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Malaysian Airlines MH370 contact lost

Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:11
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Originally Posted by Tex37
RR must receive many thousands of ACARS per day and only irregularities would be flagged up.
Do RR actually know which airframe the engines are fitted to or does it just send the serial number followed by mx message?
If this is the case then assuming the engines were functioning normally then nothing would have appeared abnormal and maybe RR have only just been asked for data?
An airliner going AWOL is about as irregular as it gets. Taking four days to request/gather possibly elementary data would constitute a monumental negligence.

As has been said, there must be MUCH more to this disappearance than is publicly known. Time will tell.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:13
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MAS official disputes RR data showing MH370 flew on for four hours | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online
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MAS official disputes RR data showing MH370 flew on for four hours

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KUALA LUMPUR, March 13 A Malaysia Airlines spokesman today contested reports that Rolls Royce received bursts of engine information from missing flight MH370, insisting that the data link was severed the same moment the plane dropped off civilian radar. - See more at: MAS official disputes RR data showing MH370 flew on for four hours | Malaysia | The Malay Mail Online
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:16
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Any connection or inference that can be drawn:
No; for this reason:

"At 9:02 pm the aircraft suddenly shattered the speed of sound, traveled at 1,352 km/h"

And regarding "MAS official disputes...":

These guys need communication coaching. Surely they must be in a position to state clearly whether the engine ACARS signals are transmitted only to themselves, or not.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:27
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Day 6 Press Conference in 5 minutes...
Live TV | Astro Awani

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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:31
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Originally Posted by andrasz
it was suggested by an apparently knowledgeable source that only two packets of data were received by RR, one after take off, the other nearing TOC, pretty much in line with transponder data.
Given that anyone can receive and decode ACARs, even if MAS think they are the only source of truth about its reception, they clearly are not.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:38
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Just saying, given the fact that RR received engine data for 5hrs of flight, while Malaysia Airlines presumably assumed it's B777 flew for only about an hour, I can assure you that those real-time engine data are obtained/accessible to both Malaysia Airlines engine's department of engineering as well as RR.

It is just unclear how, on the 5th day of searching, that they decided to check engine data, both from RR and Malaysia Airlines (who are apparently opposing that 5hrs engine flight data that RR is saying to have obtained). All I am saying is, there is a lot not being told.

p.s. What are they saying at the press conference? I don't have access where I am..
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:41
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Everyone is speculating about why RR and/or Boeing didn't report the ACARS messages right away. Please consider the likely possibility that they did report it right away to their national security services in the UK and/or US. When these security services were notified, they must have considered the very real scenario that a plane has gone completely missing and has flown for several hours without any communication. Their primary interests at that point are going to be to quietly ascertain as much information as possible about that plane and its intentions/possibilities/potential whereabouts and act accordingly. They would want to do so prior to telling the world that they have acquired all this data.

I bet if the ACARS showed a normal looking descent or shut down event (i.e. a landing), we won't know about it for some time. It leaves the baddies thinking we still don't know if they survived or where they might be. Not to mention telling the world there's a plane in rogue hands could spark false alarms and panic.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:42
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Briefely:

* Engine data is 'inaccurate'
* Chinese satellite photo was released by 'accident' and nothing found in that area.
* Malaysia is accepting all help from any one offering, they are not hiding anything.
* Military radar data released to China and USA
* Last ACARS transmission at 1.07am local time, nothing else after that.
* Boeing and RR have not recieved any data.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:43
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the fact that RR received engine data for 5hrs of flight
Is that really a "fact"?

The idea that RR would leak engine information seems difficult to credit.

That a "Malaysian Airlines executive" who's lost a large airplane can know more about engine data transmission than RR is preposterous.

The report in a post above that RR received two bits of information from the aircraft at take off and top of climb smells much more realistic.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:44
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They said categorically no ACARS transmissions after 1.07 local.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:50
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Live Press Briefing

My take on the press briefing taking place live (09.40 GMT) is that the official verbal statement seems honest, open and clear. He has dispelled the "engine data" rumours as not true, also that the Chinese satellite photos were released in error. In any case a Malaysian aircraft dispatched to search the area found nothing. He said they were duty bound to search the Malacca straights area because of the 'possibility' of evidence that the aircraft had turned back; nevertheless he said their main search area remained to the east of Malaysia. He also said they had accepted all offers of help from other nations, and particularly referred to the FAA and NTSB assistance they were receiving. Briefing Q & As continue.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:51
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What can I say having just watched the debacle of the news conference, it is clear that the Malaysian Authorities are in over their abilities and it's starting to fall apart. Sense of panic on their faces. A very sorry and unacceptable state of affairs for those awaiting news of kin.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:52
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Chinese 'leak' was the result of an individual action, not sanctioned by China. This individual is now under investigation.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:58
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Clarification ACARS can be programmed to report on events & or time.

Events like Takeoff, TOC (Top of climb), reach waypoint
Time e.g. every 30mins

OR if an abnormality occurs...

The ACARS report at 1:07am local time indicated no issues with the aircraft.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 09:59
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'sense of panic' ? not sure you have watched the same press conference. As the minister said, this is an 'unprecedented situation' (in the modern age any way). If journalists/others have been propagating unchecked rumours and wasting everyones time then maybe some self examination should be performed later.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 10:00
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I think the truth is probably the simplest solution.

I expect the a/c suffered something sudden and catastrophic close to LKP.
Debris has not been found because it ditched and no large floating debris broke off at this time. Eventually smaller pieces will be found or wash up in Vietnam.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 10:02
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Press Conference in a Nutshell

43 ships and 40 a/c searching (26/25 in S China Sea, 17/15 in Malacca Straits). Some key points to clarify ...

1 Reports of a/c continuing to fly for some time after its last transmission are "inaccurate" - and specifically Boeing and RR agree they are "inaccurate"

2 SAR assets couldn't find anything at the position of the Chinese satellite image and the Chinese Embassy has since said the image was released by mistake

3 A/c had been fully serviced and up to date with FAA ADs, was fit to fly and all maintenance checks were in order. Last routine maintenance on 23Feb14

4 Have a duty to investigate any possibilities, eg radar track in Straits of Malacca, however main effort has always been in S China Sea.
FAA and NTSB agree reasonable grounds to investigate turnback to the western side of Malaysian peninsular

5 On release of raw data, they wish to corroborate data before release, eg radar tracks west of planned route, doing so too early could add anguish to relatives, Malaysia has nothing to hide and is sparing no expense

6 Reports that the flight crew's homes have been searched are not true.

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Old 13th Mar 2014, 10:03
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Originally Posted by SRMman
Categoric reiteration at the press briefing that at the point when they lost contact with the aircraft (at 1.07) there was no data subsequently received by Boeing or Rolls Royce.
No the ACARS does not report constantly, it reports on events....The last ACARS was 1:07am but the last signal at all from the aircraft was 1:22am.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 10:04
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Seems almost all the information is bad. And it's coming from sources that ought to be credible. A lot of contradictions and back tracking. Zero leads. I'm finding it hard to swallow. Something's rotten.

We'll see if the WSJ stands behind their article or it vanishes as quickly as the plane did.
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Old 13th Mar 2014, 10:04
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ACARS does not equal transponder so what you see on FR24 is not ACARS data.
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