Airport Security (Merged) - Effects on Crew/Staff
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EGLL has a zero flow rate inbound TFN this is due to lack of stands etc. Inbounds with a greater than 3hr flying time are being allowed to land and have been catered for. EGCC, EGKK and EGSS have reduced rates and all airports have MDI's.
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LHR close put back further:
Latest EGLL notam:
A2024/06 - HEATHROW AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL SHORTHAUL FLIGHTS WITH SECTORS OF 3 HOURS OR LESS. A REVIEW WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AT 1400Z. 10 AUG 07:42 UNTIL 10 AUG 14:00
Latest EGLL notam:
A2024/06 - HEATHROW AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL SHORTHAUL FLIGHTS WITH SECTORS OF 3 HOURS OR LESS. A REVIEW WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AT 1400Z. 10 AUG 07:42 UNTIL 10 AUG 14:00
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Update on post #31 from me: BBC News now reports that AF have cancelled only Paris-LHR flights whilst the backlog clears, and that IB have cancelled all flights. Also reporting that Tel Aviv-London flights are cancelled (BBC Article)
How this sits with the current NOTAM (which is also reported), I don't know.
Jordan
How this sits with the current NOTAM (which is also reported), I don't know.
Jordan
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Latest is that it is closed to flights not in the air already until 1500z now!!
The scene at LHR with many planes on the ground is a bit like how it was last August, I don't need to remind people what happened then!!
Completely different now though!
Worrying situation, hope this won;t have too many long term effects on the industry.
The scene at LHR with many planes on the ground is a bit like how it was last August, I don't need to remind people what happened then!!
Completely different now though!
Worrying situation, hope this won;t have too many long term effects on the industry.
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Flight crew restrictions
I fly regional t/prop out of Glasgow. I've just been told by ops, that we are not allowed flight cases. Only the bare minimum to be taken onto flight deck. No mobiles. So basically your plog, headset, and pens. Don't know about calculator.
This is terrible......where am I going to keep my sandwiches!!!!!
JF
This is terrible......where am I going to keep my sandwiches!!!!!
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Originally Posted by luoto
LHR close put back further:
Latest EGLL notam:
A2024/06 - HEATHROW AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL SHORTHAUL FLIGHTS WITH SECTORS OF 3 HOURS OR LESS. A REVIEW WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AT 1400Z. 10 AUG 07:42 UNTIL 10 AUG 14:00
Latest EGLL notam:
A2024/06 - HEATHROW AIRPORT IS CLOSED TO ALL SHORTHAUL FLIGHTS WITH SECTORS OF 3 HOURS OR LESS. A REVIEW WILL BE UNDERTAKEN AT 1400Z. 10 AUG 07:42 UNTIL 10 AUG 14:00
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Originally Posted by SXB
BA are offering to rebook passengers, without penalty, who don't want to travel today or tomorrow onto flights over the next few weeks regardless of whether their ticket is changeable. I haven't heard if any of the lo-cos are doing this, though their customer service engine isn't really designed to deal with several thousand passengers over a short space of time.
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Official Guidelines?
What are the "authorities" instructing Flight Deck and Cabin Crew as acceptable to bring to work? I have heard nothing, except my company advises to bring only what is necessary for the job.
Like Jockflyer, that means my butties. Crew food is highly dodgy, always has been!
Like Jockflyer, that means my butties. Crew food is highly dodgy, always has been!
The one thing the CAPTAIN needs today is a mobile phone so that he can maintain contact with Ops at all times and actually try and salvage the day for passengers, crew and airline alike.
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Quite so - Refusal to allow flight crew to carry on bags will not work; My bag contains things I actually need, including a phone and a laptop. There has to be a distinction between the crew and passengers at security checks, and if they cant take it from our ID passes that we are the pilots that we say we are, then they shouldn't be letting us through at all.
Kudos to the UK security services for preventing murderers from taking many lives, and from severely damaging the airline industry.
Kudos to the UK security services for preventing murderers from taking many lives, and from severely damaging the airline industry.
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The news is reporting that possessions brought by passengers are being transferred into the hold.
Apart from the fact that this prevents hand luggage from being in the cabin - is there a real safety reason why everything should go in the 'belly' of the plane?
i.e. should a device be smuggled into the hold that could be detonated - is there more chance of the crew being able to land an aircraft rather than it occurring in the cabin? (i.e. is the hold designed to withstand an explosion to a greater degree than where the pax sit?)
Apart from the fact that this prevents hand luggage from being in the cabin - is there a real safety reason why everything should go in the 'belly' of the plane?
i.e. should a device be smuggled into the hold that could be detonated - is there more chance of the crew being able to land an aircraft rather than it occurring in the cabin? (i.e. is the hold designed to withstand an explosion to a greater degree than where the pax sit?)
