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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:37
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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

A B777 could probably land on an unpaved surface once!
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:37
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A fairly good description of the pings

TMF Associates MSS blog » Understanding ?satellite pings??
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:44
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OK Barrel, you convinced me,
it must be spilled coffee or such;

ABC NEWS is junk media;

All the official investigative, LE, and SAR operatives that have concluded it was deliberate piloting expertise in play are idiots;

FR24 and his radar plot shows are unquestionable gospel;

and all the hanky-panky that has so far left this flight mystery un-found and
unsolved, suggests that the FMC and HDG activities (we can review or just guess at) would only be straightfoward and normal and not devious or confusing.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:49
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After this much time, I find it hard to believe it being on the "northern track" or on the ground. The US has ample satellite means of reconnaissance to identify the plane, if it ws at any known airport. An off-airport landing would likely trigger the ELT, unless it can be deactivated in flight. It can't on my plane.

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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:51
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ELT

Exsp....If the aircraft has landed deliberately on some secret airstrip, highly unlikely I guess, then it woudn't activate and the same reason as above would apply

There are 2 portable ELT in the cabin plus those in any rafts. Not sure if this ac had life rafts in the stowage. Also in the slide rafts but difficult, (not impossible) to get.

These can be activated at anytime, just put in water. Galley/ toilet sink would suffice.

The question is why we're they not activated by the crew. Most likely because the 'pilot' was assuring everyone over the pa that they were diverting etc etc.

The SAT ping being picked up was from the engine monitoring system, mentioned earlier in the thread. This is independent from the ACARS sat system which can easily be disabled. Or just pull the cb's in the overhead panel.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:51
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Originally Posted by rigbyrigz
OK Barrel, you convinced me,
it must be spilled coffee or such;

ABC NEWS is junk media;

All the official investigative, LE, and SAR operatives that have concluded it was deliberate piloting expertise in play are idiots;

FR24 and his radar plot shows are unquestionable gospel;

and all the hanky-panky that has so far left this flight mystery un-found and
unsolved, suggests that the FMC and HDG activities (we can review or just guess at) would only be straightfoward and normal and not devious or confusing.
I really have hard time understanding your sarcasm.
If you think I am wrong, then please care to explain me exactly where and why.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:53
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Until there is concrete evidence of their evolvement, I consider the flight crew as two more victims in this horrible crime.......!
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:53
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The single satellite ``location'' measurements that they are doing will not be able to tell that the last couple of pings were from the same location.

They will just tell us that they were from about the same distance from the satellite, i.e. on the same concentric angle circle, e.g. the 40 degree circle.

If this happened then landing (on land or in the sea) may be one explanation. Another might be that the plane's path turned to be more around or tangential to the circles, rather than perpendicular.
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The whole 25º to 40º was explained in the first couple of days with FlightRadar saying they see it as according to flight plan and it being clear for all to see in historical flight data...non-starter
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:55
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Interestingly the Malaysians are in full political mode. I'm intrigued that the Malaysian PM mentioned the FAA, NTSB, AAIB as the promulgators of this information regarding the Inmarset ping. If hewas confident 100% that the info was ironclad then they would have claimed it themselves, instead the PM is hedging his bets. It clearly shows he is putting these agencies credibility on the hook and not just their own. If this information turns out in the future to be incorrect which is a possibility then the Malaysians will not be the ones getting the blame for it. A bit of political insurance in my opinion, when you read the PM's statement it is obvious that the Malaysians at the time are not 100% in support of it. The statement makes no mention of the lead investigator and the minister of transport who were quite active in the investigation. I suspect that these men don't quite agree with the info aboutthe ping.
There may be a whole lot more to this yet.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 23:57
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They need to keep sweeping the South China Sea especially near the South Veitnam coast. To stop searching this area now is insane. By now it's under the ocean, the wreckage probably sunk after the last sat ping at 08:11am. The search and rescue effort hadn't even properly started then.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:02
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Can a B777 land on unpaved surfaces?
Been answered, and remember, one of the first hijacking events by the PLO (Leila Kahlid ? ) was to take 3 aircraft to the Jordanian desert, a Boeing 707, a Convair 880 and a VC-10.

