Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike
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There are hundreds of contract pilots within Ryanair.
I presume that Balpa (as the recognised union within Ryanair) will insist on these ‘temporary contract’ pilots will be released from service before a single striking/Balpa member is given mandatory redundancy?!
I doubt it.
One thing I’ve learned about Balpa over the many years of membership is that they like to talk and shout and organise and incite action from the pilots, but when it comes down to it, they rarely elect to fight the battle themselves.
Its a standard given that you can’t keep ‘full time’ contractors on the books and have them working and flying, whilst making permanent staff redundant.
Personally I am glad for the girls’n’guys who will put their head above the parapet and actually strike. Unfortunately, Ryanair will target them and dismiss them. This is precisely why MOL made the press release stating that there will be job cuts. It’s an attempt to legitimise the dismissals, and the ‘zero hour’ Storm contracts will see the agency pilots sit out a month of flying (which they have to have off every year anyway in a thinly vailed attempt to try and convince the rest of the world’s tax authorities they aren’t permanent employees) to again try and validate the airlines downsizing.
Let’s just see what Balpa does the help them when the axe comes falling.
Finally, I wish all at easyjet the best from the Ryanair management ship jumping;
First there was WB
Old rostering manager - JB
Old DDFO - SC
Old DFO/COO - PB
easyJet’s ‘Orange Spirit’ will soon be blue and yellow!
I presume that Balpa (as the recognised union within Ryanair) will insist on these ‘temporary contract’ pilots will be released from service before a single striking/Balpa member is given mandatory redundancy?!
I doubt it.
One thing I’ve learned about Balpa over the many years of membership is that they like to talk and shout and organise and incite action from the pilots, but when it comes down to it, they rarely elect to fight the battle themselves.
Its a standard given that you can’t keep ‘full time’ contractors on the books and have them working and flying, whilst making permanent staff redundant.
Personally I am glad for the girls’n’guys who will put their head above the parapet and actually strike. Unfortunately, Ryanair will target them and dismiss them. This is precisely why MOL made the press release stating that there will be job cuts. It’s an attempt to legitimise the dismissals, and the ‘zero hour’ Storm contracts will see the agency pilots sit out a month of flying (which they have to have off every year anyway in a thinly vailed attempt to try and convince the rest of the world’s tax authorities they aren’t permanent employees) to again try and validate the airlines downsizing.
Let’s just see what Balpa does the help them when the axe comes falling.
Finally, I wish all at easyjet the best from the Ryanair management ship jumping;
First there was WB
Old rostering manager - JB
Old DDFO - SC
Old DFO/COO - PB
easyJet’s ‘Orange Spirit’ will soon be blue and yellow!
This is the power of having a trade union. This is why companies, the likes of Ryanair will seek to move heaven and earth to not have union recognition in the first place and spread misinformation and false hoods to try and limit industrial action.
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More misinformed nonsense. It would be illegal for Ryanair to dismiss workers for striking under an organised Trade Union strike. So Ryanair will not do it, for fear of illegal dismissal claims which would be easily proved, resulting in huge numbers of claims carrying unlimited costs to the company.
This is the power of having a trade union. This is why companies, the likes of Ryanair will seek to move heaven and earth to not have union recognition in the first place and spread misinformation and false hoods to try and limit industrial action.
The company often is taken to court for employment related issues and often settles out of court with large payouts and a no publicity/gagging clause.
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You’re joking aren’t you?! Ryanair have dismissed people for years because they are members of Balpa, questioned management or went public with working practices, or even were sick. Cabin crew have been sacked on performance and sales related issues for decades.
The company often is taken to court for employment related issues and often settles out of court with large payouts and a no publicity/gagging clause.
Ireland, Italy, Portugal,Germany Spain have all had strikes under Ryanair and no one has been sacked. There are laws protecting striking workers within the UK!
I would have have really hoped that all airline staff would have backed staff of ryr, for when the terms go down in ryr, they follow throughout the industry. What happens here, will effect everyone!
