BA Cabin Crew Strike Threat
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This is just my opinion before i get hung by the gallery here!!
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I agree with all the opinions about BA crew having it to easy! Come and work at the other airline... or ANY other airline in the UK, we dont all these cushy perks regarding roster disruption etc etc..... many of my good mates work for BA and they have it far to easy..... they get their arses wiped for them every single day!!
You wanna get yourself to one of your sister companies like Connect... see what its like to do a real days work!!
But....
I agree with all the opinions about BA crew having it to easy! Come and work at the other airline... or ANY other airline in the UK, we dont all these cushy perks regarding roster disruption etc etc..... many of my good mates work for BA and they have it far to easy..... they get their arses wiped for them every single day!!
You wanna get yourself to one of your sister companies like Connect... see what its like to do a real days work!!
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What I can find on the DTI site is a MINIMUM of £4000 comp for union activities, with a cap of £58K as compensaton (though im sure I have got info somewhere on no limit, but we will stick to £58K!) and the basic award of £290*years service.
Big sums!
Big sums!
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A great thread so far.
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I think the CC will enjoy support from the general public and many fellow staff, however it appears from reading this thread many pilots are not happy with the CC vote, appears fair enought to me, lets be fair, fair play etc etc.
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Why do the pilots appear so happy with their deal???
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I think the CC will enjoy support from the general public and many fellow staff, however it appears from reading this thread many pilots are not happy with the CC vote, appears fair enought to me, lets be fair, fair play etc etc.
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Why do the pilots appear so happy with their deal???
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BA cc are livin in the past: I admit that in ages gone Aviation was for the rich/wealthy - not anymore. Their prestige jobs are now the norm.
W.W. Has a business to run. And at present the cc wages/ allowances is an obvious one to target to reduce costs. After all he is responsible for running one of the worlds Blue chips companies. The greed of BA cc will be the down fall of "The worlds Favorite Airline" _ If they do not concede to modernization.
In days past BA was the best airline in the world - and a model that all modern airlines have based their product. Not any more - Good luck Mr B, You will never loose your ' Virginity"
After all if BA cc are that disenchanted they can always apply to VAA - Good luck to all the over 30's
W.W. Has a business to run. And at present the cc wages/ allowances is an obvious one to target to reduce costs. After all he is responsible for running one of the worlds Blue chips companies. The greed of BA cc will be the down fall of "The worlds Favorite Airline" _ If they do not concede to modernization.
In days past BA was the best airline in the world - and a model that all modern airlines have based their product. Not any more - Good luck Mr B, You will never loose your ' Virginity"
After all if BA cc are that disenchanted they can always apply to VAA - Good luck to all the over 30's
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Have to agree to some extent with "24HR". The product in Club and especially First is well out of date with almost all other top rank long haul carriers and to make it worse, in my experience only roughly 1 in 3 flights I take could I say the BA CC are happy, cheerful and welcoming.
Other carriers have similar CC morale/attitude problems for sure but BA seems far worse than most. Why - the customer is who's important, pays thousands for these premium seats and also has the power on many routes to switch to a happier environment. WW is running a business, not a flying club, although it really is the Exec Club that keeps most business passengers coming back, not the seats, meals, IFE or prices which are all now well out of kilter with the rest of the market.
Come on, make us proud again - adapt or ....
Other carriers have similar CC morale/attitude problems for sure but BA seems far worse than most. Why - the customer is who's important, pays thousands for these premium seats and also has the power on many routes to switch to a happier environment. WW is running a business, not a flying club, although it really is the Exec Club that keeps most business passengers coming back, not the seats, meals, IFE or prices which are all now well out of kilter with the rest of the market.
Come on, make us proud again - adapt or ....
In absence of a reply regarding my question referring to the Miners, I am reminded of a little ditty :-
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak up for me.
First they came for the Communists, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I didn’t speak up,
because I wasn’t a Jew.
Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn’t speak up,
because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left
to speak up for me.
I Have Control
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Overpaid Obscenely
For the nature and amount of work performed by BA CC, they should be paid approximately 60% of their current remuneration. With caps on upper limits. And as for the total sickness record of BA CC as a group, it beggars belief. No other UK company would allow them to get away with this.
And as a pilot and passenger, I always hope to avoid positioning with BA, primarily because of the unpleasant attitude of the majority of their CC. (Arrogant, workshy, and carrying a superiority complex)
And as a pilot and passenger, I always hope to avoid positioning with BA, primarily because of the unpleasant attitude of the majority of their CC. (Arrogant, workshy, and carrying a superiority complex)
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BA employees live on another planet.
A few weeks (days!) with any other UK airline would be a massive culture shock.
On the other hand, I suppose a few weeks working for BA instead of any other UK airline might lead to strikes in those other airlines, assuming that the likes of
BALPA didn't wimp out!
Such is life's struggle.
A few weeks (days!) with any other UK airline would be a massive culture shock.
On the other hand, I suppose a few weeks working for BA instead of any other UK airline might lead to strikes in those other airlines, assuming that the likes of
BALPA didn't wimp out!Such is life's struggle.