None left.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:16
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Sheep Guts is convinced it is still off Vietnam. Is any of the radar tracking data and vector changes on airway intersections that are now being supported by various agencies not sinking in yet ? It seems well documented , or are they totally off base ? I know where my bets are.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:23
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Elka Athina

Originally Posted by PortVale
In actual news, any update from the ELKA ATHINA?
Are there any sources for a report of the sighting?
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:27
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Elka Athena
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In actual news, any update from the ELKA ATHINA?
Are there any sources for a report of the sighting?
This report seems to have dropped of the scope. No update and not taken up by any news agency.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:34
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ELKA ATHENA

Google translation:
Newsbeast.gr | ?????? : ?? «ELKA Athina» ??? ???????? ??????????? ??? Boeing


Neither the Greek ship, nor other sail boats found traces of the fatal flight

Not found eventually Greek freighter «ELKA Athina» in the Straits of Malacca traces of the fatal Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines that disappeared eight days ago.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:36
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Yes - With the transponder we would expect another signal ½ second later and we didn't get it.
But we don't know when the next ACARS message was to be expected.
You seem to be under the impression that only 1 single system transmits through ACARS. That is not correct.

The actual experts almost certainly know when the next transmission was expected and/or when it itself sent a message saying it was being logged off (and we know this time too - they told us when it was; 1:06)

... And moving on to the post you were replying to ...

I think people are forgetting the far eastern face saving culture. They have locked themselves into a spiral which is rapidly disappearing up their own fundaments.

I posted it before, there are only TWO facts:

1. Where the transponder transmitted last
2. Where the ACARS last transmitted.

Anything else cannot be proven yet!!!!!
I will not argue with you over what the actual facts are as I am not sure you will ever concede something you don't want to hear could ever be a fact. However, I will address your two bullets

1 - The Transponder last transmitted at the Malaysia/Vietnam handover location at 1:21

2 - ACARS last transmitted somewhere along the 40 Degree line at 8:11

...hence everyone knowing for a fact the plane didn't go down at ~1:30, and that the ACARS system wasn't "destroyed in a catastrophic event" like so many others are obsessively insisting - merely the VHF (and possibly/likely HF) connections of the ACARS were disabled; the Satalite connection was still functioning (and is the reason we have the pings)

I will also like to add that at least the actual experts (now) running this investigation obviously have some freakin common sense, as this part of it isn't exactly very difficult to understand. It is beyond sad (and really quite alarming, honestly) that so many here seem completely unable to grasp such a simple reality though.
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:37
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ELT

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Exsp....If the aircraft has landed deliberately on some secret airstrip, highly unlikely I guess, then it woudn't activate and the same reason as above would apply

There are 2 portable ELT in the cabin plus those in any rafts. Not sure if this ac had life rafts in the stowage. Also in the slide rafts but difficult, (not impossible) to get.
My understanding was that ELTs had automatic function -other than manual, impact and water. Could someone deactivate all, including fixed ELT near tail?

Secondly, does Cospas-Sarsat monitor the southern Indian Ocean area?
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strake said

I think Occam's Razor comes into play and that would suggest the wreckage of the aircraft is at the bottom of the sea within a few hundred miles of where it was lost on radar. It just hasn't been found yet.
So your "Occam's Razor" conclusion is...

- Absolutely all the hard tech data being used by some of the greatest minds Governments and the Planes Builders employe is just all wrong
- It is really in the 30-75 Meters deep water that 14 Countries searched for 8 days without finding even a seat cushion
, let alone a 777 wing

Have I summarized your position pretty well?

Now compare that to the actual Experts theory

- People who knew what they were doing did what they knew how to do


I'm sorry, but we shouldn't even be having to argue this; your argument is flat out asinine and it is being presented to counter an unbelievably simple explanation that all the actual experts seem to agree on
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Old 17th Mar 2014, 00:39
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I have just now posted high-resolution visible satellite sectors for the eastern Indian Ocean between 0000 and 0200 UTC. This is the highest resolution data I have access to and is just barely within the range of being able to detect contrails. I have applied an enhancement curve that specifically brings out early morning contrast.

High-res visible sectors for Southeast Indian Ocean - 8 March 2014 - Weather Graphics

I don't know if this will have any practical value for finding the plane and I foresee people seeing all kinds of patterns in this data and perhaps even the face on Mars. But in my view it's better having more data out there rather than nothing at all. I do suggest treating all signatures as nothing conclusive and checking what you see against FR24 archives. This is provided as-is.

Most of the region is covered by marine-layer stratocumulus and will be similar in nature to the cloud layers that occur off the California coast in summertime. Unfortunately this region is subsident with fairly dry air, so contrails will generally not be seen here for planes below FL390.

If anyone sees anything definitive, I will locate it on my software and provide an exact lat/long coordinate set, but as I have a lot of other things going on, my time to explore this set is very limited. Feel free to copy the images, make animations, repost, or however you prefer to use the data.

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