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Ethiopian airliner down in Africa

Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:34
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just in - U.S will ground all MAX from White house grounded on landing at destination

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:35
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Twitter has it that Trump has just grounded all the 737 Max. If true, that's kinda handy for FAA and Boeing in that POTUS has taken the heat.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:35
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USA grounds all B737-8 and 9 MAX as per now, 1130 PT.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:38
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President Trump said that planes in the air will be grounded on arrival at their destinations.

MAX's airborne at 1835Z:


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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:44
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I would go to the manufacturer of the FDR and CVR and take some experts with, which do participate in the examination and restoration of the content. Should be plenty of experts around in the different national agencies.
Then get a copy of the digital content and take it to a safe place. From that on any tempering with the evidence is impossible and can always be proven. So the critical path is until you can read out the digital content. You can be sure that Boeing, GE, Safran and all the current Max users have a high interest in a timely and honest investigation. Is enough money at stake here.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:46
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Trump says FAA will release details in "half an hour or so".
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:47
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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tru...airlines-crash
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:48
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Garneau said the decision to issue the safety notice was made after his department received new data suggesting a similarity between the Ethiopian Airlines crash and another deadly crash off Indonesia in October. He pointed out, however, that the information was new and unproven.

"There are — and I hasten to say not conclusive — but there are similarities," he said. "My departmental officials continue to monitor the situation and I will not hesitate to take swift action should we discover any additional safety issues."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gar...rash-1.5054234

Yesterday while catching up on this thread after a trans-Pacific flight, I saw an Air Canada Max taxiing in at Vancouver. Since I had not seen one before, I wandered over to its gate and discovered it was my ride to Calgary! I just snuck in under the wire!

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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:50
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...and also FlyDubai grounded their MAXes

https://www.flydubai.com/en/contact/operational-updates
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:51
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Am I right in thinking that EASA had concerns about the certification of the MCAS system but in the end decided to take the lead from the FAA?

If that is true and it turns out that MCAS was also involved in the ET-302 crash, Boeing’s problems could be much worse than first thought.

I wouldn’t be surprised if those MAXs grounded outside the US yesterday and today, may still be on the ground long after Boeing’s software fix in April.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:53
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UK Channel Islands airspace now closed to 737 MAX ... valuable, since none of our airports are big enough to take the aircraft anyway!
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:53
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK View Post
Thanks.

The penny has just dropped - GPS altitude is displayed for live flights, but not on replay.
Ah, that tidies up the confusion. I wonder why FR24 don't save the GNSS altitude, it would seem to be useful information for replays.

Perhaps they do but just haven't hooked the tubes up to the right taps.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 18:59
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Originally Posted by EDLB View Post
I would go to the manufacturer of the FDR and CVR and take some experts with, which do participate in the examination and restoration of the content. Should be plenty of experts around in the different national agencies.
Then get a copy of the digital content and take it to a safe place. From that on any tempering with the evidence is impossible and can always be proven. So the critical path is until you can read out the digital content. You can be sure that Boeing, GE, Safran and all the current Max users have a high interest in a timely and honest investigation. Is enough money at stake here.
Given that they basically took one massive shortcut to bring the aircraft to market and avoid people buying NEO's instead, what makes you think they wouldn't rush a "solution" to market rather than do a thorough and proper job?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:00
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Just being announced on Twitter. Look for POTUS.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:02
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Originally Posted by MPN11 View Post
UK Channel Islands airspace now closed to 737 MAX ... valuable, since none of our airports are big enough to take the aircraft anyway!
But on your large and congested islands at least you are now safe from the risk of an overflight going wrong. By the way, you call it UK CI airspace, but isn't it pretty much all inside the Brest FIR?
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:02
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Originally Posted by gpsavd View Post
Just being announced on Twitter. Look for POTUS.
Just turn on cable news.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:03
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And airlines now are starting to claim some refunds...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKBN1QU0S9
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:05
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So I guess that must signal the end of the FAA as it is today. Even their ultimate boss is doing their job for them.
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Old 13th Mar 2019, 19:09
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Boeing's latest response..."abundance of caution"

[QUOTE]Boeing statement on grounding move


Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
Boeing continues to have full confidence in the safety of the 737 MAX. However, after consultation with the US Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the US National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), and aviation authorities and its customers around the world, Boeing has determined - out of an abundance of caution and in order to reassure the flying public of the aircraft’s safety - to recommend to the FAA the temporary suspension of operations of the entire global fleet of 371 737 MAX aircraft.
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