Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost
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The UK, USA and Russia have submaries capable of staying out there for many months at a time, not sure how long the recorders can transmit for but I suspect the search will go on for a long time yet, officially or unofficially.
short flights long nights
Recorders will only ping for 30 days, and it already been missing for 9 days.
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I'd suggest if there are no real developments in the next few days the international search assistance will reduce considerably. Most of the countries would have had time to get some updated aerial surveillance/intel of the area and contribute to the search effort. The fuel and resources are going to add up and with no new intel + the work done to date + satellite imagery, etc. there aren't good signs of it being found at the moment.
I'm sure digitalglobe could get some coverage there and use automated software/crowdsourcing to cover a bigger area over time.
As someone put earlier, the longer SAR goes on, the longer it takes to find something.
I'm sure digitalglobe could get some coverage there and use automated software/crowdsourcing to cover a bigger area over time.
As someone put earlier, the longer SAR goes on, the longer it takes to find something.
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Press conference just told that something that seems to contradict idea that there was a signal indicating ACARS manually switched off. Just said that ACARS failed to report from 1:07am and especially at about 1:37am when it was due to report.
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Did I hear they based the famous "arcs" on minimum and maximum speed?
But... what about being landed? Minimum speed is 0! I wonder how long a airplane would float. I seem to remember from the Hudson-ditching that they will float for quite some time, or was it just that they moored it quickly? Also, I guess batteries etc might get a bit waterlogged...
But... what about being landed? Minimum speed is 0! I wonder how long a airplane would float. I seem to remember from the Hudson-ditching that they will float for quite some time, or was it just that they moored it quickly? Also, I guess batteries etc might get a bit waterlogged...
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There has been mention of RMAF F-16s, only it appears their small but diverse fleet of combat aircraft includes Sukhoi Su-30s, F/A-18Ds and some Mig-29s. As recently as last year a sum of US$100 million was allocated to improving the Su-30s combat readiness from 65-70percent to 80percent or more.
Such data suggests the RMAF takes its role as providing aerial defence and airspace dominance of Malaysian airspace and territory seriously.
Such data suggests the RMAF takes its role as providing aerial defence and airspace dominance of Malaysian airspace and territory seriously.
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Press also just told that the gaps in the 40 degree circle are from speed calculations.
I assumed that they were because of overlap with the other INMARSATs.
So it does seem possible that the plane ended up in the South China Sea, or Java at 8:11am as long as it went around in zig zags for 6 hours before hand.
I assumed that they were because of overlap with the other INMARSATs.
So it does seem possible that the plane ended up in the South China Sea, or Java at 8:11am as long as it went around in zig zags for 6 hours before hand.
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Did I hear correct the MAS offical say the following?
Final ACAS transmitted at 1:07
Pilot's final words to ATC saying "aright, goodnight...." at 1:19
ACAS sends reports at 30 min interval so it would've been before 1:37
As such ACAS got tuned off within 30mins of 1:07 ie. 1:07 - 1:37 so could be after
As such no confirmation that ACAS was switched off before Pilot's final words.
Final ACAS transmitted at 1:07
Pilot's final words to ATC saying "aright, goodnight...." at 1:19
ACAS sends reports at 30 min interval so it would've been before 1:37
As such ACAS got tuned off within 30mins of 1:07 ie. 1:07 - 1:37 so could be after
As such no confirmation that ACAS was switched off before Pilot's final words.
Press conference STILL a shambles. Better than the initial ones, but still shambolic. Also with journo questions: better but still poor.
E.g. why no .ppt presentation setting out facts?; flashing up a couple of A4-sized images for a second or two; no mics for journo questions => they are hard to hear; journo: "do you hold out any hope that aircraft is still intact"; ...
Just revealed under journo questioning that:
- ACARS may in fact have been switched off AFTER last VHF comms
- these location arcs are based on minimum and maximum 777 speed from last recorded position; this seems odd as there is clearly the possibility that the aircraft can turn; so I would infer that the two arcs should therefore be one continuous one?
E.g. why no .ppt presentation setting out facts?; flashing up a couple of A4-sized images for a second or two; no mics for journo questions => they are hard to hear; journo: "do you hold out any hope that aircraft is still intact"; ...
Just revealed under journo questioning that:
- ACARS may in fact have been switched off AFTER last VHF comms
- these location arcs are based on minimum and maximum 777 speed from last recorded position; this seems odd as there is clearly the possibility that the aircraft can turn; so I would infer that the two arcs should therefore be one continuous one?
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KL press conference today
No new change really from press conference.
the 2 iranian suspects had already been checked out and china had pax list. M'sia has asked China to look at them again.
Australia apparently going to take charge of most of Southern corridor.
France joining investigation team because of their expertise re AF442.
Northern corridor countries report a blank on their radar - however we have no idea how alert they were on the Saturday night red eye shift and therefore if that blank is true!
No doubt MH370's tale is unprecedented and therefore all bets are still on.
Above all, 239 souls are at stake including the perpetrator(s).
the 2 iranian suspects had already been checked out and china had pax list. M'sia has asked China to look at them again.
Australia apparently going to take charge of most of Southern corridor.
France joining investigation team because of their expertise re AF442.
Northern corridor countries report a blank on their radar - however we have no idea how alert they were on the Saturday night red eye shift and therefore if that blank is true!
No doubt MH370's tale is unprecedented and therefore all bets are still on.
Above all, 239 souls are at stake including the perpetrator(s).