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Maybe there should be a trade union wide ballot to strike (as in other countries and other sectors), rather than just company specific. A staged walkout by all pilots to try and generalised and standardised term and conditions across the industry to ensure that the erosion and reduction ceases.
Just a thought.
More misinformed nonsense. It would be illegal for Ryanair to dismiss workers for striking under an organised Trade Union strike. So Ryanair will not do it, for fear of illegal dismissal claims which would be easily proved, resulting in huge numbers of claims carrying unlimited costs to the company.
The maximum amount that you can be awarded as compensation for Unfair Dismissal is presently the statutory capof £86,444, or 52 weeks gross salary- whichever is the lower. This is in addition to the basic award which can be ordered by the Tribunal of up to a maximum of £15,750. These figures are from 6th April 2019
dismiss a few of the more vocal strikers (not the reps they have access to immediate relief)” pour encouragers les autres”
let them take you to employment tribunal in say 12-18 months. Don’t even need an expensive solicitor if you admit it all.
Unfortunately UK employment law is pathetic and only get worse for workers.
After browsing through this thread, I've realized I don't miss Leo Hairy Camel that much.
Yeah! Instead of working for Ryanair, they should have become LoCo 738 pilots like me and get three weeks off during the summer or maybe even go play with the sidesticks like my classmate who gets 3x10 days off in Jun-Aug, LoCo also.
Yeah! Instead of working for Ryanair, they should have become LoCo 738 pilots like me and get three weeks off during the summer or maybe even go play with the sidesticks like my classmate who gets 3x10 days off in Jun-Aug, LoCo also.
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You’re joking aren’t you?! Ryanair have dismissed people for years because they are members of Balpa, questioned management or went public with working practices, or even were sick. Cabin crew have been sacked on performance and sales related issues for decades.
The company often is taken to court for employment related issues and often settles out of court with large payouts and a no publicity/gagging clause.
You have missed the point. It’s not about membership of BALPA but rather taking part in industrial action.
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oh but the costs are very limited.
The maximum amount that you can be awarded as compensation for Unfair Dismissal is presently the statutory capof £86,444, or 52 weeks gross salary- whichever is the lower. This is in addition to the basic award which can be ordered by the Tribunal of up to a maximum of £15,750. These figures are from 6th April 2019
dismiss a few of the more vocal strikers (not the reps they have access to immediate relief)” pour encouragers les autres”
let them take you to employment tribunal in say 12-18 months. Don’t even need an expensive solicitor if you admit it all.
Unfortunately UK employment law is pathetic and only get worse for workers.
Yes they are protected. If they are sacked for taking part in industrial action it is automatically unfair dismissal. However they still need to go to an employment tribunal, which will take 12-18 months to organise, and the payout is still limited to the figures I stated earlier.
You're not so naive to believe that no striking worker hasn’t been sacked in the past or will be sacked in the future are you??
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ill try to explain it again simply.
Yes they are protected. If they are sacked for taking part in industrial action it is automatically unfair dismissal. However they still need to go to an employment tribunal, which will take 12-18 months to organise, and the payout is still limited to the figures I stated earlier.
You're not so naive to believe that no striking worker hasn’t been sacked in the past or will be sacked in the future are you??
Anything but. Having been a BALPA union rep in the past and a very active member and supporter I’m just trying to point out the realities of industrial action in the UK.
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Instead of arguing amongst ourselves just read the gov.uk facts
Dismissal for industrial action
You can’t be dismissed for industrial action if:
it’s called as a result of a properly organised ballot
it’s about a trade dispute between workers and their employer (eg about your terms and conditions)
a detailed notice about the industrial action (which is legally required) has been given to the employer at least 7 days before it begins
You can claim unfair dismissal at an employment tribunal if you’re dismissed for taking industrial action at any time within the 12 weeks after the action began.
After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.
