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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:52
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for the record, the incident I inserted the link to was 3 years ago and CNN is not currently calling it involved with the current 777 missing.

let's all settle down and recall that just last week an official of the malaysian govt said the plane disintegrated in flight and that was what was being investigated
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Maybe it has been refuelled and is now nowhere near where it first went to
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:54
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The Telegraph is reporting
Malaysian Airlines MH370: aircraft may have been on ground when last signals sent
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10700892/Malaysia-Airlines-MH370-plane-crash-live.html but I see nothing tangible to support that and I suppose on the ground does not mean intact.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:54
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Reading the background of the two Pilots:

MH370: profile of missing Malaysian Airline plane's pilots starts to emerge - Telegraph

None of them had any reason to throw away his life let alone to take 238 people with along. That simply does not add up.
Any info about outsized life insurance?

I do not buy it that one of the two are involved in a plot.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:57
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I do wonder how long it will take CNN to read pprune and replay the incident they covered 3 years ago, per the link
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:58
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Has it been verified that one of the last contacts signed off with the words "Roger that"? If so, then the investigators need to question as many crew as possible that flew with the Captain and FO to ascertain if they ever used those words. IF NOT, then I would investigate the individual who had flight sim training and see if he was taught or used these words in training.
Some have discussed in this thread -- and many more have discussed elsewhere, including in the lamestream media -- MAS370's last words to ATC. On one level, unless it was "Allahu akhbar!" or "Mayday, Mayday, Mayday!" who cares?

The two versions I've heard are either "Roger that," as quoted above, or "Alright, good night." Either phrase can be completely normal for a professional flight crew member to use, depending on what ATC said to engender the response.

Until we get a full/complete transcript of ATC comms, we don't know what was said by Malaysian ATC other than some version of "Contact Vietnam on such-and-such a frequency."
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 17:59
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Comment on 777's (and other passenger liners) not flying formation in 3, 2, 1 ...
I actually have flown formation an airliner (DC-8 with a Gulfstream, with an F-18 and then again with a C-130, and a 747 with an F-18) and have been requested by ATC for one of us to squawk STBY. Same request with a flight of two or three in little airplanes.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:02
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The aircraft is somewhere not too far from its last KNOWN position.
I could not agree more. Somewhere on the "red" 40 degree arc. Either in the ocean or in china.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:10
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So, having been reading (and very occasionally posting) since the outset, it appears that these detected ACARS 'pings' are the definitive article, the 11th tablet of stone and thus an eternal truth? These signals to a satellite are 110% reliable data? ... and the lack of any information on previous pings should be regarded as unimportant, or potentially disturbing a pre-conceived idea?

In consequence all other possibilities are to be discarded, because these 'pings' are deemed so absolute that no other feasible options can be considered?

I earnestly hope that the subsequent investigation will be more rigorous.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:16
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Originally Posted by dmba
It's been reported that his wife and children moved out of the house on March 6th...may or may not be true but it is certainly something that can affect people's state of mind
It has been reported. Where? Who? Who verified the report? Not you, for sure.
At least four or five out of your 22 posts suggest foul play by the cockpit, all based on unverified reports and information. Just because the media said so, it does not mean it is so.
Tell me. Are you obsessed with pilots in general or is it part of your agenda to destroy the reputation of these two people?
Don't worry, anyway. I am sure this post will be deleted, but yours will be kept for the world to see.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:19
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Better to give pilots more psychological checks.
Well, yes, I imagine that may help in some cases...

BUT - unfortunately there is no reliable test for sanity.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:22
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Diego Garcia

Large new permanent and fabric hangars at Diego Garcia, big enough for B52s - Google Earth, 2014 imagery.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:24
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If (big if) it turns out that one of the pilots or crew committed an act of murder/suicide, and it wasn't a political act, we need to be very careful about what that means or what we should do about it. Despite the publicity these events generate, mass murder is exceedingly rare.

So far we have avoided putting security inspection into malls, theaters, schools (mostly), and I would hope that common sense can prevail here.

