UK Police helicopter budget cuts
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Crikey, what did we do before the NPIA? I mean, if there aren't enough people to achieve that goal in the Home Office, all 55 UK police forces, Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, the Association of Chief Police Officers, the Association of Police Authorities, the Police Advisory Board for England and Wales, the Chief Police Officers' Staff Association, or the Police Superintendents Association... then surely it's a lost cause.
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Censorship
I can say in response to the quote
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Nothing of the like has been removed from any of the POLKA aviation communities. and I know this as a FACT and not a rumour. 
I can say in response to the quote
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Rumour has it that the question;
'Is it true that NPAS will be creating 24 new managerial posts and that the pay scales of those posts have already agreed, before any of the Air Operation factors such as aircraft, pilotage, bases, unit management and maintenance have been finalised ?
... was removed from the 'community' ?
'Is it true that NPAS will be creating 24 new managerial posts and that the pay scales of those posts have already agreed, before any of the Air Operation factors such as aircraft, pilotage, bases, unit management and maintenance have been finalised ?
... was removed from the 'community' ?
Thanks
Well I guess the rumour of censorship on POLKA was a 'rumour' after all.
However thanks for the confirmation that the management structure part of the orbat has been sorted in detail before the rest of the Police Aviation community as a whole has really been thought of.
I realise that this is a pretty old document but the item reacting to the 'travelling time' query [from the further reaches of the supporting Consortium] suggests that the so called 20 minute rule is pretty much a non-starter in as far as it refers to air support in Kent. It suggests that the actual support is either going to be pre-planned or a long term 'seige event' rather than reactive instant like a car chase.
No wonder they had this idea of moving the Essex aircraft to Southend under NPAS...... Closer to Kent of course but somewhat of a wet transit route across the Thames Estuary for call in eastern Kent. Floatation devices or a major coast hugging diversion potentially required.
No wonder they had this idea of moving the Essex aircraft to Southend under NPAS...... Closer to Kent of course but somewhat of a wet transit route across the Thames Estuary for call in eastern Kent. Floatation devices or a major coast hugging diversion potentially required.
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Sid, not sure but I think a 10 year PC is on about 40k, so I don't think earning less than an observer would grab many pilots. In fact you can earn that as delivery driver not on shifts, and 36k was being paid 12 years ago when I started this game.
You would not have something to do with HR at the home office would you?
You would not have something to do with HR at the home office would you?
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When, on log in, the verification image is the same as your password, it's time to wonder who is watching. 
Anyway, before all this, I think we were all going in the right direction with regional borderless ops being setup all around the country.
But then we were told a different set of directions;
Anyway, before all this, I think we were all going in the right direction with regional borderless ops being setup all around the country.
But then we were told a different set of directions;
I see from the news that ACPO has been put in its place [as a private company] after the little problem of it sending police officers out on lengthy MI5 type jobs .... it seems that this type of operation is not what is seen as 'correct' for police officers to undertake.
Just how many steps forward from that is ACPO deciding what shape NPAS is to take without consulting the Police Authorities first? Already we have heard from Cleveland that it is a little frowned upon.... and I am aware of others less public.... if this catches on UK air support will go back 40 years and lie in the hands of Sky Watch CAP....
Maybe, after being despised for so long, the little [now organised and self regulated] groups trying to get the police flying around in one seat autogyros will have their day purely because the police have failed to run a decent drinking session in the brewery!
Just how many steps forward from that is ACPO deciding what shape NPAS is to take without consulting the Police Authorities first? Already we have heard from Cleveland that it is a little frowned upon.... and I am aware of others less public.... if this catches on UK air support will go back 40 years and lie in the hands of Sky Watch CAP....
Maybe, after being despised for so long, the little [now organised and self regulated] groups trying to get the police flying around in one seat autogyros will have their day purely because the police have failed to run a decent drinking session in the brewery!
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The Document form Kent is quite dated now the problem isnt just the transit time. The problem is the long winded process in place to request the aircraft and this is between only two forces with a direct line to the office.
A typical example, that I'm sure other units get, is the request to come to look for suspects after a decamp, its when you're en-route you find there was a lengthy pursuit prior to this but the request took so long, its all over!
There is no need for floatation devices on the aircraft, its a 2-3 minute transit over the Thames.
Oh and in the interests of anonymity, my mate told me all this!
A typical example, that I'm sure other units get, is the request to come to look for suspects after a decamp, its when you're en-route you find there was a lengthy pursuit prior to this but the request took so long, its all over!
There is no need for floatation devices on the aircraft, its a 2-3 minute transit over the Thames.