You can’t be dismissed for industrial action if:
it’s called as a result of a properly organised ballot
it’s about a trade dispute between workers and their employer (eg about your terms and conditions)
a detailed notice about the industrial action (which is legally required) has been given to the employer at least 7 days before it begins
You can claim unfair dismissal at an employment tribunal if you’re dismissed for taking industrial action at any time within the 12 weeks after the action began.
After 12 weeks, you can be dismissed if you take industrial action and your employer has tried to settle the dispute. For example, your employer may bring in advisers from Acas to help find a solution.
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Thanks. But what evidence do you have to support this stance, other than your opinion expressed here.
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I have never said it isn’t unlawful to dismiss someone who is taking lawful industrial action. Just like it is unlawful to dismiss someone because they are coloured or a woman or disabled etc etc.
Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. If companies acted entirely within employment law we would have no need for employment tribunals. But funnily enough we do have them.
In previous careers I have very much seen “trouble makers” unlawfully dismissed but the employer deemed it cheaper and easier to get rid.
If you think Ryanair wouldn’t sack a handful of employees during an industrial dispute if it saw an advantage then you are very very naive. Yes it would be totally illegal but the only restitution is through an employment tribunal. It would take you 12-18 months to get there, and you would only get a very minimal payout (relatively) Ryanair’s solicitor of choice is very well versed and very well practiced in employment tribunals and industrial disputes in all UK industries.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen!!!
Doesn’t mean that it doesn’t happen. If companies acted entirely within employment law we would have no need for employment tribunals. But funnily enough we do have them.
In previous careers I have very much seen “trouble makers” unlawfully dismissed but the employer deemed it cheaper and easier to get rid.
If you think Ryanair wouldn’t sack a handful of employees during an industrial dispute if it saw an advantage then you are very very naive. Yes it would be totally illegal but the only restitution is through an employment tribunal. It would take you 12-18 months to get there, and you would only get a very minimal payout (relatively) Ryanair’s solicitor of choice is very well versed and very well practiced in employment tribunals and industrial disputes in all UK industries.
Just because something is illegal doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen!!!
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Lol! There is one noun in there that shows just how out of touch you are! Enough said.
Apologies. English isn’t my mother tongue so you’ll have to elaborate. However I am very au fait with nasty employers and unfair dismissal cases having been sat as a rep right next to them as they were told to leave the building and as a witness in their unfair dismissal cases.
But youre the expert here 🙄
But youre the expert here 🙄
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Apologies. English isn’t my mother tongue so you’ll have to elaborate. However I am very au fait with nasty employers and unfair dismissal cases having been sat as a rep right next to them as they were told to leave the building and as a witness in their unfair dismissal cases.
But youre the expert here 🙄
But youre the expert here 🙄
People will be getting bored of this but I’ll say it one last time and leave the thread to get back to the actual title.
I was sat sat next to people who were about to be unfairly dismissed. And I have been a witness in employment tribunals.
If you are sacked for taking part in a correctly organised trade union dispute (whether that is strike or action short of strike) then that is unfair dismissal.
However your recourse is exactly the same whether you are sacked for striking or you are sacked for any other unfair reason. Just because the strike is legal doesn’t mean you can’t be unlawfully dismissed.
Your former employer will just suck up the “fine” and move on.
It really isn’t hard to understand. Anyone can be sacked. It’s up to an employment tribunal to sort out the details much much later.
I was sat sat next to people who were about to be unfairly dismissed. And I have been a witness in employment tribunals.
If you are sacked for taking part in a correctly organised trade union dispute (whether that is strike or action short of strike) then that is unfair dismissal.
However your recourse is exactly the same whether you are sacked for striking or you are sacked for any other unfair reason. Just because the strike is legal doesn’t mean you can’t be unlawfully dismissed.
Your former employer will just suck up the “fine” and move on.
It really isn’t hard to understand. Anyone can be sacked. It’s up to an employment tribunal to sort out the details much much later.