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Agree with the comments but.....
I agree with the sentiments being expressed here but I do object to the use of the word 'paddy'.
'Irish man' would have been quite sufficient - perhaps 'ruthless Irish man' would be even more appropriate.
However, the term 'paddy' is not acceptable.
'Irish man' would have been quite sufficient - perhaps 'ruthless Irish man' would be even more appropriate.
However, the term 'paddy' is not acceptable.
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El Grifo, about the miners.
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The UK has now paid off the 2nd WW debt to the States, but we still paying off the police overtime bill for the way Maggie treated the miners, Maggie not only closed all the pits, she broke many many family units into bitter people.
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The best result will be if all the unions work together, if they split and do own deals for their members long term results will be very poor indeed for all staff, should remember we are in a service industry and we need all staff onside.
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Good luck to all the CC, many other sections will follow your lead.
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Just heard that Dixons have sole out of Video Cams this morning?
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The UK has now paid off the 2nd WW debt to the States, but we still paying off the police overtime bill for the way Maggie treated the miners, Maggie not only closed all the pits, she broke many many family units into bitter people.
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The best result will be if all the unions work together, if they split and do own deals for their members long term results will be very poor indeed for all staff, should remember we are in a service industry and we need all staff onside.
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Good luck to all the CC, many other sections will follow your lead.
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Just heard that Dixons have sole out of Video Cams this morning?
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BA CC Strike
As a frequent Biz traveller BA was always (and still mostly is) my prefered airline.
However i have tried SQ recently (i travel to Singapore every month) and find i can get SQ 1st Class at the same price as BA Club,the service is much much better.
Think the comments regarding the CC attitude and them disappearing during the flight are very valid.
On other airlines this just doesnt happen,if your 4 or 5K for a seat you expect the service to be available during the whole journey and not given with an attitude.
Sorry i dont support you,you are going to ruin a really good airline for greed.
The CC will be replaced over time by eastern european staff and others.
However i have tried SQ recently (i travel to Singapore every month) and find i can get SQ 1st Class at the same price as BA Club,the service is much much better.
Think the comments regarding the CC attitude and them disappearing during the flight are very valid.
On other airlines this just doesnt happen,if your 4 or 5K for a seat you expect the service to be available during the whole journey and not given with an attitude.
Sorry i dont support you,you are going to ruin a really good airline for greed.
The CC will be replaced over time by eastern european staff and others.
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I'm afraid I also believe the BA CC working practices and conditions to be out dated and need to be brought into the real world. Dont forget that even the Waterside staff members have been hit from the top, 50% of senior managers being made redundant and I'm sure it wont stop there. No other cabin crew in the world have the conditions and money that the BA CC enjoy, time to get real!
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I think the CC will enjoy support from the general public
At the moment the press is covering the union's claims, for obvious reasons, but BA aren't going to sit back without letting the other side of the arguments be known.
Some reports say the union criticises the sickness rules as draconian, claiming that 10 days off a year can lead to a threat of dismissal. Many of the 'general public' go through their entire working lives without going sick 10 days a year.
Of course there are circumstances in which those who fly are unable to work while those in other jobs would just press on, but BA will inevitably point to the curious difference in sickness rates between pilots and cabin crew.
The real 'sickness' issue is well-known by people in or connected with the industry, and I can't see WW being slow to let it be known more widely.
Complaints that BA wants to abolish some in-flight supervisory positions are unlikely to generate public outrage when most members of the public believe (rightly or wrongly) that large organisations in the UK have had too many supervisory positions for far too long and are hampered in making changes by unions wishing (understandably) to preserve established working practices.
Some journalist will inevitably compare BA CC earnings with (for example) teachers, or those in other fields who've had to study (unpaid) for three years to obtain their qualifications.
Or with CC earnings at other UK airlines.
Or with the earnings of those who do similar jobs (outside the airlines) serving the public on the ground.
I also wonder if there'll be much sympathy for a threat to further damage a company which, in common with most airlines, is already coping with financial challenges. Most thinking people now know the airline sector works on very low profit margins; some may not know quite how low. This link shows the profit margin of all airlines worldwide, and compares it with just one company in the oil sector : Link
(And with BAA's profit margin.
)Public opinion is always very fickle, and even those who may be sympathetic in principle (depending upon the nature of a particular strike) tend to change their minds when they are personally inconvenienced.
BA CC may or may not have a good cause for complaint, but assuming public support would IMHO be a big mistake.
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I wouldn't bet on that.
I work at the little regional airport that is enduring and conquering SHPIG.
Everything that we have done over the last couple of years to literally save our ar*es at Gatwick will be wiped out in a single day by a cc strike. Thanks
Glamgirl's post make a great deal of sense, I hope you read it, as do many other posts against the strike. There is not a single post in here that is supposedly in favour of action that doesn't smack of bravado and stupidity. Tell me again .. what are you striking for? Does the majority know? Or is it just because you came in off a trip and your union rep told you to vote for it?
