Airport Security (Merged) - Effects on Crew/Staff
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here the AIM issued by the CFMU:
HIGH LEVEL SECURITY IN UK AIRPORTS
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. UPDATE 5
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DUE TO THE ONGOING SECURITY ISSUES EGLL AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL
ARRIVING TFC WIE TILL 1800
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OPERATORS MUST SYSTEMATICALLY CANCEL ALL PLN, RPL OR FPL FOR
THE FLIGHTS THEY DO NOT INTEND TO OPERATE
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CFMU OPSD ON BEHALF OF LONDON FMP
2 LH flight (1 fro FRA and 1 from HAM) diverted back to origin.
HIGH LEVEL SECURITY IN UK AIRPORTS
----------------------------------
. UPDATE 5
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.
DUE TO THE ONGOING SECURITY ISSUES EGLL AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL
ARRIVING TFC WIE TILL 1800
.
OPERATORS MUST SYSTEMATICALLY CANCEL ALL PLN, RPL OR FPL FOR
THE FLIGHTS THEY DO NOT INTEND TO OPERATE
.
CFMU OPSD ON BEHALF OF LONDON FMP
2 LH flight (1 fro FRA and 1 from HAM) diverted back to origin.
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I know flybe have waived all extra baggage costs, not sure on the other locos tho.
Just watching the BBC news 24 coverage, where on earth do they find these "experts" ???
I have a degree in aerospace engineering, and the stuff they are saying is SO far off the truth it's quite scary!
Just watching the BBC news 24 coverage, where on earth do they find these "experts" ???
I have a degree in aerospace engineering, and the stuff they are saying is SO far off the truth it's quite scary!
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Originally Posted by sugden
Easyprison. today's actions are knee-jerk and unnecessary.
Firstly, those who might have set of bombs (an no-one is alledging that today was their target day) are in police cells. So for today at least the threat is, bizzarely, lower than it will perhaps be tomorrow (when they one they didn't catch tries to act).
Firstly, those who might have set of bombs (an no-one is alledging that today was their target day) are in police cells. So for today at least the threat is, bizzarely, lower than it will perhaps be tomorrow (when they one they didn't catch tries to act).
if all you know about what is going on is from what you have heard on the news, read online and heard from friends/work - this does not make you an expert and making such statements as "this was unnecesary" and "those who might of set the bombs are in police cells" is ridiculous.
First of all.. do they know that they have caught everyone?
Second of all.. would you of like to of taken the risk that had they not of done what they did today, TWENTY aircraft would have been blown up (as is being reported here in australia)
gee, thats an awful lot of dead people to mourn, in return for a week or two or airport chaos.
Personally i would prefer this kind of chaos anyday than to have to go to work each day, get on my plane and believe that the government wont take things 'seriuously' until they have solid facts. In this day and age, it dosent work like that.
Mobiles and soft toys
Mobile phones were used to detonate the Madrid train bombs (ten of them), and anything could be hidden in a soft toy (although likely to show on scanning monitors).
Evidently the reason for 'no hand luggage' is due to the stated threat emanating from liquids in soft drinks bottles. It's to make the public aware that almost anything can be seen as a threat.
I'm extremely glad the security services were on to this - today's chaos is so much more acceptable than a trawl through deep ocean waters for bodies and bits of aeroplane.
Evidently the reason for 'no hand luggage' is due to the stated threat emanating from liquids in soft drinks bottles. It's to make the public aware that almost anything can be seen as a threat.
I'm extremely glad the security services were on to this - today's chaos is so much more acceptable than a trawl through deep ocean waters for bodies and bits of aeroplane.
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TWENTY aircraft would have been blown up (as is being reported here in australia)
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Originally Posted by ShesGreatintheGalley
Personally i would prefer this kind of chaos anyday than to have to go to work each day, get on my plane and believe that the government wont take things 'seriuously' until they have solid facts. In this day and age, it dosent work like that.
Someone is going to make loads'a'money out of clear sided, comfortably handled, carry on bags [to dimensions that do not upset Security types] over the next few months/years?
