The never-ending 'Modular vs. Integrated' debate - merged ad nauseam
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from the research I have done I have also found that for becoming a commerical airline pilot then interated is (like oxford prodigy has said) the better path in terms of securing employment.
I could go down the moduler route but am going to (and am) saving like hell to eventually go to oxford and complete my APP integrated style.
Feel it is more of an investment in myself than anything and want to give myself the best chance of employment when my training finishes.
I could go down the moduler route but am going to (and am) saving like hell to eventually go to oxford and complete my APP integrated style.
Feel it is more of an investment in myself than anything and want to give myself the best chance of employment when my training finishes.
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I love the fact you are doing so well you feel the need to linger in a wannabes forum, attempting to cause waves amongst students in exactly the same place as you once were!
But then you're probably poncing around in knobby wine bar somewhere, needless to say you'd be on the moet (or some other cheap garbage), telling underage girls how great the view is form your prefab batch pad, all the while bombarding them with anecdotes of your various achievements.
Nice touch mate, best of luck with it.
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Rossco
Modular, skint, and proud as ****
But then you're probably poncing around in knobby wine bar somewhere, needless to say you'd be on the moet (or some other cheap garbage), telling underage girls how great the view is form your prefab batch pad, all the while bombarding them with anecdotes of your various achievements.
Nice touch mate, best of luck with it.
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Rossco
Modular, skint, and proud as ****
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I considered going integrated, before I started modular. The modular route provides a lot more variety & a broader base of knowledge compared to the integrated route. It is also cheaper.
To expand on that - where in the integrated course provided by OAT for example would I get to fly taildraggers, visit farmstrips, do aerobatics...all of which I have done on my modular route. Yes those items are not essential to getting a shiny jet job....but they will certainly add to your aviation knowledge, and are defintely a lot of fun too!
This is not to say that integrated courses are less worthwhile than modular - but rather horses for courses. Me I'd rather do the modular, get some extra skills, broaden my horizons (I'd bet the joy of Super Cub flying isn't part of OP's experiences).
Oxford P - So nice of you to condesend, unbidden and unwanted, to give us the benefit of your knowledge. I think you will find this subject IS up for debate, and as an aside, I would also hotly contest your opinion of the Skyvan.
I'm also 100% certain that there are modular students out there who will in fact get their CVs through the door. I'm also very skeptical that Integrated IR students have tougher examiners for their IRs. Care to present any evidence for these two statements?
Are you seriously trying to tell us that NO modular students ever get "proper jobs" and that there are different standards for the IR, based on whether or not you went to OAT?
Or are do you not have the strength of your arrogant, ill-founded and quite frankly idiotic convictions?
To expand on that - where in the integrated course provided by OAT for example would I get to fly taildraggers, visit farmstrips, do aerobatics...all of which I have done on my modular route. Yes those items are not essential to getting a shiny jet job....but they will certainly add to your aviation knowledge, and are defintely a lot of fun too!
This is not to say that integrated courses are less worthwhile than modular - but rather horses for courses. Me I'd rather do the modular, get some extra skills, broaden my horizons (I'd bet the joy of Super Cub flying isn't part of OP's experiences).
Oxford P - So nice of you to condesend, unbidden and unwanted, to give us the benefit of your knowledge. I think you will find this subject IS up for debate, and as an aside, I would also hotly contest your opinion of the Skyvan.
I'm also 100% certain that there are modular students out there who will in fact get their CVs through the door. I'm also very skeptical that Integrated IR students have tougher examiners for their IRs. Care to present any evidence for these two statements?
Are you seriously trying to tell us that NO modular students ever get "proper jobs" and that there are different standards for the IR, based on whether or not you went to OAT?
Or are do you not have the strength of your arrogant, ill-founded and quite frankly idiotic convictions?
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Prodigy, not only did Oxford bullsh1t you in paying all your mummy & daddys money into there ever expanding bank account (probably by saying they are the only FTO who will get u a job) but they also seemed to have brain washed you into becoming a walking advertisement for them. Get into real life and realise theres plenty of us modular folk who cannot afford the course both financially and as we have family commitments and also that we are not impressionable morons and we have a brain of our own...
