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Been at work so I didnt catch up on this till this morning...So its been officially scrapped...WHAT A SURPRISE..
I think we should create an award for a big failure and lack of heart and the winner is...........
I think it is common knowledge having heard the whispers that Barry wasnt up for it before going back to India...
So this has ended in a farce and Barry will no doubt get flack all round he should quickly apply to the Co-oP as I am sure they will have a vacancy for a milk man , then he will have all the "bottle" he needs..
SS you did a grand job supporting with humour and decent crtical comments on this thread, however isnt it amusing that the hand that feeds gets bitten
Barry you did some sterling stuff to get as far as you did, sadly it all went tits up due to whatever reason, you were more than happy for the aclaim, failure is not a fault but if you lost heart then join the Paula club and be prepared to take the flak......
Just be careful you dont paint your self into a corner
I guss we can havea Global Eagle reunion in the coming years what can we call it?
I'll have a look in this book for some ideas
I am working on a new version of a round the world trip...just got a few minor problems to sort out but I am hopeful to get it going next year, I may ask Barry and his crew to help out with the planning
I think we should create an award for a big failure and lack of heart and the winner is...........
I think it is common knowledge having heard the whispers that Barry wasnt up for it before going back to India...
So this has ended in a farce and Barry will no doubt get flack all round he should quickly apply to the Co-oP as I am sure they will have a vacancy for a milk man , then he will have all the "bottle" he needs..
SS you did a grand job supporting with humour and decent crtical comments on this thread, however isnt it amusing that the hand that feeds gets bitten
Barry you did some sterling stuff to get as far as you did, sadly it all went tits up due to whatever reason, you were more than happy for the aclaim, failure is not a fault but if you lost heart then join the Paula club and be prepared to take the flak......
Just be careful you dont paint your self into a corner
I guss we can havea Global Eagle reunion in the coming years what can we call it?
I'll have a look in this book for some ideas
I am working on a new version of a round the world trip...just got a few minor problems to sort out but I am hopeful to get it going next year, I may ask Barry and his crew to help out with the planning
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Posted on the GE Website yesterday.
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" It is with great regret that we have to inform all of our supporters that Expedition Global Eagle has come to an end.
As many of you will already have read or heard the aircraft was subject to flood damage whilst in India, this damage is not catastrophic and could be fixed, time would be against the team to complete any further journey so it was decided to end the expedition now, with an option to maybe resurrect the World Trip at a later date.
The official statement will be available shortly containing full details."
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Is the above an unofficial statement then ?
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" It is with great regret that we have to inform all of our supporters that Expedition Global Eagle has come to an end.
As many of you will already have read or heard the aircraft was subject to flood damage whilst in India, this damage is not catastrophic and could be fixed, time would be against the team to complete any further journey so it was decided to end the expedition now, with an option to maybe resurrect the World Trip at a later date.
The official statement will be available shortly containing full details."
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Is the above an unofficial statement then ?
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Perhaps someone has got into the system again! 
Any way,
As it's unofficially over, time to post the autogyro crash vids.
Ken Wallis in Belfast suffering some form of engine failure.
Amazingly, straight away, he gets up and waves to the camera uninjured.
A choice of 3 to choose from, all from the same programme.
1. The main part of the vid, no sound 1315 kb
2. The whole vid with sound 4933 kb
3. The final part of vid with sound 246 kb (My favourite)
(If you choose a vid with sound, please make sure your volume is turned down. Sorry, I haven't quite got the hang of the software yet.)
Any way,
As it's unofficially over, time to post the autogyro crash vids.
Ken Wallis in Belfast suffering some form of engine failure.
Amazingly, straight away, he gets up and waves to the camera uninjured.
A choice of 3 to choose from, all from the same programme.
1. The main part of the vid, no sound 1315 kb
2. The whole vid with sound 4933 kb
3. The final part of vid with sound 246 kb (My favourite)
(If you choose a vid with sound, please make sure your volume is turned down. Sorry, I haven't quite got the hang of the software yet.)