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Unsubstantiated rumour at the moment (but from a reliable personal source), but it appears that the police have just found a bomb factory on Walton Road in High Wycombe. By my reckoning that's about 15 miles from LHR.
Of course it could be a perfectly innocent, everyday bomb factory, with no connection to all of this. Somehow however, I doubt it.
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Of course it could be a perfectly innocent, everyday bomb factory, with no connection to all of this. Somehow however, I doubt it.
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Whilst not inclined to make light of todays 'situation'..........I think it likely that when the full facts emerge, they will show the present over reaction to be precisely that.
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Originally Posted by Genghis the Engineer
Unsubstantiated rumour at the moment (but from a reliable personal source), but it appears that the police have just found a bomb factory on Walton Road in High Wycombe. By my reckoning that's about 15 miles from LHR.
Of course it could be a perfectly innocent, everyday bomb factory, with no connection to all of this. Somehow however, I doubt it.
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Of course it could be a perfectly innocent, everyday bomb factory, with no connection to all of this. Somehow however, I doubt it.
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This reminds me of Operation Bojinka.
Now this is interesting:
"The two had already converted fourteen bottles of contact lens solution into bottles containing nitroglycerin, which was readily available in the Philippines. Yousef taped a metal rod to the arch of his of foot in place of the detonators. Yousef and Mohammed wore jewelry and clothing with metal to confuse airport security. They packed condoms in their bags to support their story that they were meeting women"
Now this is interesting:
"The two had already converted fourteen bottles of contact lens solution into bottles containing nitroglycerin, which was readily available in the Philippines. Yousef taped a metal rod to the arch of his of foot in place of the detonators. Yousef and Mohammed wore jewelry and clothing with metal to confuse airport security. They packed condoms in their bags to support their story that they were meeting women"
Originally Posted by LGS6753
Mobile phones were used to detonate the Madrid train bombs (ten of them)
Just my 2c
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SECURITY is a serious issue but the way TVs and radios inform the public is scary. There are news reports talking about 20-30 airplanes involved in possible terrorist actions. Yes everithing is possible but.....
Too much noise. To properely work on these issues I do not think investigators need such a noise and such a big show. Maybe this is a need for politicians.....
Too much noise. To properely work on these issues I do not think investigators need such a noise and such a big show. Maybe this is a need for politicians.....
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Originally Posted by ShesGreatintheGalley
umm.. sorry but unless you happen to work for the department that is strictly investigating this issue how can you believe this?
if all you know about what is going on is from what you have heard on the news, read online and heard from friends/work - this does not make you an expert and making such statements as "this was unnecesary" and "those who might of set the bombs are in police cells" is ridiculous.
First of all.. do they know that they have caught everyone?
Second of all.. would you of like to of taken the risk that had they not of done what they did today, TWENTY aircraft would have been blown up (as is being reported here in australia)
gee, thats an awful lot of dead people to mourn, in return for a week or two or airport chaos.
Personally i would prefer this kind of chaos anyday than to have to go to work each day, get on my plane and believe that the government wont take things 'seriuously' until they have solid facts. In this day and age, it dosent work like that.
if all you know about what is going on is from what you have heard on the news, read online and heard from friends/work - this does not make you an expert and making such statements as "this was unnecesary" and "those who might of set the bombs are in police cells" is ridiculous.
First of all.. do they know that they have caught everyone?
Second of all.. would you of like to of taken the risk that had they not of done what they did today, TWENTY aircraft would have been blown up (as is being reported here in australia)
gee, thats an awful lot of dead people to mourn, in return for a week or two or airport chaos.
Personally i would prefer this kind of chaos anyday than to have to go to work each day, get on my plane and believe that the government wont take things 'seriuously' until they have solid facts. In this day and age, it dosent work like that.
Everything can be bought in the duty free shops etc. Maybe for the children we should install PTV's on all aircraft over 2 hours of flight.
