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Too much incidences
I found this in a Spanish web. Here you can found the opinion of spanish people about Aerofan, which might know more than you about that school.
http://www.pilotosdeiberia.com/foro/...pic.php?t=1563
They really have bad planes, and as I said there`s other schools, like Aerotec, Aeromadrid... Don`t play with your life. Just go and ask the tower about official incidences of this school, not rumours. Ask qualified people. They are going to tell you just what I said.
http://www.pilotosdeiberia.com/foro/...pic.php?t=1563
They really have bad planes, and as I said there`s other schools, like Aerotec, Aeromadrid... Don`t play with your life. Just go and ask the tower about official incidences of this school, not rumours. Ask qualified people. They are going to tell you just what I said.
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This guy is as mad as a wasp!!
When is he going to realise that he is just making himself look stupid. I think boys and girls you are clearly lookingt at a guy who was one of the few who actually failed at Aerofan, so rather than taking responsibility of his own failings and building on them, he tries to bad mouth the flight school and blame them for his poor flying skills and personal failings. Its a sad fact that i see this so many times here in Spain. There are so many that i see here that cant be bothered to study, mess about all year while mummy and daddy are spending a fortune putting them through flight school, and some of the results are shocking. Im not just talking fails but getting 10 and 20 percent in ATPL exams because they just cant be arsed, makes me think why they are here.
This is only a small minority of course, but as soon as they fail, the flight school is to blame, the aircraft are poor, the instructors are poor, the lecturers are bad, usually when you are blaming everything else, its time to look at yourself.
So, my friend maybe you are one of these countless students i see here at Aeromadrid and Aerofan ect.
you certainly seem hell bent on tarnishing their image, but unfortunately everybody else on here has had a positive experience of them, and the link you have sent in Spanish is full of rubbish!!Also stop calling yourself "John Cooper" or "David Fraser" for gods sake, people on here werent born yesterday and its pretty obvious you are Spanish.
If you cant be a man, Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get on with it, then at least stop posting threads on here that are full of crap!!.
Get on with it!!
Dammn , i said i wouldnt reply again but this guy is winding me up, sorry to everyone else for ranting on myself!
When is he going to realise that he is just making himself look stupid. I think boys and girls you are clearly lookingt at a guy who was one of the few who actually failed at Aerofan, so rather than taking responsibility of his own failings and building on them, he tries to bad mouth the flight school and blame them for his poor flying skills and personal failings. Its a sad fact that i see this so many times here in Spain. There are so many that i see here that cant be bothered to study, mess about all year while mummy and daddy are spending a fortune putting them through flight school, and some of the results are shocking. Im not just talking fails but getting 10 and 20 percent in ATPL exams because they just cant be arsed, makes me think why they are here.
This is only a small minority of course, but as soon as they fail, the flight school is to blame, the aircraft are poor, the instructors are poor, the lecturers are bad, usually when you are blaming everything else, its time to look at yourself.
So, my friend maybe you are one of these countless students i see here at Aeromadrid and Aerofan ect.
you certainly seem hell bent on tarnishing their image, but unfortunately everybody else on here has had a positive experience of them, and the link you have sent in Spanish is full of rubbish!!Also stop calling yourself "John Cooper" or "David Fraser" for gods sake, people on here werent born yesterday and its pretty obvious you are Spanish.
If you cant be a man, Pick yourself up, dust yourself off and get on with it, then at least stop posting threads on here that are full of crap!!.
Get on with it!!
Dammn , i said i wouldnt reply again but this guy is winding me up, sorry to everyone else for ranting on myself!
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yes he certainly ticks you off...... I would love to know who he is..... a competitor... pissed off student??....
A Mate of mine just did his me-ir at AEROFAN and according to him the planes are ok,while he was there nothing was wrong - do you really need all new diamond star planes? old gauges and different lay out...... who cares they all show almost the same, you might as well get used to things are never where they used to be when you get out in the GA jungle, there nothing is as its supposed to be, everyday something new happens.
Seriously failing in Spain hheheh then you must rethink your piloting future...
My personal experiences with AEROFAN are professinel and very "go-minded" 80% of the times where AEROMADRID cancelled my flights, AEROFAN flew with their students. James the english guy who takes care of things at aerofan showed me more professionalism and courtesy in one day than aeromadrid did in 3 months. Can only recommend them if you are going the spanish way, but then again go see for your self, what is 1 plane ticket when you are about to spend 6 grand on a meir.