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A lot of us supported, even though we knew your nick name. We were hoping you wouldn't live up to it..... BUT you have !!!!
We cannot help a man who has no gumption about him, who thinks through his pants, how many have we got on the go??? Isn't that the real reason why we went back to India?
Some may disagree but those working behind the scene's in GE worked hard to get this off the ground, I feel sorry for them, they must be feeling very disheartened.
Mouthing off at us (as usual) doesn't make your excuses sound convincing. Crying wolf comes to mind !!!!
Take a good long hard look at yourself, if you need help... ask for it (but you may have burnt your bridges to get it from "friends"). Be honest, stop hiding behind a girl, getting her to do your dirty work for you and announce you no longer have the balls (!!!!) to carry on.
GE ground crew: You were working with a person who has grandeur ideas but was and is never capable of carrying them out, it was bound for failure early on. That doesn't mean you didn't work hard to MAKE it work and I think you should be proud of yourselves and your achievements. I hope you have learnt and gained new skills from the experience.
Those with the power that be: I appreciate the initial ideas came from Barry, but the object was to get the first Gyro around the world/to Austrailia. After all the time, effort, money, support that has been put into this there is only one question that can be asked......
WHY IS SOMEONE ELSE NOT FINISHING OFF THE JOB BARRY IS INCAPABLE OF DOING ??
There would be far less egg on the faces of those supporters, sponsers and the Army if someone did. And the team wouldn't feel like they had worked towards nothing (or is that the Army way?).
One day I hope a Gyro gets around the world... As for who does it....................
We cannot help a man who has no gumption about him, who thinks through his pants, how many have we got on the go??? Isn't that the real reason why we went back to India?
Some may disagree but those working behind the scene's in GE worked hard to get this off the ground, I feel sorry for them, they must be feeling very disheartened.
Mouthing off at us (as usual) doesn't make your excuses sound convincing. Crying wolf comes to mind !!!!
Take a good long hard look at yourself, if you need help... ask for it (but you may have burnt your bridges to get it from "friends"). Be honest, stop hiding behind a girl, getting her to do your dirty work for you and announce you no longer have the balls (!!!!) to carry on.
GE ground crew: You were working with a person who has grandeur ideas but was and is never capable of carrying them out, it was bound for failure early on. That doesn't mean you didn't work hard to MAKE it work and I think you should be proud of yourselves and your achievements. I hope you have learnt and gained new skills from the experience.
Those with the power that be: I appreciate the initial ideas came from Barry, but the object was to get the first Gyro around the world/to Austrailia. After all the time, effort, money, support that has been put into this there is only one question that can be asked......
WHY IS SOMEONE ELSE NOT FINISHING OFF THE JOB BARRY IS INCAPABLE OF DOING ??
There would be far less egg on the faces of those supporters, sponsers and the Army if someone did. And the team wouldn't feel like they had worked towards nothing (or is that the Army way?).
One day I hope a Gyro gets around the world... As for who does it....................
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Wow 
Clearly Gobbie knows a little inside info not yet in the public domain. (ok I suppose it is now!)
Is this really the case? Would someone be able to complete it, obviously allowing for the weather implications?
Like I said earlier, just delay until you can fly through Greenland/Canada. Just do the trip!
Is anyone else on the team rated to fly the a/c or indeed the replacement if one is actually required?
If not, I'm sure there must be someone in the wings keeping the fat lady company!
As sure as eggs is eggs, if Barry did go round the world the buzz word would be TEAMWORK. (then again, maybe not after what g's post says!)
If it's a teamwork thing then it doesn't have to be Barry that flies it all the way....does it?
As gobbie says, "One day I hope a Gyro gets around the world... As for who does it...................."
But for the Pride of the Countrys sake;
Let them not be A m e r i c a n !
