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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:10
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best to view it in firefox tis a bit buggy.
but does seem to show it stopping short of the runway
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Hopefully ICAO will someday establish a global safety rating system for airlines.

Similar to your cars safety star rating. Punters will be able to consider something more important than just the lowest fares. If an airline is already banned from the EU then it gives a little heads up already.

(And maybe a little less idle chatter on guard on approach to DPS now?)
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:14
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Landing Gear position...

In order to keep the structure kind of intact....would it be necessary to retract the landing gear prior to impact ?????
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:17
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Thumbs down Bali Prang.

Can anyone come up with a reason as to why the aicrraft is pointing to seaward? Must be 09. Don't pilots know when they have F#*ked up and simply go around.

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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:19
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...because it pivoted around its (damaged) right winglet?
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:26
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Video of crash site
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 11:43
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How they get Leasing and/or finance plus somebody to insure them is beyond me. And as for the regulator - would love to know they keep operating
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:00
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BBC Footage:

BBC News - All survive after jet lands in sea off Bali Indonesia
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:01
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I have a colleague who couldn't clear the runway after landing in a B738 recently, as the thrust levers just stopped responding.

Still haven't heard the conclusion of the story & no info whatsoever from the company yet.

This seems like just another Lion Air screw up, but I guess we "should" give them the benefit of the doubt just in case
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:05
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Landing short..

Let's say they landed short. At this altitude they would have flown with gear down. How successfull would a water landing be with a landing gear in down position??? So I don't think they landed short with a 100% functioning airplane.

Rumors are out that they have declared an emergency shortly before the accident. On AvHerald they mentioned the similarity from the TK accident in AMS as well. Not so sure about that one.

I think there is a lot of information missing up to now.

@P2Fly: I always thought that even they offer P2Fly - everybody still has to show its flying skills in a simulator in front of a Lyon Captain. Only if this sim assesment is passed...then a pilot can transfer the money... Anybody has some insight in this?

Last but not least....glad that everybody is alive .
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Hopefully ICAO will someday establish a global safety rating system for airlines.

Similar to your cars safety star rating. Punters will be able to consider something more important than just the lowest fares. If an airline is already banned from the EU then it gives a little heads up already.
Agreed - and it would be good to have info on minimum hours requirements for Captain and FO, and whether the airline operates P2F and P2Upgrade...

The FAA have acted with regulation in the US after Colgan. Maybe time for other regulators to follow suit.
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:08
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Stall

Is stall a possibility shortly before the runway as was the Turkish Airlines a few years ago at Schiphols 18R?
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:11
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I actually wrote a post speculating (and, I emphasize, SPECULATING) just that, but decided it was premature.
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:12
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GPWS was last heard saying" don't sink, don't sink"!
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:17
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Originally Posted by Tu.144
Does anybody have access to approach charts for WADD? What approaches are on offer there and what minima?
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Is stall a possibility shortly before the runway as was the Turkish Airlines a few years ago at Schiphols 18R?
My thoughts exactly... Many 738s had that RA issue.

Is 7 crew normal on Lion 737s?
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:22
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VORDME Runway 09. 2.8deg VNAV path. Avherald plot shows time against Flight level. This indicates normal approach, then after mins (479'alt) descended into the undershoot. Reminding me of the A330 accident in Tripoli, however maybe somebody could tell me the position of the sun at 0710z (I think it would be behind). Also if the PAPI/VASI was working?

Thankfully nobody was killed (except hopefully P2F) and the authorities will outlaw this threat to safety.
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:26
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Some talk of emergency declared and pilot not happy about maintenance before departure .
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:31
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Pleased to see all are safe, but I'd like to see some serious questions about this pay to fly airline now raised and this element of the industry in general...

GAPAN/Industry Press/BALPA...whoever...but someone please start the ball rolling on this...golden opportunity to highlight...
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:32
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VOR/DME Runway 09. 2.8deg VNAV path.
VNAV Pressure altimeter setting?
Reported difference from standard approx 170ft = approx 0.6nm ???
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Old 13th Apr 2013, 12:33
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Glad to see all are safe, surely won't be long till one of these wunderkinds plunks an orange or purple one in the English countryside.

We stopped using FR and eJ for ferrying crews/personel as soon as they both started to put 18 year old kids in the right seat. All of the employees of our principals businesses are not allowed to fly eJ and FR at any time.

Both eJ and FR have a great model for shareholders, I just wouldn't trust them as a passenger, and the great ride for the investors will come to an abrupt halt when one of these kids with daddies money feggs it up.

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