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Old 8th Apr 2013, 14:43
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Why are you all on here bickering. Surely you should be working on your CVs???? Its over - Bristows 1 - Military 0

I agree with 212Man - Never has so much shite been talked by so few, for so little progress!!!

SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??

Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 15:54
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Yes, and is it any wonder that civvy companies regard recruitment from the military as high risk (except for Bond of course!)?
You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding military aircrew, I wonder why? If military guys are such high risk it doesn't make sense to me that everyone I know who has left in recent years has secured employment with quality aviation employers all round the world. I agree, it's a different mindset but the vast majority of them make the transition smoothly and have plenty to offer. Bristow will no doubt utilise some of the expertise currently residing within military SAR, to not do so would be high risk indeed.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 16:20
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Originally Posted by llamaman View Post
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You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding ...
'A' chip??? Don't worry about it, llamaman, HC has many, many 'chips'.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 16:56
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SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
no, but doing it well is
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 17:31
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"taught RN SAR NVD"

Might have to pull you up on that one crab .... Mk4 SK operating NVG since 1982 and it was Junglie NVGIs that passed on that expertise to our SAR brethren ....
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 18:11
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Junglie beefer.
Let me see now, I was on hold over as a stude with 826 sqdn (wessex5) Culdrose in august '79 and recall flying in the back of a SK with some crabs flying who were learning low level night navex on NVG. It was the NFSF doing the teaching (either TL or SP).
By george I think the RN were already fiddling with NVD way back then even...spiffing.

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Old 8th Apr 2013, 18:31
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SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??
I don't suppose you have done any real SAR but SAR isn't a bit like flying in the N Sea which is dead easy when it is sunny, the wind is in the right direction on the rig and you aren't pushing the performance envelope. When it is night, the wind is blowing through the rig or it is light so you are pushing the performance envelope then it is more difficult.

When the visibility is poor, the cloudbase is low, the freezing level is low and there is lightning forecast a deputation troops up to the Senior pilot to suggest you all stay in the Ops room. This is when it gets more challenging and difficult for an SAR crew as they operate in these conditions so yes it can be really that difficult

Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!
I think we have to give the title of inventers of airborne SAR to the Navy with its' Walruses etc

HF

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Old 8th Apr 2013, 19:16
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It is astounding how some people think they can just state things like

"taught RN SAR NVD"

and think that they become true!

My @rse taught by the crabs!!
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:10
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This thread is in the gutter.

I am almost tempted to retract my application. Working surrounded this horrendous chat would drive me to distraction.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:12
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Humming frog. Thank you for the lesson in Ops Despatch. I have the utmost respect for the SAR crews but was being a bit naughty. Of course all kinds of flying is easy when we are well trained and the kit is good and serviceable.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:21
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This thread is in the gutter
Most of them will be switching the lights out in 2015. However, they will probably still be slanging away until 2026 trying to justify which arm of the miltary should take over again.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:34
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Tourist - so who did convert and train the NVGIs at Gannet then????Not the RN
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:37
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You seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder regarding military aircrew, I wonder why? If military guys are such high risk it doesn't make sense to me that everyone I know who has left in recent years has secured employment with quality aviation employers all round the world. I agree, it's a different mindset but the vast majority of them make the transition smoothly and have plenty to offer. Bristow will no doubt utilise some of the expertise currently residing within military SAR, to not do so would be high risk indeed.
In truth mostly pisstaking due to some of the BS on this thread. We have plenty of good guys who are ex-mil. We have a few who have never really left the mil and spend their civvy lives saying "when I was in the RAF/RN we did it like this...", not very good at CRM and always want to buck the system. These guys can be a pain!
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:56
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not very good at CRM and always want to buck the system
Sadly, you get them in all areas of aviation. If only there was a system of interviewing/psychometric testing that could weed them out, we'd all be better off!

With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?

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Old 8th Apr 2013, 20:56
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Culdrose in august '79 and recall flying in the back of a SK
79? I see your 79 TC and raise you to '76! My only computer run down in 16yrs WX flying, take off at Bessbrook Mill, section of 8 hooligans down the back, on PNG (anyone remember them?), fortunately missed the rocket fence and trees Goggles got much better after that.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 21:06
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Sadly, you get them in all areas of aviation. If only there was a system of interviewing/psychometric testing that could weed them out, we'd all be better off!

With the risk of actually getting the thread back on track are there any thoughts on the new basing solution?
I suppose my particular bugbear with mil pilots is the tendency to want to point-score all the time, as is being well demonstrated in this thread. It does seem to be something in the mil psyche, but of course is very bad in terms of CRM.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 21:44
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Llamaman: OK new bases:

Pro's:

No MoD landlord to worry about.
No mixed airspace to squabble over.
Build what you like and never worry about a 2nd hand nissen hut with corrugated roofing and no heating.
Can move quickly if the situation changes.

Con's:

Can't IFR home (I follow roads). Can't grub beneath the cloud base and make landfall - CAA watching!
This means for those sites which don't have recovery aids, the cab could be out of position until the weather clears.

Might need their own security precautions - which is costly.

overall - civvy bases are best.
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 21:49
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tendency to want to point-score all the time, as is being well demonstrated in this thread. It does seem to be something in the mil psyche,
tee hee!
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Old 8th Apr 2013, 23:02
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Originally Posted by DOUBLE BOGEY View Post

SAR - Navigating, Searching, Hovering and Hoisting. Is it really all that difficult??

Go Bristows!! The Inventers of SAR!!

RN SAR 60 Mess Dinner.



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Old 8th Apr 2013, 23:22
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I envy the Bristow set-up where a properly-resourced training team will be able to train people in new aircraft at locations which don't have two circuit embargoes a day for display aircraft to practice, where fuel bowsers aren't delayed every time because they can't cross the runway, where every other IF approach isn't broken off due to yet another Darth Vader running short of go-juice, where the only serviceable aircraft isn't requisitioned for a whole day for a spotters' photo-shoot etc etc. The future's bright and it's not yellow!
Wash your mouth out with soap and water.......
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