I pesonally think we should get rid of visa waiver programs and have visa's instead as each individual would be screened and the visa's probably last longer. And to be background checked by the TSA when going into the USA
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Originally Posted by FlyingConsultant
I completely understand the "no liquids" rule. I am actually surprised it wasn't like that before - liquid explosives have been around for a while. Buy your water after the security point, please.
At KSEA this morning the airside stores had pulled all beverages off the shelves. Nobody (yet) seems to have thought about the vending machines though
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Hopefully the security forces have got their facts right this time re the 'bomb factory'. (Lest we forget that these are the same forces that put eight bullets through the head of an innocent Brazilian and blew away a man for carrying a table leg along a London street.) If so, excellent work. If not someone has a hell of a lot of explaining to do.
It will be interesting to any effect on flying UK-US with the US majors. Several co-workers have been flying LHR-JFK with AC via YYZ since 2005 to avoid the US/UK majors.
It will be interesting to any effect on flying UK-US with the US majors. Several co-workers have been flying LHR-JFK with AC via YYZ since 2005 to avoid the US/UK majors.
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Ref: A2031/06
FIR: EGTT
Code: FAXX
Traffic: VFR IFR
Purpose: Immed. atten. aircraft operators PIB entry Operationally significant for flights
Scope: Aerodrome
Lower limit (FL): 000
Upper limit (FL): 999
Centre and radius (nm): 5129N00028W005
Parent ICAO: EGLL
Start date/time: 10/08/2006 14:55 UTC
End date/time: 10/08/2006 23:59 UTC
Activity period: null
Lower height limit: 000
Upper height limit: 999
RESTRICTIONS REGARDING SHORT HAUL FLIGHTS TO LONDON HEATHROW HAVE BEEN LIFTED. A TACTICAL CAPACITY RESTRICTION MAY BE APPLIED BY CFMU.
FIR: EGTT
Code: FAXX
Traffic: VFR IFR
Purpose: Immed. atten. aircraft operators PIB entry Operationally significant for flights
Scope: Aerodrome
Lower limit (FL): 000
Upper limit (FL): 999
Centre and radius (nm): 5129N00028W005
Parent ICAO: EGLL
Start date/time: 10/08/2006 14:55 UTC
End date/time: 10/08/2006 23:59 UTC
Activity period: null
Lower height limit: 000
Upper height limit: 999
RESTRICTIONS REGARDING SHORT HAUL FLIGHTS TO LONDON HEATHROW HAVE BEEN LIFTED. A TACTICAL CAPACITY RESTRICTION MAY BE APPLIED BY CFMU.
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Hello again.
A few people disagreeing heartily with my view that this is an absurd over-reaction. Fair enough. Let me ask this question.
Was any airport security breached today? Or yesterday? Or the day before that?
If there have been security breaches then I can understand the lock-down mentality.
But there haven't been.
So why the lock-down?
Do we suddenly think that, just because we find someone who was going to try something bad, all the security we have in place to prevent them achieving their aim is obsolete? Really? In that case, fire John Reid and Alastair Darling for presiding over such indequate processes.
There has been no security breach. There is not, therefore, as far as anyone has said, any reason to go into lock-down melt-down mode.
Ill-judged panic-fuelled over-reaction, in my opinion.
Anyone whom applauds this on a long term basis had better get ready to find another job. The public will stay at home.
A few people disagreeing heartily with my view that this is an absurd over-reaction. Fair enough. Let me ask this question.
Was any airport security breached today? Or yesterday? Or the day before that?
If there have been security breaches then I can understand the lock-down mentality.
But there haven't been.
So why the lock-down?
Do we suddenly think that, just because we find someone who was going to try something bad, all the security we have in place to prevent them achieving their aim is obsolete? Really? In that case, fire John Reid and Alastair Darling for presiding over such indequate processes.
There has been no security breach. There is not, therefore, as far as anyone has said, any reason to go into lock-down melt-down mode.
Ill-judged panic-fuelled over-reaction, in my opinion.
Anyone whom applauds this on a long term basis had better get ready to find another job. The public will stay at home.