A Mate of mine just did his me-ir at AEROFAN and according to him the planes are ok,while he was there nothing was wrong - do you really need all new diamond star planes? old gauges and different lay out...... who cares they all show almost the same, you might as well get used to things are never where they used to be when you get out in the GA jungle, there nothing is as its supposed to be, everyday something new happens.
Seriously failing in Spain hheheh then you must rethink your piloting future...
My personal experiences with AEROFAN are professinel and very "go-minded" 80% of the times where AEROMADRID cancelled my flights, AEROFAN flew with their students. James the english guy who takes care of things at aerofan showed me more professionalism and courtesy in one day than aeromadrid did in 3 months. Can only recommend them if you are going the spanish way, but then again go see for your self, what is 1 plane ticket when you are about to spend 6 grand on a meir.
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For those who don`t know how to translate
For Me-Uk, here you got a web where you can translate it into English, or whatever language you want http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr. There`s a hundred more webs like this where you can do it! You didn`t know how to translate it, really? Sorry, I thought the level was higher... 
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thanks for the link David Fraser, or are you really joaquigonzales!!??. Read all the threads that you so kindly provided to us in spanish, translated them to english , and it seems there is only one dissatisfied customer, his writing style seems very familiar, the rest of the replys on that thread are all happy spanish customers who couldnt praise the school enough!!.
What a plonker!!
What a plonker!!
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Hello guys,
In fact , Aerofan as a maintenance center in the airport, but why nobody says how many time it`s been closed by the airport authorities for severe irregularities?
In fact , Aerofan as a maintenance center in the airport, but why nobody says how many time it`s been closed by the airport authorities for severe irregularities?
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Ha Ha!!! This is starting to get..... how should one put it....pathetic? or just simply, fun?
Just for your infomation Mr.Fraser (and for anyone else who's interested), whilst I was in Madrid training, I noticed that Aerofan not only does their own maintenance but also provides maintenance to other FTOs in the area. I quite distinctly remember seeing other planes inside their hangers. I think I saw an Aerotec twin, and also a Flyline Warrior. So, to be honest I have no idea how many times their maintenance facility has been closed down by the airport authorities (is it the airport authorities that close down maintenance centres? I thought it was the local CAAs), but as having had experience working at a UK maintenance JAR-145 centre myself (one can usually tell if a JAR145 is professional or not), and having noticed that there are also other FTOs that trust their aircraft to that particular centre, I very much doubt that they have been closed down. At least not recently. But as I said, I really do not know. I can only report on what I've seen first hand.
So here we have it, once again, our friend Mr.Fraser, the chap with a grudge on his shoulder. Poor thing!!
And I can also say that I was very well looked after by two English chaps whilst I was over there. James, who looks after the training (very professional indeed), and Frank, a friendly chap who deals with housing and hotels. I have trained and flown at several different schools, and to be honest, this is the first FTO that made me feel like a customer.
Have a good day!
Just for your infomation Mr.Fraser (and for anyone else who's interested), whilst I was in Madrid training, I noticed that Aerofan not only does their own maintenance but also provides maintenance to other FTOs in the area. I quite distinctly remember seeing other planes inside their hangers. I think I saw an Aerotec twin, and also a Flyline Warrior. So, to be honest I have no idea how many times their maintenance facility has been closed down by the airport authorities (is it the airport authorities that close down maintenance centres? I thought it was the local CAAs), but as having had experience working at a UK maintenance JAR-145 centre myself (one can usually tell if a JAR145 is professional or not), and having noticed that there are also other FTOs that trust their aircraft to that particular centre, I very much doubt that they have been closed down. At least not recently. But as I said, I really do not know. I can only report on what I've seen first hand.
So here we have it, once again, our friend Mr.Fraser, the chap with a grudge on his shoulder. Poor thing!!
And I can also say that I was very well looked after by two English chaps whilst I was over there. James, who looks after the training (very professional indeed), and Frank, a friendly chap who deals with housing and hotels. I have trained and flown at several different schools, and to be honest, this is the first FTO that made me feel like a customer.
Have a good day!