There are usually no conclusions to be drawn in these events. To quote the New Yorker: The problem with generalities about mass murderers is that the sample size is tiny, and most die before they can be examined. Almost half of all mass murderers commit suicide in the act, and many others are killed by police.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:25
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It has been reported. Where? Who? Who verified the report? Not you, for sure.
At least four or five out of your 22 posts suggest foul play by the cockpit, all based on unverified reports and information. Just because the media said so, it does not mean it is so.
Tell me. Are you obsessed with pilots in general or is it part of your agenda to destroy the reputation of these two people?
Don't worry, anyway. I am sure this post will be deleted, but yours will be kept for the world to see.
Calm down. Investigation is underway. Leaks can happen but as the subject of your angry reply had said, may or may not be true. By the way, hipothsis are about one pilot's actions, not two. And finding truth is more important that preserving reputation, hope you will agree.

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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:25
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As with the AF447 saga, there are some very bright and well-informed people both on this excellent blog and involved in the search, analysis and information release. I have great faith that all of the obvious scenarios are under intense scrutiny, but have laid in a bunch more popcorn.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:26
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There's a movie about such a scenario:

Fate Is The Hunter

Not at all like the book...
From the imdb link posted in the earlier message, on the 'Trivia' page:

Although Ernest K. Gann, who wrote book on which film was based, later claimed he was reportedly so unhappy with film that he demanded his name be removed, his name does indeed appear in credits as author of source material.
Similarly, Tom Wolfe disowned the movie version of 'The Right Stuff'.

However, the threat of a liquid spill in the cockpit is very real in my view (though not necessarily a player with MH 370). Some crewmembers insist on using the center console for a dining table, drink tray and reading desk all at the same time. Bulletins about passing drinks outboard to folks in the pilot seats have been issued for at least two decades, probably longer.

There are drip guards and such to protect the avionics under the flight deck but I still wince at that tall cup of Starbucks precariously perched on buttons next to the, uh, transponder control head and engine fuel cutoffs.

One thing verified by the latest press conference in K.L. is that MAS ran the profile of MH 370 in the company simulator to see how it fit with the reported data.

Also, the arcs of probability from the last Inmarsat ping were independently verified by both the Brits and the Americans according to the acting transport minister.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:27
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Actually I'm commenting on developing events instead of focusing on things that have been ruled out.

I certainly haven't created anything. I have no vested interest in either protecting pilots or in slating them without any thought.

It may be a bitter pill to swallow that 'one of your own' may be the culprit.

I apologise if this is too difficult for you to stomach and I'd be happy to sit back and watch some desperately scrounge around for technical fault reasons that will, in the end, have had nothing to do with this...

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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:31
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Those hangars on DG on Google Earth don't look big enough even for the B-52's parked right next to them.
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:38
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US intelligence fears the plane may have landed somewhere to be used later as a 9/11-

US intelligence fears the plane may have landed somewhere to be used later as a 9/11-style "cruise missile".

Missing Plane 'May Have Sent Signals On Ground'
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Old 16th Mar 2014, 18:41
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Admittedly the Malaysian military radar operators did not bring their top game to the 0 dark 30 shift -- and yes, targeting assets to the T7 when it was still in range might have shed more light on the situation.

But remember that an interceptor has limited range and would have to head back home for gas.

Something with longer range would have to be dispatched, but most maritime patrol aircraft are turboprops and at best could only hope to pick up a blip receding at max range. However an interceptor or patrol aircraft might possibly have given us a track to work from.

With that track, other countries could have been put on a timely alert along with some indication of where the T7 would be.

The SAR authorities have been doing their best with very limited information. It took several days for the engineers to develop arcs from the 8:11 ping.

Perhaps it takes that much more time to work out arcs from the earlier pings, but yes, we would like to see all of them. Once those arcs are produced, there's a bunch more work to work out possible courses. It would not surprise me if some heavily caffeinated programmers are busy developing and testing code.

On a personal note, I had once developed some code to speed up transaction rates in a pseudo-reentrant environment. The first test in a single thread environment worked and I went off on an extended weekend to hear on return from my supervisor that my new code was in production.

I immediately told him that the multi thread test had not been done. We held our breath waiting to see if Data Control found the transaction counts off at the end of the day.

They did not complain -- because the person who did the check was off work. A few days later customers began complaining that their deposits had been lost. A few seeing that their large withdrawal had not been posted helped themselves to the extra money and were not seen again

Lots of holes in the Swiss cheese anytime there's a complex human endeavor.
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