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EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

Old 15th Dec 2018, 14:56
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could someone help me out on what steps I should take

I have a class 1 medical from the UK. Havent actually started any flying lessons yet but will be starting my PPL in poland after january. How would i go about changing my medical to a polish medical ? Would I just have to re do an initial first class medical in poland?
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Old 15th Dec 2018, 23:11
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I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected.
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 11:14
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It seems that the possibility of flights being grounded on 30 March is being taken more seriously. Sunday Times Deputy Political Editor, Caroline Wheeler, has a piece today headlined
Ödonít go on holiday after March 29.
It includes this:
Families will be advised not to book holidays after next March, according to contingency plans being drawn up to prepare for a no-deal Brexit.
The proposed guidance, which will shock the travel industry, was expected to be discussed at last weekís cancelled cabinet meeting, after civil servants were told to ramp up emergency planning.
Senior officials have explored the idea with at least one cabinet minister and discussed the impact that the advice could have on specific tour operators amid fears it might bankrupt them. A leak inquiry was under way in No 10 last night to establish how the proposal became public.
and
The European Regions Airline Association, which represents 50 airlines, wrote to the European Commission this month warning that it must act urgently to prevent the grounding of flights. It said a no-deal Brexit could have ďdisastrous consequencesĒ, affecting routes, aviation safety and border security. The Ryanair boss, Michael OíLeary, said in September that a hard Brexit could lead to flights being grounded and that its likelihood was underestimated.
The piece is at
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...h-29-jnfmrgsj9
but I suspect it may be behind a paywall.

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Old 16th Dec 2018, 11:27
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Interesting to see the Govt's first reaction is to set up a leak enquiry.

Personally I'm more worried about the complete failure of the UK Govt to sort out our licences and approvals in good time. It's now pretty much too late to do anything about it so it's squeaky bum time for a bit
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Old 16th Dec 2018, 11:46
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I posted about this exact issue at #527

EC notice on BREXIT issued, licenses/certificates invalid

With TM possibly taking this to the wire (the wire legally being 21st Jan) the impact on those airlines/tour operators currently circling the drain may be terminal. And this is a matter of the public perception regarding risk to their pockets and their holiday plans. Government disclaimers will have little impact (for most us, the square root of not a lot).

What was it Bojo said about business?
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 02:55
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Originally Posted by robin View Post
Interesting to see the Govt's first reaction is to set up a leak enquiry.

Personally I'm more worried about the complete failure of the UK Govt.
Fixed it for you....

(And I know, in reality not funny at all now for all sorts of people for all sorts of reasons)


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Old 17th Dec 2018, 16:29
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Originally Posted by nightfright View Post
I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected.
How do i transfer my medical to another easa state. From the CAA website there is only a transfer option from an EASA state to them. Im trying to do the opposite and change to polish medical license
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 16:53
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Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time.

Then, since you donít have a valid licence yet, contact your new CAA (the aeromedical section of the Polish CAA in this case). Follow their instructions and youíll get your new EASA medical.

Itís not a hard process but can be very slow.
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 21:22
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Originally Posted by BONES_ View Post
Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time.

Then, since you donít have a valid licence yet, contact your new CAA (the aeromedical section of the Polish CAA in this case). Follow their instructions and youíll get your new EASA medical.

Itís not a hard process but can be very slow.
There are forms SRG2150 and also SRG1202. Do both need to be completed for changing the state of issue of the medical certificate?
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Old 17th Dec 2018, 21:46
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Like BONES said get in touch with the Polish CAA. They are the best entity to advise you on the subject ... (assuming that the ATO that you will attend to do the PPL is a Polish ATO). Also check with the ATO (the flight school) that you will attend to do the PPL after January to see what advise they can provide on the subject.

Fill up SRG 1202 form so that the UK CAA can release your medical details. Make sure they receive it - you might need to wait some time.
NOT sure about this. Believe that SRG 1202 is to transfer from another EASA country, to the CAA. The form says:
"Transfer of Medical Records to the UK Aeromedical Section (AMS)"
I recently transfered from the UK to Ireland, and did not use SRG 1202.
You have however to use SRG 1201. This is to pay (£77) to the UK CAA, so that they will transfer your Medical Data to the Polish CAA.

Originally Posted by nightfright
I believe if you have a class 1 issued by one EASA state, this will be transferred to another EASA stated and accepted. So you will not need to re do the medical again. But happy to be corrected.
No need to be corrected. You are correct ...
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 08:57
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I would love to know how many applications the IAA have been recieving, they must be crazy busy.
about 1/2 of my colleagues (all the UK licence holders) have applied this week!
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 12:59
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I would love to know how many applications the IAA have been recieving, they must be crazy busy.
about 1/2 of my colleagues (all the UK licence holders) have applied this week!
Is there any reason in particular everyone here seems to be going over to the IAA? Might be a good idea to avoid them at this point given how much volume they are receiving. What are the Scandinavian authorities like?
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 14:23
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I would love to know how many applications the IAA have been recieving, they must be crazy busy.
about 1/2 of my colleagues (all the UK licence holders) have applied this week!
I sent my papers last week november, was received on 29th by IAA, still no response, simple adding of endorsement. When I did conversion to Ireland it took roughly 12 weeks (that was year ago).
Last endorsement I added in October was done for 2 weeks sharp. I hope they have some mandatory deadlines otherwise it can take months.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 15:37
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they must be crazy busy
Also think so ! When I went there to get my licence, there were pilots (fresh CPLs) that are joining Ryan, that were swapping from an EU Authority (not the UK) to Ireland, because Ryan probably demands that their crew to have IAA licences. Therefore if everyone that works at Ryan has to have an IAA licence, that already gives them some work to do. If you add ASL, Stobart and Air Lingus, then they probably already have more than enough work to do, without the people that are jumping from the UK to Ireland.