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-03-1...utdown/5325816
Updated 23 minutes ago
Video: Australia to lead southern Indian Ocean search for missing MH370 (Photo: ADF) (7pm TV News NSW)
Photo: An Australian pilot in an AP-3C Orion patrol plane scans the surface of the sea west of Peninsula Malaysia for the missing plane. (ADF: Cameron Jamieson)
External Link: Boeing engineer explains three scenarios for missing flight MH370
Map: Malaysia
Updated 23 minutes ago
Video: Australia to lead southern Indian Ocean search for missing MH370 (Photo: ADF) (7pm TV News NSW)
Photo: An Australian pilot in an AP-3C Orion patrol plane scans the surface of the sea west of Peninsula Malaysia for the missing plane. (ADF: Cameron Jamieson) External Link: Boeing engineer explains three scenarios for missing flight MH370
Map: Malaysia
Australia has been handed control of the southern Indian Ocean search for missing jet MH370, after investigators revealed someone broadcast "good night" from the cockpit after the plane's tracking systems were switched off.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Question Time today that along with assuming responsibility for the "southern vector" search, Australia has also committed more resources to the operation.
Prime Minister Tony Abbott told Question Time today that along with assuming responsibility for the "southern vector" search, Australia has also committed more resources to the operation.
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However, I'm sure some quick checking on actual aircraft movements into SIP very early on the 8th would soon eliminate any doubts, or confirm what they saw.
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Yes, we now have news media reporting that the Malaysians are saying the turn was "Pre-programmed". What they aren't aren't saying is how they know this.
I fly the B777 and I can't think of a way for anyone to know what was programmed on the FMC of MH 370.
Some airlines can upload a flight plan directly to the aircraft, but even so, the pilot has to request the upload and activate the route.
This just seems to me like more bad information and more bad media reporting.
I fly the B777 and I can't think of a way for anyone to know what was programmed on the FMC of MH 370.
Some airlines can upload a flight plan directly to the aircraft, but even so, the pilot has to request the upload and activate the route.
This just seems to me like more bad information and more bad media reporting.
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I think the 'Minimum Speed' is it's Minimum 'Clean' Speed Vref30+80 on the B757 & 767. 'Maximum Speed' would be Mmo (Max. Mach Operating no.). Quite a mileage difference over 7 hours between M0.78 (e.g) & M0.86 (e.g)
Can any B777 Pilots on here suggested a Range/ Endrance improvement figure for flying at Cost Index 0 in ECON?
Can any B777 Pilots on here suggested a Range/ Endrance improvement figure for flying at Cost Index 0 in ECON?
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Yes, we now have news media reporting that the Malaysians are saying the turn was "Pre-programmed". What they aren't aren't saying is how they know this.
I fly the B777 and I can't think of a way for anyone to know what was programmed on the FMC of MH 370.
Some airlines can upload a flight plan directly to the aircraft, but even so, the pilot has to request the upload and activate the route.
This just seems to me like more bad information and more bad media reporting.
Perhaps you should read the FANS Operations Manual. If a waypoint is inserted and activated in the active route a Waypoint Change Event Report is triggered in ACARS.
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Originally Posted by Lost in Saigon View Post
Yes, we now have news media reporting that the Malaysians are saying the turn was "Pre-programmed". What they aren't aren't saying is how they know this.
I fly the B777 and I can't think of a way for anyone to know what was programmed on the FMC of MH 370.
Some airlines can upload a flight plan directly to the aircraft, but even so, the pilot has to request the upload and activate the route.
This just seems to me like more bad information and more bad media reporting.
Perhaps you should read the FANS Operations Manual. If a waypoint is inserted and activated in the active route a Waypoint Change Event Report is triggered in ACARS.
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I think the 'Minimum Speed' is it's Minimum 'Clean' Speed Vref30+80 on the B757 & 767. 'Maximum Speed' would be Mmo (Max. Mach Operating no.). Quite a mileage difference over 7 hours between M0.78 (e.g) & M0.86 (e.g)
Can any B777 Pilots on here suggested a Range/ Endrance improvement figure for flying at Cost Index 0 in ECON?
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I think the 'Minimum Speed' is it's Minimum 'Clean' Speed Vref30+80 on the B757 & 767. 'Maximum Speed' would be Mmo (Max. Mach Operating no.). Quite a mileage difference over 7 hours between M0.78 (e.g) & M0.86 (e.g)
Can any B777 Pilots on here suggested a Range/ Endrance improvement figure for flying at Cost Index 0 in ECON?
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Agree that the latest press conference was disingenuous at best. It seems that they are suggesting that the ACARS was turned off prior to the last VHF call from the aircraft.....made by the FO. This would suggest they are trying to say either
a. the Captain and FO are both implicit in all this, or
b. the Captain had already been 'silenced'
The fact that the FO was alive and speaking on the radio AFTER the initial 'disturbing actions' seem to have taken place suggests he was involved...
p.s either they are suggesting the FO is the man in the spotlight, or they really are completely incompetent and are just throwing speculation to the wind in the pressers. Considering the information that has obviously NOT been released in previous pressers one can really only assume it's the former.
a. the Captain and FO are both implicit in all this, or
b. the Captain had already been 'silenced'
The fact that the FO was alive and speaking on the radio AFTER the initial 'disturbing actions' seem to have taken place suggests he was involved...
p.s either they are suggesting the FO is the man in the spotlight, or they really are completely incompetent and are just throwing speculation to the wind in the pressers. Considering the information that has obviously NOT been released in previous pressers one can really only assume it's the former.