Oh and in the interests of anonymity, my mate told me all this!
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Re Authority members - the clock is ticking.....
Re Pans commment
"Just how many steps forward from that is ACPO deciding what shape NPAS is to take without consulting the Police Authorities first?"
I think the various police authorities are more worried about who will become the new local police commisionaire in the next 12 months, who is going to be in charge of each force budget, instead of being concerned about their air support and where it will be based. Its all they are talking about up here in the sunny north east.
MPs Urged Don?t Waste Millions When We?re Facing Worst Ever Cuts
Their have been some interesting public letters in the local Evening Gazette here in Cleveland, which are all asking if the current local authortiy councillors who are all spouting that there shouldnt be a commisioner, will actually stand for the new £120k commisionaires postion? or will they abstain from standing for the post? I think the various writers quoted here speak for a lot of people here.
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The same councillors who attend the current Cleveland PCA coffee morning meetings have been claiming a massive £200,000 in expenses per year! have not said if they will or will not be standing for the new job as the £120k local commissionaire.
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Not one answered the letters to say they wouldnt be standing for the job but I bet a fiver they all will.....easy money for some in the past.
Lets face it whoever is chosen as the man or women in charge of each forces money will not want to upset their Home Office paymaster, and will go along with NPAS. The chiefs have all been told to make it work, from what I heard.
At least the Cleveland public will have saved £80k per year with the new man or women in charge when it comes about next year.
Will my council tax bill be reduced, I doubt it.
"Just how many steps forward from that is ACPO deciding what shape NPAS is to take without consulting the Police Authorities first?"
I think the various police authorities are more worried about who will become the new local police commisionaire in the next 12 months, who is going to be in charge of each force budget, instead of being concerned about their air support and where it will be based. Its all they are talking about up here in the sunny north east.
MPs Urged Don?t Waste Millions When We?re Facing Worst Ever Cuts
Their have been some interesting public letters in the local Evening Gazette here in Cleveland, which are all asking if the current local authortiy councillors who are all spouting that there shouldnt be a commisioner, will actually stand for the new £120k commisionaires postion? or will they abstain from standing for the post? I think the various writers quoted here speak for a lot of people here.
Vested interest; Your say. - Free Online Library
The same councillors who attend the current Cleveland PCA coffee morning meetings have been claiming a massive £200,000 in expenses per year! have not said if they will or will not be standing for the new job as the £120k local commissionaire.
Expenses & Allowances
Not one answered the letters to say they wouldnt be standing for the job
but I bet a fiver they all will.....easy money for some in the past.Lets face it whoever is chosen as the man or women in charge of each forces money will not want to upset their Home Office paymaster, and will go along with NPAS. The chiefs have all been told to make it work, from what I heard.
At least the Cleveland public will have saved £80k per year with the new man or women in charge when it comes about next year.
Will my council tax bill be reduced, I doubt it.
Props Stopped, while everything you are saying about the standards exhibited by your local 'representatives' may be true the wider situation still stops at the door of ACPO and their actions.
It is quite clear from what they said in October that the document they issued was a decision taken ... little or no suggestion that this was a consultation exercise, no words like 'we are looking into...' reducing the helicopters to.... basing them at...... this was all 'we will' even where it is clear that it is impossible without the agreement of others.
It is clear that all these decisions [by a wealthy publicly funded and yet tiny group of senior officers and their hangers on] were arrived at without consultation with groups that are effectively business partners - the air ambulance charities and the Police Authorities included - let alone those bodies they stated they were going to foist their air bases on [the RAF and Southend Airport for just two].
If the Police Federation [or one of its members] had done such a thing they would be justly up in arms.
It is quite clear from what they said in October that the document they issued was a decision taken ... little or no suggestion that this was a consultation exercise, no words like 'we are looking into...' reducing the helicopters to.... basing them at...... this was all 'we will' even where it is clear that it is impossible without the agreement of others.
It is clear that all these decisions [by a wealthy publicly funded and yet tiny group of senior officers and their hangers on] were arrived at without consultation with groups that are effectively business partners - the air ambulance charities and the Police Authorities included - let alone those bodies they stated they were going to foist their air bases on [the RAF and Southend Airport for just two].
If the Police Federation [or one of its members] had done such a thing they would be justly up in arms.
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latest contracts due to start 1st April
Any news on who has been given the latest NPIA pilotage contacts?
Usually firms who have been succesfull are notified around this time for the start date 1st April 2011.
Its been very quiet this year down at Stav?
Usually firms who have been succesfull are notified around this time for the start date 1st April 2011.
Its been very quiet this year down at Stav?