Clearly Gobbie knows a little inside info not yet in the public domain. (ok I suppose it is now!)Is this really the case? Would someone be able to complete it, obviously allowing for the weather implications?
Like I said earlier, just delay until you can fly through Greenland/Canada. Just do the trip!
Is anyone else on the team rated to fly the a/c or indeed the replacement if one is actually required?
If not, I'm sure there must be someone in the wings keeping the fat lady company!
As sure as eggs is eggs, if Barry did go round the world the buzz word would be TEAMWORK. (then again, maybe not after what g's post says!)
If it's a teamwork thing then it doesn't have to be Barry that flies it all the way....does it?
As gobbie says, "One day I hope a Gyro gets around the world... As for who does it...................."
But for the Pride of the Countrys sake;
Let them not be A m e r i c a n !
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Bloody Hell !!
So far on this thread we have had:
Excitement;
Anticipation;
Expectation;
Entertainment;
and now enter Gobbie with " INTRIGUE "
It just gets better and better.
Wish I was a fly on the wall in GE Ops.
So far on this thread we have had:
Excitement;
Anticipation;
Expectation;
Entertainment;
and now enter Gobbie with " INTRIGUE "
It just gets better and better.
Wish I was a fly on the wall in GE Ops.
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Boys Boys Boys!
You have all forgotten the most basic details here - now Barry is a total failure - he will be sure to achieve a commision in the AAC
Well done Barry for thinking of the latest most novel idea of getting yourself noticed (in a negative way), the AAC board will take you in a shot - arise Maj Barry! you will go far (in the AAC)!!!
You have all forgotten the most basic details here - now Barry is a total failure - he will be sure to achieve a commision in the AAC
Well done Barry for thinking of the latest most novel idea of getting yourself noticed (in a negative way), the AAC board will take you in a shot - arise Maj Barry! you will go far (in the AAC)!!!
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From page 14....
Autorot8
posted 9th July 2004 08:42
"BETTER STILL - GO ON THE GLOBAL EAGLE (.CO.UK) SITE AND GET THE TRUTH."
There seems to be a lot of $hite floating about at the moment. Is it possible to get a statement from the GE team as to the extent of the damage and whether the a/c is recoverable at all. I know it has been said that the attempt is over, but...............!
Have magni been contacted or indeed been in touch to perhaps give some expert advice on any repairs necessary? Perhaps as they are a major sponsor in this, they might want to help their product through this problem?
If there is going to be another attempt, is there a timeline at all, or was this 'the' British attempt?
Before this all gets out of hand, (I am aware this is a rumour network , but there is a lot of it flying about ), is anyone prepared to make the unofficial statement? You know, the one containing the truth!
p.s. Where is Barry?
I would like to draw your attention to this webpage. In particular the guy flying round the world in a microlight. (open cockpit!)
It seems everyone is at it!
posted 9th July 2004 08:42
"BETTER STILL - GO ON THE GLOBAL EAGLE (.CO.UK) SITE AND GET THE TRUTH."
There seems to be a lot of $hite floating about at the moment. Is it possible to get a statement from the GE team as to the extent of the damage and whether the a/c is recoverable at all. I know it has been said that the attempt is over, but...............!
Have magni been contacted or indeed been in touch to perhaps give some expert advice on any repairs necessary? Perhaps as they are a major sponsor in this, they might want to help their product through this problem?
If there is going to be another attempt, is there a timeline at all, or was this 'the' British attempt?
Before this all gets out of hand, (I am aware this is a rumour network , but there is a lot of it flying about ), is anyone prepared to make the unofficial statement? You know, the one containing the truth!
p.s. Where is Barry?
I would like to draw your attention to this webpage. In particular the guy flying round the world in a microlight. (open cockpit!)
It seems everyone is at it!
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I wonder if the intrepid flyer Barry has been taking advice from Homer ??
Bart, just remember son, if you don't suckseed first time, give up!
The rumours continue to fly...unlike Barry! so where is the intrepid navigator?? he has gone very quiet....How about some updates from his back room staff, it would be nice to know what they think is happening and why??