I would like all 8100 of you that voted to tell me you actually knew what you were voting for.
There is a very harsh reality waiting just around the corner for all of us. We are just a cost when you count us as numbers, as an individual, I still get satisfaction out of my job and I will guarantee you that I deal with a lot more disgruntled passengers (customers) daily than you would in your career.
So what your plane's full? It's meant to be! Get on with it. Try a couple of August 10ths, 9/11s or even the December fog and the daily queues out the door for security if you want to know what real disruption is and how satisfied customers are. By the time they get to you, they are happy, the stressful part is over they are on holiday! And if you get a drunk on board? Call the ground staff to deal with it.
I have been physically and verbally (many times) abused in my job and I still love it and am proud to do it. I don't want you lot pi**ing it against the wall over minor, negotiable grievances. Sort it.
I work at the little regional airport that is enduring and conquering SHPIG.
Everything that we have done over the last couple of years to literally save our ar*es at Gatwick will be wiped out in a single day by a cc strike. Thanks
Glamgirl's post make a great deal of sense, I hope you read it, as do many other posts against the strike. There is not a single post in here that is supposedly in favour of action that doesn't smack of bravado and stupidity. Tell me again .. what are you striking for? Does the majority know? Or is it just because you came in off a trip and your union rep told you to vote for it?
I would like all 8100 of you that voted to tell me you actually knew what you were voting for.
There is a very harsh reality waiting just around the corner for all of us. We are just a cost when you count us as numbers, as an individual, I still get satisfaction out of my job and I will guarantee you that I deal with a lot more disgruntled passengers (customers) daily than you would in your career.
So what your plane's full? It's meant to be! Get on with it. Try a couple of August 10ths, 9/11s or even the December fog and the daily queues out the door for security if you want to know what real disruption is and how satisfied customers are. By the time they get to you, they are happy, the stressful part is over they are on holiday! And if you get a drunk on board? Call the ground staff to deal with it.
I have been physically and verbally (many times) abused in my job and I still love it and am proud to do it. I don't want you lot pi**ing it against the wall over minor, negotiable grievances. Sort it.
Interesting times ahead for BA then.
Its a real shame its come to this, and I put it down to bad management. The need for BA to compete and modernise has been blindingly obvious to every one for quite some time. The management have taken notice of this and have decided to do something about it. What is unfortunate is how they have gone about it, panicking they have resorted to bullying and dismissals as a way to cut costs. They have totally demoralised the very people they rely on to give good service to the passengers.
One must ask why? and its because they are easy targets. In the airline I work for one of the senior management was heard to say "If they don't like it they can leave, there's plenty more where they came from!" And that is why BA cc feel the only way to make management listen to them and treat them like assets to the business again is to go on strike.
Good management would acknowledge the need to modernise and compete, and would address this by motivating the workforce and making them feel part of the team. And after instilling a sence of camaraderie and "we are all in it together" you can start to make the changes that are so badly needed in BA . By taking the workforce with you the company can survive and make a future for its self. Unfortunately management of this calibre is badly lacking in BA , and the end result is there for all to see.
Its a real shame its come to this, and I put it down to bad management. The need for BA to compete and modernise has been blindingly obvious to every one for quite some time. The management have taken notice of this and have decided to do something about it. What is unfortunate is how they have gone about it, panicking they have resorted to bullying and dismissals as a way to cut costs. They have totally demoralised the very people they rely on to give good service to the passengers.
One must ask why? and its because they are easy targets. In the airline I work for one of the senior management was heard to say "If they don't like it they can leave, there's plenty more where they came from!" And that is why BA cc feel the only way to make management listen to them and treat them like assets to the business again is to go on strike.
Good management would acknowledge the need to modernise and compete, and would address this by motivating the workforce and making them feel part of the team. And after instilling a sence of camaraderie and "we are all in it together" you can start to make the changes that are so badly needed in BA . By taking the workforce with you the company can survive and make a future for its self. Unfortunately management of this calibre is badly lacking in BA , and the end result is there for all to see.
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I channel-hopped onto the Beeb news last night to see crowd scenes of great jubilation, and people on a podium hugging each other. Reacting publicly like you've just won the olympic bid when you've just heard a ballot result for strike action will not endear you to anyone, least of whom punters who will vote with their feet booking flights with anyone other than BA over the next couple of months.
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The strike vote sends a clear message to Willie Walsh that his bullying,blinkered,misguided leadership that he has brought to this once wonderful company has to change.we all know the cabin crew agreements need a rethink,still lots of rediculous payments/days off requirements.but his dictatorial attitude wont resolve any of them......i am sure his days are numbered and he will go the same way as Ayling.....my only concern is what damage will he be allowed to inflict before he slides off to his next lucrative directorship....leaving the rest of us in the sh.t !!! once again its the poor travelling public who's travel plans will be destroyed.this strike doesn't need to take place,just hope the board bring this madman to his senses and bring the dispute to a sucessful outcome.the staff and the passengers deserve certainty.