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ais.org.uk is a disjointed p.i.t.a so I went West
https://www.notams.jcs.mil/
slap in egll and it is currently no 3.
ais.org.uk is a disjointed p.i.t.a so I went West
https://www.notams.jcs.mil/
slap in egll and it is currently no 3.
Personally, what is most interesting in all this is the ban on all liquids. This includes prescribed medicines that are unable to be verified to be medicines.
They are specifically identified in the list of prohibited substances on the BA website.
It appears to this casual observer that these potential terrorists have access to some form of explosive in liquid form - presumably in multiple component parts hence the hold carriage requirement - that can be used to bring down an aircraft.
It will be interesting to see if this is indeed the case and what the outcome with respect to future security measures turns out to be.
They are specifically identified in the list of prohibited substances on the BA website.
It appears to this casual observer that these potential terrorists have access to some form of explosive in liquid form - presumably in multiple component parts hence the hold carriage requirement - that can be used to bring down an aircraft.
It will be interesting to see if this is indeed the case and what the outcome with respect to future security measures turns out to be.
Just a numbered other
Instructions to crew
Our co emailed the regs of which the following extract refers to crews:
So it seems, jockflier will have no sandwiches to worry about, so no bag required.
I am very concernes, as a loco pilot, how I am going to feed myself at all. Can't take anything on board, so does that mean I'm living on one of two varieties of sandwich, and cheapo orange juice for the forseeable future. That is unaceptable.
edit to avoid controversy and offending wilting violets
Airline Crew
4. Any crew, whether operational or positioning, using passenger search areas must be subjected to the same security measures as passengers.
5. Crew accessing the Restricted Zone through staff search areas must carry only those items they require to perform their duties (including personal hand baggage meeting that description). All such items must be x-rayed where possible and hand searched where not. All crew must be hand searched.
6. However, no liquids of any type are permitted other than those mentioned above as able to be taken into the Restricted Zone by passengers.
[for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger)]
7. At airports where there is no specific staff search facility, airports should make special arrangements for crew to be screened away from passengers.
Temporary Passes
8. Temporary passes must not be issued without the express permission of the Airport Security Manager.
Company Mobile Phone
It has been agreed with the Security authorities that the Captain ONLY may retain his issued company phone as it forms part of the normal operation
4. Any crew, whether operational or positioning, using passenger search areas must be subjected to the same security measures as passengers.
5. Crew accessing the Restricted Zone through staff search areas must carry only those items they require to perform their duties (including personal hand baggage meeting that description). All such items must be x-rayed where possible and hand searched where not. All crew must be hand searched.
6. However, no liquids of any type are permitted other than those mentioned above as able to be taken into the Restricted Zone by passengers.
[for those travelling with an infant: baby food, milk (the contents of each bottle must be tasted by the accompanying passenger)]
7. At airports where there is no specific staff search facility, airports should make special arrangements for crew to be screened away from passengers.
Temporary Passes
8. Temporary passes must not be issued without the express permission of the Airport Security Manager.
Company Mobile Phone
It has been agreed with the Security authorities that the Captain ONLY may retain his issued company phone as it forms part of the normal operation
I am very concernes, as a loco pilot, how I am going to feed myself at all. Can't take anything on board, so does that mean I'm living on one of two varieties of sandwich, and cheapo orange juice for the forseeable future. That is unaceptable.
edit to avoid controversy and offending wilting violets
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Apart from the fact that this prevents hand luggage from being in the cabin - is there a real safety reason why everything should go in the 'belly' of the plane?
News reports are that the devices were to be assembled on board, hence the move of the components to the hold.
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Just been speaking with friends who work at an airport in the North East of England.
The response at the non-terminal security gate (i.e. the workers' entrance) has been interesting. A fireman was told he couldn't bring his electronic car key in and would have to leave it IN his car and leave the car unlocked in the car park. Mobile phones are similarly banned - although a member of the oncoming HEMS crew managed to persuade the security person that the work-issued phone was essential on the scene of an accident.
The cleared working people at the said airport regularly get the full nine yards at the security gate while there are regular incursions from the seemingly unguarded south fence of the perimeter, so no real surprises here.
The response at the non-terminal security gate (i.e. the workers' entrance) has been interesting. A fireman was told he couldn't bring his electronic car key in and would have to leave it IN his car and leave the car unlocked in the car park. Mobile phones are similarly banned - although a member of the oncoming HEMS crew managed to persuade the security person that the work-issued phone was essential on the scene of an accident.
The cleared working people at the said airport regularly get the full nine yards at the security gate while there are regular incursions from the seemingly unguarded south fence of the perimeter, so no real surprises here.