow. |
asmith474
Like BONES said get in touch with the Polish CAA. They are the best entity to advise you on the subject ... (assuming that the ATO that you will attend to do the PPL is a Polish ATO). Also check with the ATO (the flight school) that you will attend to do the PPL after January to see what advise they can provide on the subject. Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time. "Transfer of Medical Records to the UK Aeromedical Section (AMS)" I recently transfered from the UK to Ireland, and did not use SRG 1202. You have however to use SRG 1201. This is to pay (£77) to the UK CAA, so that they will transfer your Medical Data to the Polish CAA. Originally Posted by nightfright https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected. |
I would love to know how many applications the IAA have been recieving, they must be crazy busy. about 1/2 of my colleagues (all the UK licence holders) have applied this week! |
Originally Posted by SFIM
(Post 10338226)
I would love to know how many applications the IAA have been recieving, they must be crazy busy. about 1/2 of my colleagues (all the UK licence holders) have applied this week! |
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