Rant over till your next crappy post
Rant over till your next crappy post
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Oxford prodigy - you are a knob
i think it's time to let people know the harsh realities of the aviation world.
BTW - I went modular, now flying for a full service carrier & didn't pay a penny for my rating.
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Integrated is better.... hmmm....
Like Oxford Prodigy I too went through the integrated route at Oxford (am only on this thread at all as I have just had a massive row with the wife and am hiding out in the office...;-)
It does seem, from anecdotal stories I hear, that integrated guys are getting onto jets more quickly than modular students. Of all the people in my integrated class (12) only one is not working for a UK airline. Of the modular people I knew a couple are flying jets and some are working as dispatchers even after 2 years finishing.
But I don't think it's logical to suppose from this fact - even if the anecdotal stories I hear reflect a wider trend (which they may not) - that an integrated student is better than the modular guy. It's just that the airlines - for whatever reason - seem to prefer integrated guys.
I hate it and I bought into it and have an airline job which is what I wanted. Lucky old me.
It does seem, from anecdotal stories I hear, that integrated guys are getting onto jets more quickly than modular students. Of all the people in my integrated class (12) only one is not working for a UK airline. Of the modular people I knew a couple are flying jets and some are working as dispatchers even after 2 years finishing.
But I don't think it's logical to suppose from this fact - even if the anecdotal stories I hear reflect a wider trend (which they may not) - that an integrated student is better than the modular guy. It's just that the airlines - for whatever reason - seem to prefer integrated guys.
I hate it and I bought into it and have an airline job which is what I wanted. Lucky old me.
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flyboy1818 "If you want to find the best flying schools then you will have to look at the RAF. The way that they train there Pilots goes above and beyond anything that a civilian flight school would ever do. So sorry you are not the best 250 hour pilot in the country, the guys and girls at Valley are!"
I am a graduate of Valley and im very impressed with your comment flyboy. The standards there are insane.Whats the Cpl test ATA on the cross country? Two mins? Try +- 5 seconds for TOT in the hawk. Gets less when you start doing split saps too!
I am a graduate of Valley and im very impressed with your comment flyboy. The standards there are insane.Whats the Cpl test ATA on the cross country? Two mins? Try +- 5 seconds for TOT in the hawk. Gets less when you start doing split saps too!
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[BANTER]+/- 5 seconds! 
You Group 1 guys had it easy...for the VJ Day 50th Anniv mass helicopter flypast we had to hit Tower Bridge +/- 1 second in the mighty Wessex 
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What is this with the young'uns and jets? If I was hiring (and I'm not - no cvs please!), which fATPL do you think would look more favourable? A 250 hr Oxford Prodigy or one who had come up the hard way - modular then FI then a good solid 2 years or so on a SAAB340 / Jetstream41 / Do328.
Conicidentally was chatting this a.m. to my old BPA jump pilot examiner - he had a whole bunch of 250hr fATPL guys trying to qualify as jump pilot. 70% failed.
Damn. Was meaning to ignore the prat and have now fed the flames.
You Group 1 guys had it easy...for the VJ Day 50th Anniv mass helicopter flypast we had to hit Tower Bridge +/- 1 second in the mighty Wessex [/BANTER]
...I hear, that integrated guys are getting onto jets more quickly than modular students. Of all...
Conicidentally was chatting this a.m. to my old BPA jump pilot examiner - he had a whole bunch of 250hr fATPL guys trying to qualify as jump pilot. 70% failed.
Damn. Was meaning to ignore the prat and have now fed the flames.
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I'm still really surprised by a lot of people here. Obviously this guy is trolling and just trying to piss people off. Why do you let him? Why post that he a typical integrated spoilt brat who obviously because of being integrated is a muppet. I don't mean any offence to anyone but it really does seem that a lot of you guys just love to jump up and post that integrated students are a bunch of spoilt idiots at every chance you get!! Its always the same stuff, 'you must have no morals cos you've just wasted all of mummy and daddy's money' or 'CTC are the best at placing students and their modular so ner ner.' I mean come ON. Why bother? A lot of integrated students really DON'T have the money and have decided that it is the route that suits them best so have saved for years to be able to do it! Why does it bother you modular guys so much that people just WANT to do integrated? As for CTC being modular well ACTUALLY it is now an integrated school!!! So that kind of ruins that argument! Now I'm not saying integrated guys are perfect, far from it. but very rarely do you see an integrated student on pprune slagging off modular! (a part from this muppet anyway lol) It is very much usually the modular guys slating us for going integrated!