This fiasco is being kept very quiet...are there some big reputations at stake?
The truth will come out I am sure
Bart, just remember son, if you don't suckseed first time, give up!
The rumours continue to fly...unlike Barry! so where is the intrepid navigator?? he has gone very quiet....How about some updates from his back room staff, it would be nice to know what they think is happening and why??
This fiasco is being kept very quiet...are there some big reputations at stake?
The truth will come out I am sure
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As i am sure you are all aware the extraction of pilot and aircraft is well underway and both will be soon back home safe to Yorkshire. It may be hard to belive somtimes but i guess that until proved otherwise we have to belive what we are told. If a pilot tells you somthing, however ridiclulous of far fetched it seems, in the absense of the truth, you have to belive him. If he says he did somthing or somthing happened then that has to be treated as the true statment of events until proved otherwise or ratified by other factors. We should not let this stray from our minds and remember the old saying"it will all come out in the wash". I have lost count of the amount of time i have had stories of great mechanical and electrical problems with aircraft that prevent it from night or weekend flying, only to find that they have sorted themselves by the next day and all is well again. Nobody is qualified to make a snap diagnois of human or engineering factors in the absense of ALL of the relevant information, however tempting it seems at the time and how right or wrong they feel they are.
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Sparks and Stuff I see where your coming from ... yep agreed its best to wait for the truth to come out, however I think that there is enough circumstantial evidence.
I think that anybody reading between the lines ..and lets face it there is a lot to read ...have already got the opinion of what went wrong and why.. However in true British Tradition.. if it looks like the $hit that hits the fan is going to muck up some shining buttons then it will be brushed under the carpet as usual!
You know the saying $hit rolls down but never up
Be interesting tho....
CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE - Circumstantial evidence is best explained by saying what it is not - it is not direct evidence from a witness who saw or heard something. Circumstantial evidence is a fact that can be used to infer another fact.
You know the saying $hit rolls down but never up
Be interesting tho....
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As i am sure you are all aware the extraction of pilot and aircraft is well underway and both will be soon back home safe to Yorkshire.
The GE website has had no news for a week now, despite the great words of "The official statement will be available shortly containing full details."
Also, all PMs from Barry have come to an abrupt halt.
I guess the Fat Lady is on her encore, and Barry wants to avoid any curtain calls at the moment.
I can't wait for the official statements and better still the unofficial inspections of the a/c on its return to Dishcloth. Perhaps they will be a little enlightening, but then again if not open to scrutiny, then any outcome is possible.
Now that we have passed through the 20,000 views barrier, I would like to thank you all for taking the time to join us.
Whether you have agreed with what was said , whether or not you have contributed, whichever side of the fence you have made your stand on, I hope it has been entertaining. After all, that and keeping GE in the 'public eye' was the aim of this thread.
I'm surprised that it has only managed a 3 star rating!
It's not all over just yet and once we get to the truth, there are sure to be a couple more pages in the great GE story.
It's better to have burnt out than fade away!
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Inspection
As SS has eluded to in his last post, there will be a full inspection of the aircraft on its return to Dishforth. Whilst this will not be a forensic examination to prove any points, it will be thorough and complete. As you are no doubt aware many people and companies supported this expedition and they also have a right, as do our sponsorers, to know conclusivley what went wrong. If it was a product they supplied then perhaps some good enviromental resistance data can be gathered fron it post its exposure to whatever enviroment it experienced. As a relativley experienced engineer i will be able to assess the exact causes and levels of corrosion on all the equipment and airframe, having several years experience working in a very similar high humidity/heat enviroment in the far east and have seen first hand exactly what that does to equipment. The inspection will be totaly unbiased and will be available for external audit. As for the web site,well, can you blame them? watching a dream that has been worked on for years come to such a sad end-would you care about the web site?.
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so many questions,so little answers!
Just before everybody descends into a well of self pity, how about some answers?
