UK SAR 2013 privatisation: the new thread
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Why are you all on here bickering. Surely you should be working on your CVs???? Its over - Bristows 1 - Military 0
I agree with 212Man - Never has so much ****e been talked by so few, for so little progress!!!
SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!
I agree with 212Man - Never has so much ****e been talked by so few, for so little progress!!!
SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!
HC
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding military aircrew, I wonder why? If military guys are such high risk it doesn't make sense to me that everyone I know who has left in recent years has secured employment with quality aviation employers all round the world. I agree, it's a different mindset but the vast majority of them make the transition smoothly and have plenty to offer. Bristow will no doubt utilise some of the expertise currently residing within military SAR, to not do so would be high risk indeed.
Yes, and is it any wonder that civvy companies regard recruitment from the military as high risk (except for Bond of course!)?
SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
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"taught RN SAR NVD"
Might have to pull you up on that one crab .... Mk4 SK operating NVG since 1982 and it was Junglie NVGIs that passed on that expertise to our SAR brethren ....
Might have to pull you up on that one crab .... Mk4 SK operating NVG since 1982 and it was Junglie NVGIs that passed on that expertise to our SAR brethren ....
Junglie beefer.
Let me see now, I was on hold over as a stude with 826 sqdn (wessex5) Culdrose in august '79 and recall flying in the back of a SK with some crabs flying who were learning low level night navex on NVG. It was the NFSF doing the teaching (either TL or SP).
By george I think the RN were already fiddling with NVD way back then even...spiffing.
Let me see now, I was on hold over as a stude with 826 sqdn (wessex5) Culdrose in august '79 and recall flying in the back of a SK with some crabs flying who were learning low level night navex on NVG. It was the NFSF doing the teaching (either TL or SP).
By george I think the RN were already fiddling with NVD way back then even...spiffing.
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I don't suppose you have done any real SAR but SAR isn't a bit like flying in the N Sea which is dead easy when it is sunny, the wind is in the right direction on the rig and you aren't pushing the performance envelope. When it is night, the wind is blowing through the rig or it is light so you are pushing the performance envelope then it is more difficult.
When the visibility is poor, the cloudbase is low, the freezing level is low and there is lightning forecast a deputation troops up to the Senior pilot to suggest you all stay in the Ops room. This is when it gets more challenging and difficult for an SAR crew as they operate in these conditions so yes it can be really that difficult
I think we have to give the title of inventers of airborne SAR to the Navy with its' Walruses etc
HF
SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
When the visibility is poor, the cloudbase is low, the freezing level is low and there is lightning forecast a deputation troops up to the Senior pilot to suggest you all stay in the Ops room. This is when it gets more challenging and difficult for an SAR crew as they operate in these conditions so yes it can be really that difficult
Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!
HF
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Humming frog. Thank you for the lesson in Ops Despatch. I have the utmost respect for the SAR crews but was being a bit naughty. Of course all kinds of flying is easy when we are well trained and the kit is good and serviceable.
This thread is in the gutter
Tourist - so who did convert and train the NVGIs at Gannet then????Not the RN
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding military aircrew, I wonder why? If military guys are such high risk it doesn't make sense to me that everyone I know who has left in recent years has secured employment with quality aviation employers all round the world. I agree, it's a different mindset but the vast majority of them make the transition smoothly and have plenty to offer. Bristow will no doubt utilise some of the expertise currently residing within military SAR, to not do so would be high risk indeed.
HC
Sadly, you get them in all areas of aviation. If only there was a system of interviewing/psychometric testing that could weed them out, we'd all be better off!
With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?
not very good at CRM and always want to buck the system
With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?
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TC
79? I see your 79 TC and raise you to '76! My only computer run down in 16yrs WX flying, take off at Bessbrook Mill, section of 8 hooligans down the back, on PNG (anyone remember them?), fortunately missed the rocket fence and trees 
Goggles got much better after that.
Culdrose in august '79 and recall flying in the back of a SK
Goggles got much better after that.
Sadly, you get them in all areas of aviation. If only there was a system of interviewing/psychometric testing that could weed them out, we'd all be better off!
With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?
With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?
Llamaman: OK new bases:
Pro's:
No MoD landlord to worry about.
No mixed airspace to squabble over.
Build what you like and never worry about a 2nd hand nissen hut with corrugated roofing and no heating.
Can move quickly if the situation changes.
Con's:
Can't IFR home (I follow roads). Can't grub beneath the cloud base and make landfall - CAA watching!
This means for those sites which don't have recovery aids, the cab could be out of position until the weather clears.
Might need their own security precautions - which is costly.
overall - civvy bases are best.
Pro's:
No MoD landlord to worry about.
No mixed airspace to squabble over.
Build what you like and never worry about a 2nd hand nissen hut with corrugated roofing and no heating.
Can move quickly if the situation changes.
Con's:
Can't IFR home (I follow roads). Can't grub beneath the cloud base and make landfall - CAA watching!
This means for those sites which don't have recovery aids, the cab could be out of position until the weather clears.
Might need their own security precautions - which is costly.
overall - civvy bases are best.
I envy the Bristow set-up where a properly-resourced training team will be able to train people in new aircraft at locations which don't have two circuit embargoes a day for display aircraft to practice, where fuel bowsers aren't delayed every time because they can't cross the runway, where every other IF approach isn't broken off due to yet another Darth Vader running short of go-juice, where the only serviceable aircraft isn't requisitioned for a whole day for a spotters' photo-shoot etc etc. The future's bright and it's not yellow!