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Ethiopian airliner down in Africa

Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:31
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Ethiopian 737 MAX airliner down in Africa

Just seen on SKY an ET aircraft out of Addis to Nairobi has crashed

pob 149 + 8 crew

no more as yet -

edit ET302 brand new 737-8 MAX reg ET-AVJ

crashed a few mins after take off

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:35
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Tweet. Boeing 737-8 Max. Few minutes after departure...
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:35
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https://www.thenational.ae/world/afr...-says-1.835173

An Ethiopian Airlines 737 flight to Nairobi crashed on Sunday morning, the Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed said, offering his condolences on social media.

It is not clear how many people were on board the flight to the Kenyan capital but Mr Abiy offered his "deepest condolences to the families of those that have lost their loved ones on Ethiopian Airlines Boeing 737 on regular scheduled flight to Nairobi, Kenya this morning".

It is not clear which flight Mr Abiy was referring to.

NPR reporter Eyder Peralta said an Ethiopian Airlines spokesperson confirmed the crash and the company was set to make a statement.......

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737-max?

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Tweet. Boeing 737-8 Max. Few minutes after departure...
Well - we all hoped it wasn't going to be another Max but if it is then blimey...

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yes it is a new Max 8 et-avj
flight ET302
157 tob

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:40
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Accident to Ethiopian Airlines flight number ET 302
Ethiopian Airlines regrets to confirm that its flight ET 302/10 March in schedule service from Addis Ababa to Nairobi was involved in an accident today around Bishoftu (Debre Zeit).

The aircraft B-737-800MAX with registration number ET- AVJ took off at 08:38 am local time from Addis Ababa, Bole International Airport and lost contact at 08:44am. At this time search and rescue operations are in progress and we have no confirmed information about survivors or any possible causalities. Ethiopian Airlines staff will be sent to the accident scene and will do everything possible to assist the emergency services.
It is believed that there were 149 passengers and 8 crew onboard the flight but we are currently confirming the details of the passenger manifest for the flight.
Ethiopian Airlines is establishing a passenger information center and telephone number will be available shortly for family or friends of those who may have been on flight ET 302/10 March.
Ethiopian Airlines will release further information as soon as it is available. Updated information will also be on Ethiopian Airlines website at
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:55
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Another AoA / stall recovery / horizontal stabilizer autotrim problem?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 08:57
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Just took a look at Flightradar, it shows a climb to 8000ft, then a slight drop to 7600ft and a climb back to 8600ft where the data ends at a speed of 383kts...
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IF this is the MCAS fault again, then the consequences will be enormous, probably a grounding of the MAX fleet.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:05
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From the Prime Minsters office sending his condolences to the relatives the accident sounds very bad.

The 737 took off (08.38) from Bole and reached **8600' crashing just east of the city. Radar Contact lost at 08.44
No reports yet of any survivors. 157 tob.

edit ** Bole airport is over 7000' ASL

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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:08
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Crash site seems to be on land, so it should be easier to recover the recorders. Maybe there will be some early information about the cause. The age of the aircraft is interesting. Is there a systematic issue with AoA sensors?
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Originally Posted by bumpy737 View Post
Just took a look at Flightradar, it shows a climb to 8000ft, then a slight drop to 7600ft and a climb back to 8600ft where the data ends at a speed of 383kts...
please confirm that was et302. I have people on that route
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:11
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It was ET302.

re FR24 data, they’ve tweeted that they don’t have the full flight data due to coverage.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:12
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Its previous flight shows touchdown at around 7800ft a quick search shows the elevation of ADB about the same 7726ft. If thats the case it reached about 1000ft before it crashed taking into account the airports elevation ?
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:13
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Bishoftu is near the main Ethiopian Air Force base

Bishoftu is an Air Force town. If one had any time at all to aim for an airport (who knows?) it would be a good choice.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:14
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Originally Posted by LiamNCL View Post
Its previous flight shows touchdown at around 7800ft a quick search shows the elevation of ADB about the same 7726ft. If thats the case it reached about 1000ft before it crashed taking into account the airports elevation ?

Airport Elevation is 7,656ft, it seems your correct because after take of altitude goes from 0 to 8025ft in one update.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:17
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Originally Posted by log0008 View Post
Airport Elevation is 7,656ft, it seems your correct because after take of altitude goes from 0 to 8025ft in one update.
Just think the 8000ft being said is misleading as the aircraft only climbed about 1000ft before it stops which brings it back closer to the initial climb of the lion air which encountered problems early in the climb.
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Originally Posted by bumpy737 View Post
Just took a look at Flightradar, it shows a climb to 8000ft, then a slight drop to 7600ft and a climb back to 8600ft where the data ends at a speed of 383kts...
I suspect that the altitude data you see on FlightRadar is being referenced to AGL, wherein HAAB has an elevation of 7,625 ft whereas FlightRadar shows the flight starting out at 0 ft.... therein if one adds 8,000 ft onto the airfield elevation it then makes more sense... and the 'dip' you see would then consistent with the crew switching their altimeter reference settings from the QNH (1029) in Addis Ababa this morning over Standard (1013), and with a published Transition Altitude of 14,000 ft. (i.e setting the altimeter reference from 1029 to 1013 has the effect of winding height off the altimeter, and I suspect that would show-up on the ADS-B as a change of altitude).

HAAB 100600Z 07010KT 9999 FEW025 18/09 Q1029
TAF HAAB 092130Z 1000/1106 09008KT 9999 SCT028 SCT090 BECMG 1007/1011 12008KT BKN026
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:28
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Crash site is quite a few miles south of the airfield.
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:34
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Originally Posted by JEP View Post
FlightRadar altitudes are MSL when planes are in the air. When on the ground it shows 0. A little confusing.
If that were the case, the moment the aircraft leaves the ground the altitude readout it would jump to the airfield elevation plus a few feet, would it not? (but that isn't what we see here)
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Old 10th Mar 2019, 09:36
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Originally Posted by Old King Coal View Post
If that were the case, the moment the aircraft leaves the ground the altitude readout it would jump to the airfield elevation plus a few feet, would it not? (but that isn't what we see here)
Yes it is, the first reported height is 8025ft, 250 or so feet AGL. The coverage in the area isn't great so updates aren't as regular.
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