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WARNING: AEROFAN, MADRID
AEROFAN, MADRID, SPAIN
Hello everybody, I`ve been to Spain, and I`ve seen Aerofan school and I don`t recommend this school to anybody. You just go and see their airplanes: very old and broken, nothing works inside, and they say they have native instructors, but this is a lie. You can see it by yourself. And there is an express order given to the instructor to talk twenty minutes on gound to waste the flight time, specially on multi-engine. So, do not pay anything before seeing the airplanes. If you go to Madird, go and see the airplanes before, and talk to the spanish pilots, you can always find a bunch of them in the airport area. Don`t believe everything you read, they can put "we are the best", they can put whatever they want. I`ve seen Aeromadrid and Aerotec, and they`ve got new airplanes, one or two years old. Go and have a look first, and believe what you see.
Hello everybody, I`ve been to Spain, and I`ve seen Aerofan school and I don`t recommend this school to anybody. You just go and see their airplanes: very old and broken, nothing works inside, and they say they have native instructors, but this is a lie. You can see it by yourself. And there is an express order given to the instructor to talk twenty minutes on gound to waste the flight time, specially on multi-engine. So, do not pay anything before seeing the airplanes. If you go to Madird, go and see the airplanes before, and talk to the spanish pilots, you can always find a bunch of them in the airport area. Don`t believe everything you read, they can put "we are the best", they can put whatever they want. I`ve seen Aeromadrid and Aerotec, and they`ve got new airplanes, one or two years old. Go and have a look first, and believe what you see.
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heheheeh
this thread should be ended because of the amount of bull thats in it.
By the way COOPER your indepth analysis of the age of aeromadrids planes is outright false!!! But there is only one correct thing: dont pay anybody anything for something you dont know that they can deliver in the manner agreed upon, especially in spain and anywhere else!
this thread should be ended because of the amount of bull thats in it.
By the way COOPER your indepth analysis of the age of aeromadrids planes is outright false!!!
But there is only one correct thing: dont pay anybody anything for something you dont know that they can deliver in the manner agreed upon, especially in spain and anywhere else!
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pipertommy: as far as I`m concern, Aerodynamics Malaga is fine, never heard anything bad about them, and the weather`s better there.
jar-dk: It`s my duty to inform everybody of what I know about Aerofan, even if you don`t like it. The airplanes ARE in bad conditions.
PEOPLE, INFORM YOURSELVES BEFORE PAYING ANYTHING!!!!
jar-dk: It`s my duty to inform everybody of what I know about Aerofan, even if you don`t like it. The airplanes ARE in bad conditions.
PEOPLE, INFORM YOURSELVES BEFORE PAYING ANYTHING!!!!
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David: u do what you have to do to b able to sleep at night! Not that I like it or do not like it - maybe if you were serious you should send a mail to the spanish caa and CC it to both the uk caa and JAA. all the airschools I have ben at there have always been minor problems with planes (even engine failures), yes this might come as a shock to some ... even on spanish planes, and price and quality are usually linked together, but the funny thing is that in our business its always the case when there is a bargain and strangely only sometimes when there is a high price on training or rental. Money makes this business go round.
And when you complain.... you almost never feel like a customer - the level of service at sainsburys is higher and politer when there is a cock up. Maybe im making a to general statement but im sure peope who have had prolems will agree. One should make a school called "wedont****studentsover.com"
So many serious allegations made on this site, but never with any serious evidence material.Maybe thats why its called rumour network!
And when you complain.... you almost never feel like a customer - the level of service at sainsburys is higher and politer when there is a cock up. Maybe im making a to general statement but im sure peope who have had prolems will agree. One should make a school called "wedont****studentsover.com"
So many serious allegations made on this site, but never with any serious evidence material.Maybe thats why its called rumour network!
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copy and paste....
David Fraser...John Cooper....someone mentioned earlier on that they were the same person. It looks like this is the case!!
Copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste..... it's pathetic.
Come on Scroggs, can't you just rub all this off. This chap is just a joke.
I don't know whether the guys at Aerofan in Madrid get to read this or not, but it's really quite insulting. I personally would be furious, taking into account that this chap talks rubbish.
Copy and paste, copy and paste, copy and paste..... it's pathetic.
Come on Scroggs, can't you just rub all this off. This chap is just a joke.
I don't know whether the guys at Aerofan in Madrid get to read this or not, but it's really quite insulting. I personally would be furious, taking into account that this chap talks rubbish.
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Originally Posted by john cooper
I`ve seen Aeromadrid and Aerotec, and they`ve got new airplanes, one or two years old. Go and have a look first, and believe what you see.
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DC-8: I`m sorry, you are right: Aeromadrid doesn`t have 2-years-old planes, although their planes are well maintained. It`s Aerea who has 2-years-old planes. Thanks for the correction.