Why can't we all just get a long? We both chose to be pilots, we BOTH love aviation, we each chose which route suited us. BOTH routes have pro's and con's and yes arguably one isn't better then the other (although if you try hard enough you can make the argument that BOTH routes are best!)
So please guys, be bigger people then these trouble makers (from BOTH sides!) and just play nice. I mean we're going to have to share a flightdeck so why not start being nice right from the beginning!!!
Good luck to all in EITHER routes
Why can't we all just get a long? We both chose to be pilots, we BOTH love aviation, we each chose which route suited us. BOTH routes have pro's and con's and yes arguably one isn't better then the other (although if you try hard enough you can make the argument that BOTH routes are best!)
So please guys, be bigger people then these trouble makers (from BOTH sides!) and just play nice. I mean we're going to have to share a flightdeck so why not start being nice right from the beginning!!!
Good luck to all in EITHER routes
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we could argue integrated/modular till the poor cows come home. Yes we all want to be/are pilots and yes we should all be on the same side....
...I just have a big problem with low time newbie mummy boy pr1cks who, as a result of getting a job in an automated silver tube, think they now have an opinion!...
..Serve your time, EARN some respect, then tell all of us uneducated great unwashed poor people what you think...THEN we might listen!
...I just have a big problem with low time newbie mummy boy pr1cks who, as a result of getting a job in an automated silver tube, think they now have an opinion!...
..Serve your time, EARN some respect, then tell all of us uneducated great unwashed poor people what you think...THEN we might listen!
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[BANTER]+/- 5 seconds! You Group 1 guys had it easy...for the VJ Day 50th Anniv mass helicopter flypast we had to hit Tower Bridge +/- 1 second in the mighty Wessex [/BANTER]
and when FJ boys get on the front line they have a HUD that tells them how fast to fly to get TOT! Hats off to 1 sec TOT in a wessex. Dont worry i love rotory ask any of the 203 QHI's, i was a rotary boy stuck in an FJ. But thats in the past roll on civvy flying
You Group 1 guys had it easy...for the VJ Day 50th Anniv mass helicopter flypast we had to hit Tower Bridge +/- 1 second in the mighty Wessex [/BANTER]and when FJ boys get on the front line they have a HUD that tells them how fast to fly to get TOT! Hats off to 1 sec TOT in a wessex. Dont worry i love rotory ask any of the 203 QHI's, i was a rotary boy stuck in an FJ. But thats in the past
roll on civvy flying
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...I just have a big problem with low time newbie mummy boy pr1cks who, as a result of getting a job in an automated silver tube, think they now have an opinion!...
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Sure mate,
I went modular and I am flying the same aeroplane as you pretend to do!
Didn't pay for the TR and got a flying job within 3 months after my fATPL with a UK airline.
Now... I possibly have saved around 30-40k compared to what you had spent, and the same applies to dozen of friends of mine who went throught CTC and got a position in the airline industry.
If I were in you I would really keep my mouth shut, you spent an awful lot of money to get where most people land with a much healthier bank account.
So please, make yourself a favour ... think twice (or possibly even more) before you post anything!
Ricky
I went modular and I am flying the same aeroplane as you pretend to do!
Didn't pay for the TR and got a flying job within 3 months after my fATPL with a UK airline.
Now... I possibly have saved around 30-40k compared to what you had spent, and the same applies to dozen of friends of mine who went throught CTC and got a position in the airline industry.
If I were in you I would really keep my mouth shut, you spent an awful lot of money to get where most people land with a much healthier bank account.
So please, make yourself a favour ... think twice (or possibly even more) before you post anything!
Ricky
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