1. Why not stop at Delhi? you knew weather was going to be crap so why not stop at easy to get to major transport hub, easier maint,accom,supplies and transport?
2. Why no back up pilot? knownig the size of the aac suley they could do a trawl and find a pilot to finish the job?
3. Why wait so late to start work on aeroplane? should the work not of been started earlier so that ready to fly at end of monsoon rather than waiting for it to finish and then start work?
4. Has manufacturer been sked for help? surley they have plenty of spare parts, cheaper to go on than to quit
5. When we going to be told the truth? got a gut feeling that what you telling the news aint stricktly true-going to do some digging and see what i find, can you imagine the scandal when joe public finds out he being lied to by mod again-could call it dishgate!
6. What exactly you been doing since you came back three months ago? dont look like anybody on the team has done very much at all other than a few airshows(must be knackered!)
Time to start talking and end the speculation,tel the truth or make your lies beliveable this time
1. Why not stop at Delhi? you knew weather was going to be crap so why not stop at easy to get to major transport hub, easier maint,accom,supplies and transport?
2. Why no back up pilot? knownig the size of the aac suley they could do a trawl and find a pilot to finish the job?
3. Why wait so late to start work on aeroplane? should the work not of been started earlier so that ready to fly at end of monsoon rather than waiting for it to finish and then start work?
4. Has manufacturer been sked for help? surley they have plenty of spare parts, cheaper to go on than to quit
5. When we going to be told the truth? got a gut feeling that what you telling the news aint stricktly true-going to do some digging and see what i find, can you imagine the scandal when joe public finds out he being lied to by mod again-could call it dishgate!
6. What exactly you been doing since you came back three months ago? dont look like anybody on the team has done very much at all other than a few airshows(must be knackered!)
Time to start talking and end the speculation,tel the truth or make your lies beliveable this time
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The official statement is now on the GE website. I think it should be left to Sid to post it and decide the way forward or otherwise for the thread.
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Thanks Echo,
I'm sure everyone knows where to go to look at the statement so I won't cut/paste, it looks to me as if the Global Eagle websites official press statement is just that, with no personal touch that I thought may have been present on the 'Expeditions dedicated website'.
"Army Pilot forced to end historic autogyro trip"
Army Air Corps pilot Warrant Officer Barry Jones ........etc.
I think we know who/what he is, it does seem a strange type of post on the GE website
Missing Lynx brings up the questions again, and I'm sure these will be looked at with a lot of sceptisism.
£10,000 for repairs, to be able to say your company made the first autogyro to fly around the world!
A topic I think that has certainly done the rounds a few times in the boardroom I'm sure. (OK, maybe the manufacturers shouldn't cover the whole cost, maybe the sponsors as a whole should have been approached, but can you see how I'm looking at this?)
I'm sure there will be the usual brush up, and it will be interesting to see how much it cost to fly one of the most economical flying machines to India.
"Total GE distance travelled, from website, = 10.480 km = 5659.2 Nm = 6511.31 St"
My car (Diesel) does 60 mpg. To travel the same distance would take 108.5 gallons = 488.25 litres @ 85p/litre = £415.01
It just got me thinking
I'm sure everyone knows where to go to look at the statement so I won't cut/paste, it looks to me as if the Global Eagle websites official press statement is just that, with no personal touch that I thought may have been present on the 'Expeditions dedicated website'.
"Army Pilot forced to end historic autogyro trip"
Army Air Corps pilot Warrant Officer Barry Jones ........etc.
I think we know who/what he is, it does seem a strange type of post on the GE website
Missing Lynx brings up the questions again, and I'm sure these will be looked at with a lot of sceptisism.
£10,000 for repairs, to be able to say your company made the first autogyro to fly around the world!
A topic I think that has certainly done the rounds a few times in the boardroom I'm sure. (OK, maybe the manufacturers shouldn't cover the whole cost, maybe the sponsors as a whole should have been approached, but can you see how I'm looking at this?)
