Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike
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Ryanair UK pilots vote for strike
Skynews is reporting that UK based RYR pilots have voted for strike action and have announced dates -:
22-23 August and 2/9-4/9 inclusive.
Sorry can’t post a link at the moment.
Be lucky
David
Thanks to Senor Richard for the tip
22-23 August and 2/9-4/9 inclusive.
Sorry can’t post a link at the moment.
Be lucky
David
Thanks to Senor Richard for the tip
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Idiocy Doctor Cruces. Antediluvian attitude.
People don't go on strike because they don't want their job. I was part of one recently, and we desperately wanted our jobs, and in accordance with agreements previously made and not honoured by management.
People don't go on strike because they don't want their job. I was part of one recently, and we desperately wanted our jobs, and in accordance with agreements previously made and not honoured by management.
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Well done UK ryr pilots!
the industry has been waiting for this for 20years!
lets stop this race to the bottom, I hope regardless of the wings on your uniform everyone backs them. Let them know next time you see them at security, because ryanair economics will come after your airline unless we stop it.
the industry has been waiting for this for 20years!
lets stop this race to the bottom, I hope regardless of the wings on your uniform everyone backs them. Let them know next time you see them at security, because ryanair economics will come after your airline unless we stop it.
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Originally Posted by UAV689
lets stop this race to the bottom, I hope regardless of the wings on your uniform everyone backs them. Let them know next time you see them at security, because ryanair economics will come after your airline unless we stop it.
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Originally Posted by Alycidon
Well yes, this makes it quite clear that the BALPA agenda is to protect the Terms and Conditions of pilots at BA, EZY, TCX and TUI.
Balpa just do what the council of that airline staff instruct it to do.
And even if that is the case, and everyone gets a better future, is that not a good thing?
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While I do support the UK Ryanair pilots I have to question the timing. Isn’t it a bit too late. 2 years ago there was much more momentum. Brexit far away, no 737MAX delivery issue, economy booming as hell.
Still: You have my support and I do hope you get what you want. What happens in RYR is important for the entire European aviation industry. Good luck!
Still: You have my support and I do hope you get what you want. What happens in RYR is important for the entire European aviation industry. Good luck!
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And even if that is the case, and everyone gets a better future, is that not a good thing?
So with just one year of Union recognition, RYR pilots are downing tools, how long did pilots at BA, EZY, TCX or TUI take? How many strikes at those companies have been mandated?
What advice do you think the BRCC have been given by big BALPA who at the same time represent the other airlines who of course will give the sacked pilots first refusal and direct entry commands when RYR "downsize".
All seems a bit Gung Ho to me.
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What a fantastic time to be working in the aviation industry .The company I worked for at Manchester airport , Premiere Handling, went bump owing me six weeks wages and now the day I am due to fly back off my holidays in France Ryanair go and do this. I can guarantee this is the very last time I purchase a flight from this shower and it's not due to the staff but the appalling management as they are laughingly called. It was another small Irishman that finished my 20 year career at British Airways 12 years ago.
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Ryanair had to many bases to orderly organize them all efficiently. And now when the split crew and rule tactic no longer works it was time for a large cull.
Wasn't the message a month ago also that any crew that wanted local contracts had to go to the new Malta based subsidiary because the Irish government has refused even consultation on the matter of the policy that all Irish flagged aircraft have to have crew on Irish contracts that pay their taxes to Ireland. And hence that a lot of Ryanair aircraft and crew would be moved to the Malta airline. This could be a reorganisation preparation for this. Handily coupled with an opportunity to inject a bit of fear into the negotiations.
Wasn't the message a month ago also that any crew that wanted local contracts had to go to the new Malta based subsidiary because the Irish government has refused even consultation on the matter of the policy that all Irish flagged aircraft have to have crew on Irish contracts that pay their taxes to Ireland. And hence that a lot of Ryanair aircraft and crew would be moved to the Malta airline. This could be a reorganisation preparation for this. Handily coupled with an opportunity to inject a bit of fear into the negotiations.
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Originally Posted by Alycidon
Apart of course from the pilots who get their p45s.
So with just one year of Union recognition, RYR pilots are downing tools, how long did pilots at BA, EZY, TCX or TUI take? How many strikes at those companies have been mandated?
What advice do you think the BRCC have been given by big BALPA who at the same time represent the other airlines who of course will give the sacked pilots first refusal and direct entry commands when RYR "downsize".
All seems a bit Gung Ho to me.
So with just one year of Union recognition, RYR pilots are downing tools, how long did pilots at BA, EZY, TCX or TUI take? How many strikes at those companies have been mandated?
What advice do you think the BRCC have been given by big BALPA who at the same time represent the other airlines who of course will give the sacked pilots first refusal and direct entry commands when RYR "downsize".
All seems a bit Gung Ho to me.
This is a company that pays its direct entry staff more than existing long term staff, refuses to put in place a cla which means they can do whatever they want to you whenever they need.
Ryr pilots get paid less than they did 18yrs ago. Its a fact. Yet the company makes far more money.
it puts other airlines out of buisness, why? Because its costs are so low. The cost of fuel is fixed, the other cost is staff.
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The cost of fuel is fixed,
Airlines pay pay a variable rate for fuel subject to both fuel and currency hedging, but to get back on subject...
Manpower in any large company is sourced as cheaply as the market will allow, I think RYR see this as good business practice.
Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, but strike action won’t make this happen and I worry that downsizing or closing bases won’t only affect pilots, but Cabin Crew, Engineers and Handling staff will lose their jobs too.
proceed with caution...
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It was another small Irishman that finished my 20 year career at British Airways 12 years ago.
Originally Posted by Alycidon
Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all,
That's quite an assumption.
I don't have a dog in this particular fight but IMHO but having seen events elsewhere I'd say that a long term union policy of putting peace and harmony with the company above all other employee concerns can have sub-optimal consequences for the entire work force..
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser
Gung-ho? Well with just 38% of the UK pilot force willing or able to strike, and spectacularly badly timed, it might be? Good luck though (and to those who get made redundant and relocated).
Yet again, its ryanair mathematics.
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Originally Posted by Alycidon
er, no it’s not.
Airlines pay pay a variable rate for fuel subject to both fuel and currency hedging, but to get back on subject...
Manpower in any large company is sourced as cheaply as the market will allow, I think RYR see this as good business practice.
Good employee relations in RYR are surely what the BRCC and the pilots want most of all, but strike action won’t make this happen and I worry that downsizing or closing bases won’t only affect pilots, but Cabin Crew, Engineers and Handling staff will lose their jobs too.
proceed with caution...
fine. So lets all take continual worsening terms then, because it will allow the company to make more money. I presume you will be first in the queue to take a pay cut at your current employer? You will be doing a market a favour then by allowing everyones terms to lower and make everyone more profitable.
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Speak to the Guardian?
Hi,
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.
Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.
Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at guardian.co.uk.
Many thanks,
Rob
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.
Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.
Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at guardian.co.uk.
Many thanks,
Rob
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Originally Posted by GuardianMan
Hi,
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.
Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.
Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at gmail dot com.
Many thanks,
Rob
I'm a Guardian journalist who has posted on this forum before. Some of the forum members have been willing to engage with me and others less so, which is understandable.
Nevertheless, I'm looking to speak to Ryanair pilots, particularly those who are members of BALPA.
Please do get in touch via this forum or at my email address which is rob dot davies at gmail dot com.
Many thanks,
Rob