or are UK operators now encouraging their pilots to get eu easa licences so as to hedge their bets?
Read somewhere in here, some months ago, that Easy asked 1400 of their pilots to swap their licences from the UK to Austria.

simple adding of endorsement
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If you wouldn't mind the question, when you say "simple adding of endorsement", this means that you are adding a new rating to your licence, or you did an LPC and the Examiner choose not to endorse the licence, and therefore you have to apply for a new licence ? In my view the first possibility is slightly more work for the IAA, then the second possibility. Will have to do an LPC sometime in the near future , hence my curiosity ...

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Old 18th Dec 2018, 17:24
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Originally Posted by zerograv View Post

If you wouldn't mind the question, when you say "simple adding of endorsement", this means that you are adding a new rating to your licence, or you did an LPC and the Examiner choose not to endorse the licence, and therefore you have to apply for a new licence ? In my view the first possibility is slightly more work for the IAA, then the second possibility. Will have to do an LPC sometime in the near future , hence my curiosity ...
I had skill test and waiting TR to be endorsed on license. I don't think it is much more job than other regular endorsement. If other CAA's can do it in 7 days timeframe I suppose every CAA can do it as well. I asked about paid express service as in UK CAA, they don't have it, so I need to be patient
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 17:50
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If other CAA's can do it in 7 days timeframe I suppose every CAA can do it as well.
the UK CAA donít do anything in 7 days in my experience, I have had the misfortune to have asked for a licence verification letter many times and it always takes a month.
i believe the UK CAA are saying 19 working days to turn around the Doc 155 and send it to the IAA (or wherever)
however the IAA seem to be making the initial request more or less immediately which is nice.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 18:09
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the UK CAA donít do anything in 7 days in my experience, I have had the misfortune to have asked for a licence verification letter many times and it always takes a month.
I was not speaking about UK caa, but other easa caa's of my colleagues. I heard about UK caa, but at least you have there express service option.
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Old 18th Dec 2018, 22:33
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Nebojsar

Thanks for your feedback ! It certainly sounds an awful long time to add a TR to a licence.

Admittedly, up to last year, the UK CAA used to be very good. Was always able to get everything done on same day, often in 1 morning, or less, by using "Same day service". As long as all the paperwork was correct, there would be no problems. This year the whole hell broke loose ...
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 04:52
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Hello all,

I’ve been following this thread for a while now and am just about to complete my PPL under Austro Control. issuing me an Austrian PPL.

My intention is to move straight onto ATPL’s and it seems the sensible thing to do is do them with an EASA member state, BBS are offering this from the UK however my main choice is probably Bartolini air... regardless is this a good idea for the following reson? If I get my ATPL from an EASA country and then after Brexit do not have the right to live or work in that country (British National). Would that not mean the EASA ATPL’s have been for nothing? On the other hand assuming you gain employment with an airline in the EU you can then live there.

Then what if I wanted to fly in the UK again has it been announced if it’s possible to transfer EASA to CAA?

I plead ignorance but there’s a lot to take in here and I’m trying to make the most informed decision I possible can. If you were to begin your ATPL exams next year where would you go?

Cheers in advance.
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Old 19th Dec 2018, 07:39
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Hello all,

Iíve been following this thread for a while now and am just about to complete my PPL under Austro Control. issuing me an Austrian PPL.

My intention is to move straight onto ATPLís and it seems the sensible thing to do is do them with an EASA member state, BBS are offering this from the UK however my main choice is probably Bartolini air... regardless is this a good idea for the following reson? If I get my ATPL from an EASA country and then after Brexit do not have the right to live or work in that country (British National). Would that not mean the EASA ATPLís have been for nothing? On the other hand assuming you gain employment with an airline in the EU you can then live there.

Then what if I wanted to fly in the UK again has it been announced if itís possible to transfer EASA to CAA?

I plead ignorance but thereís a lot to take in here and Iím trying to make the most informed decision I possible can. If you were to begin your ATPL exams next year where would you go?

Cheers in advance.
If you do not already reside in an EU country by the time the UK leaves (either at the end of the transition period or next march) you won't have the right to live and work in the EU. Come to think of it, in the case of an unorderly brexit you won't have the right anyway. However, a caveat that many miss, even if you have the right to live and work in an EU country, you do not have the right to live and work in any other EU country, only in the one where you have residency as you are a third country citizen, pretty much the same as any refugee that got granted to reside. Unless the UK changes their stance on freedom of movement of course. Which will get messy with the orange outfit as their UK national pilots cannot move from one countries anymore, same for the irish one i guess.

As far as i know the UK CAA will accept EASA licenses to transfer them into UK ones, but who knows how that will change?
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