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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:17
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I think you may find crew oxy has 3 selections, Normal, 100%, and Emergency. Pax oxy is via oxygen generators, duration 12 minutes, once activated. Crew oxy is supplied by actual oxygen bottles, duration depending on configuration, but usually oxy endurance runs into several hours.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:18
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My favourite post so far is the one a few pages back that said "there's nothing complex or elaborate about his home flight sim setup".

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Yeah. Looks pretty standard to me.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:22
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Originally Posted by 510orbust
Barrel Owl - Push heading select dial the knob to your intended track and the aircraft turns, not sure if this is your question, used daily on every flight for vectors to avoid climbing or descending aircraft or delaying vectors
Correct, if you push HDG, this overrides the current flight plan stored in the FMC and the aircraft simply turns to the new selected track. But this also results in the aircraft following now the pilot's inputs, not the FMC. See my point?
Then, two questions:

1. If the FMC had been pre-programmed to follow to VAMPI after IGARI, as reported here, then why did the aircraft clearly turned right, as headed for BITOD?
2. If the cockpit intended to hijack the aircraft after IGARI and make a straight left-turn following navigation points in manual without following the original flight plan stored in the FMC, then why should they care to insert a change in the FMC after IGARI?

Sorry, but this report that the left turn had been pre-programmed in the FMC and reported in the ACARS log before 1:07 makes no sense to me.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:28
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
barrel_owl,

Simples, the airway was loaded in the FMS, containing IGARI, BITOD....to Beijing. The FMS commanded the turn from 025 to 040 to follow the FMS plan; someone loads VAMPI,o follow BITOD, and makes VAMPI the new active waypoint, the plane turns westward into oblivion.

Isn't this the Professional PILOTS Rumor Network?

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You can change the flight plan and add new waypoints at any time. Now, if your theory is that VAMPI was loaded just after the aircraft had reached IGARI and was following to BITOD (right before disappearing from radar at 1:21 MYT), how could the last ACARS log report such change in the flight plan at 1:07?
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:33
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Or programmed a course correction to 40 degrees THEN left?

But I see the good point.

Here is the ABC NEWS quote reported extensively:

"Adding to the intrigue, ABC News reported that the dramatic left turn was preprogrammed into the plane's navigation computer. It's a task that would have required extensive piloting experience.

Two senior law enforcement officials also told ABC that new information revealed the plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it disappeared from radar. CNN was unable to confirm these reports."

??
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:36
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Adding to my theory it was shot down
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:37
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Originally Posted by rigbyrigz
Or programmed a course correction to 40 degrees THEN left?

But I see the good point.
It is refreshing that someone finally sees my point. Thank you.

Here is the ABC NEWS quote reported extensively:

"Adding to the intrigue, ABC News reported that the dramatic left turn was preprogrammed into the plane's navigation computer. It's a task that would have required extensive piloting experience.

Two senior law enforcement officials also told ABC that new information revealed the plane performed "tactical evasion maneuvers" after it disappeared from radar. CNN was unable to confirm these reports."
Exactly, another unconfirmed and unverified "report" which holds no water.

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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:37
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Yes. "Unable" means unable. So, please, would you cool down for a while on wild theories. We're talking about 239 souls.Thanks.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:38
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On 777 oxygen generators are not use for the pax. For the passengers on the 777, O2 are off a gaseous ring main which comprise of 12 to 16, 115cu bottles in the aft cargo bay sidewall. The flight crew has their own 115 cu bottle in the MEC

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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:39
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Originally Posted by gazumped
I think you may find crew oxy has 3 selections, Normal, 100%, and Emergency.
If this is standard, I expect this is:

Normal - oxygen/air mix to maintain at equivalent to 10,000ft.

100% - no air mix in the event of loss of cabin pressure - 2mm overpressure to ensure a good supply

Emergency - 4mm pressure in the event of smoke and fumes. It is not true pressure breathing which would be up to 30mm.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:40
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Would be great if you could see a summary of the actual facts on these 242 pages of posts.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:40
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Every flight simulator enthusiast with good add-on have sufficient knowledge to reprogram fms with new waipoints.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:43
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Associated Press Misinformation

Here is an example of the foolishness of the media in reporting on this matter. The Associated Press at 03/16/2014 12:14 am EDT says:

“The third indication is that that after the transponder was turned off and civilian radar lost track of the plane, Malaysian military radar was able to continue to track the plane as it turned west.
The plane was then tracked along a known flight route across the peninsula until it was several hundred miles (kilometers) offshore and beyond the range of military radar.”

What drivel. IGARI to VAMPI to GIVAL is hardly “a known flight route.” All you have to do is look at the aeronautical chart of the area to see that these waypoints are not connected by any airway. We can talk about GIVAL to IGREX by way of MAPSO and DUKUN on P628 but the bottom line is that the AP is full of it and adds to the confusion of the public.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:45
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SARSAT/коспас seems not to have been mentioned. Why wouldn't it be able to pick up the 406 MHz ELT in a 777 were one to go off?
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:47
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Below Radar?

The aircraft COULD have gone below radar afterpassing IGARI, but then the range would have been decreased at low altitude.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:48
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Bunk. I repeat it for you alone : Would you please cool down for a while on wild theories. We're talking about 239 souls. Thanks.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:48
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Originally Posted by harrogate
My favourite post so far is the one a few pages back that said "there's nothing complex or elaborate about his home flight sim setup".

http://www.sharelor.net/uploads/2/6/...63978_orig.jpg

Yeah. Looks pretty standard to me.
It's still almost certainly only FS with pmdg 777 add-on. The only difference is that he has a few monitors spread out (frankly I've seen better!) - it's not as glam as all that but has some attempt to making it spatially more accurate
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:49
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MH370

Amazing that they are searching as far away as Kazakhstan, with several dangerous flyover areas, and not considering one of 3 airbases in S.E. Iran that has long runways and large hangars.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:50
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'Fanatical' missing Malaysia Airlines plane pilot pictured wearing political T-shirt | Mail Online

"It has also been revealed that the pilot's wife and three children moved out of the family home the day before the plane went missing."

Does anyone know if this has been confirmed or reported from another source?
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 21:53
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I'd take anything the DM says with a grain of salt - or a hundred grains.
Just the spin on that article when I read it a few hours ago was enough
to put me off, truth or no truth. They are character assassinating the pilot
with no real facts.
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