I'm sure there will be the usual brush up, and it will be interesting to see how much it cost to fly one of the most economical flying machines to India.
"Total GE distance travelled, from website, = 10.480 km = 5659.2 Nm = 6511.31 St"
My car (Diesel) does 60 mpg. To travel the same distance would take 108.5 gallons = 488.25 litres @ 85p/litre = £415.01
It just got me thinking
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I'd just like to reiterate my previous comments and also add:
What a pile of steaming stuff the GE statement is. The day Barry tells the truth is the day we all drop down dead. It's just a shame the rest of the team have to cover, yet again, for him. They do have their jobs to think about though. I know it must be a bitter pill to swallow for them.
In answer to previous questions asked :
1). Didn't stop at Delhi - probably to escape woman he was seeing.
2). Other pilots available, of course there is!!!! It's just GE is Barry's "Baby".............
3). Has any of you considered that no preperation was done by Barry becasue he had no intention to continue ???
4). Magni are willing to assist, if only asked......
5). Truth.... Your asking a lot to get the truth from Barry, although I'm sure he truly believes he speaks the truth !!!
6). What's he been doing while he's been back..... Can't help you
there, don't think even the team could.... Maybe ask his fiance, she probably knows.....
But it must have taken a lot of thought to find reasons not to continue.
I await, like the rest, for the report to come out on the aircraft. BUT I feel we will never be told the exact truth, well not by Barry and not while the other team members are in the Army !!!!
What a pile of steaming stuff the GE statement is. The day Barry tells the truth is the day we all drop down dead. It's just a shame the rest of the team have to cover, yet again, for him. They do have their jobs to think about though. I know it must be a bitter pill to swallow for them.
In answer to previous questions asked :
1). Didn't stop at Delhi - probably to escape woman he was seeing.
2). Other pilots available, of course there is!!!! It's just GE is Barry's "Baby".............
3). Has any of you considered that no preperation was done by Barry becasue he had no intention to continue ???
4). Magni are willing to assist, if only asked......
5). Truth.... Your asking a lot to get the truth from Barry, although I'm sure he truly believes he speaks the truth !!!
6). What's he been doing while he's been back..... Can't help you
there, don't think even the team could.... Maybe ask his fiance, she probably knows.....
But it must have taken a lot of thought to find reasons not to continue.
I await, like the rest, for the report to come out on the aircraft. BUT I feel we will never be told the exact truth, well not by Barry and not while the other team members are in the Army !!!!
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I have read the comments made here and feel that it is pertinent to put a few points straight. The figure for the estimated repair bill was decided by the pilot himself and was reached without any engineering input or recomendation from Magni Gyro. How this figure was calculated is anybodys guess. Magni Gyro has given this expedition full and complete support and has neither asked for or been given a single penny in return. Full support was and still is available-any parts required to enable a full return to flight refurb of the gyro are available, much the same as they were when it visited the factory and had a 100% strip,assesment,repair and refurb right at the staer of the trip. This was carried out by Magni Gyro staff, working round the clock, at no expense to the expedition. On the electrical and avionic equipment-replacements are there ready to be fitted. It is very hard as an aircraft company to hear that one of your products is stopping what is such a fantastic trip and do nothing about it. Once again this, emphaticaly, is not the case. Magni Gyro is prepared to do whatever it takes to ensure the sucessfull completion of the expedition.
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This is getting good!
Can anybody else smell somthing?smells like bulls**t to me! think sombody telling porkies! so if the people in Italy want to fix your machine for free then why not let them.cant belive you would rather not let them and pay for it yourself-could it be you dont want it fixed and that it is a bit of a deception to cover up the truth?if you are telling us the aircraft is damaged as an excuse then,well,i think that you have managed to slump down lower than ever,blaming sonthing else for your own shortcomings-post the pics,we know you got the cameras and stuff.this aint going to just go away if you ignore it,face it looser